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[bedwetter2]

I'm not even sure what your key point is...

are you saying we should leave the EU because it is massively fraudulent or economically incompetent? it is neither... it's just a verb large and complex organisation. What exactly ARE you suggesting with your whole not signed off (but actually are signed off) shizzle?

There's none so blind as will not see. It seems you have leapt to the conclusion that I believe the UK should leave the EU. I haven't said that.

How can you say that the EU is neither fraudulent or economically incompetent? You cannot know. I do recall there being several whistleblowers who alleged just such concerns about some EU departments. They were shut up and sacked if I remember correctly.

I'm sure you also are aware that the EU budget is approximately £130BN per year, less than 18% of that of the UK. It's not so big or complicated but they still manage to lose over £5BN per year.

What I was stating very clearly, but obviously not to you, is that there appears to be two audit standards; one for the rest of the world and, one lesser one especially for the EU.

Shizzle?? That's right grandad, get down with the kids. You're not Snoop Dog are you?

[thebish]

there appears to be two audit standards; one for the rest of the world and, one lesser one especially for the EU.

which "rest of the world" organisations equivalent to the EU are you thinking of that have a different audit standard?

[bedwetter2]

there appears to be two audit standards; one for the rest of the world and, one lesser one especially for the EU.

which "rest of the world" organisations equivalent to the EU are you thinking of that have a different audit standard?

Just concentrate on us losing the match.

[thebish]

there appears to be two audit standards; one for the rest of the world and, one lesser one especially for the EU.

which "rest of the world" organisations equivalent to the EU are you thinking of that have a different audit standard?

Just concentrate on us losing the match.

that'd be none then!

tedious ero-mock-debate > bwfc updates, every time!!!

[bedwetter2]

You're a bit hasty in thinking the debate is over.

This is exactly the point being made. There is no EU equivalent in the rest of the world. No country has to have its accounts independently audited. Therefore the EU is unique in that it and its members have devised its own system of financial probity and control which at the behest of the EU membership calls for a lesser standard.
Aside from individual independent nations all organisations, whether commercial, charitable or others must abide by the standard accountancy rules.

[thebish]

You're a bit hasty in thinking the debate is over.

This is exactly the point being made. There is no EU equivalent in the rest of the world. No country has to have its accounts independently audited. Therefore the EU is unique in that it and its members have devised its own system of financial probity and control which at the behest of the EU membership calls for a lesser standard.
Aside from individual independent nations all organisations, whether commercial, charitable or others must abide by the standard accountancy rules.

not sure the EU is unique - there are other trading blocs - but they all differ slightly, so I guess you could get away with that... but if it is - then it's odd to compare it to stuff that it simply is not the same as...

(there are different standards for UK charities - depending on their size, they are audited differently...)

[Hoboh]

You're a bit hasty in thinking the debate is over.

This is exactly the point being made. There is no EU equivalent in the rest of the world. No country has to have its accounts independently audited. Therefore the EU is unique in that it and its members have devised its own system of financial probity and control which at the behest of the EU membership calls for a lesser standard.
Aside from individual independent nations all organisations, whether commercial, charitable or others must abide by the standard accountancy rules.

not sure the EU is unique - there are other trading blocs - but they all differ slightly, so I guess you could get away with that... but if it is - then it's odd to compare it to stuff that it simply is not the same as...

(there are different standards for UK charities - depending on their size, they are audited differently...)

Aye, kiddy co or whatever batwoman's was called.

[bedwetter2]

You're a bit hasty in thinking the debate is over.

This is exactly the point being made. There is no EU equivalent in the rest of the world. No country has to have its accounts independently audited. Therefore the EU is unique in that it and its members have devised its own system of financial probity and control which at the behest of the EU membership calls for a lesser standard.
Aside from individual independent nations all organisations, whether commercial, charitable or others must abide by the standard accountancy rules.

not sure the EU is unique - there are other trading blocs - but they all differ slightly, so I guess you could get away with that... but if it is - then it's odd to compare it to stuff that it simply is not the same as...

(there are different standards for UK charities - depending on their size, they are audited differently...)

I thought the EU (clue's in the name) thinks of itself, if an organisation can think, as rather more than a trading block. ASEAN and that north American one are trading blocks but don't profess to be a political or economic union. So it is unique in my eyes as the only union of nations in the world which has it's own audit systems, pathetic though they may be.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

^ I'm lost! Is this unique, but shit, audit system, which both has and has not (depending on one's point of view) upheld the finances of the EU, a positive or a negative influence?
As a fence sitter is this pushing me in or out...

[thebish]

^ I'm lost! Is this unique, but shit, audit system, which both has and has not (depending on one's point of view) upheld the finances of the EU, a positive or a negative influence?
As a fence sitter is this pushing me in or out...

neither - it's a bit of a non-argument...

[bedwetter2]

^ I'm lost! Is this unique, but shit, audit system, which both has and has not (depending on one's point of view) upheld the finances of the EU, a positive or a negative influence?
As a fence sitter is this pushing me in or out...

The fence sitting to which you refer is indeed uncomfortable and I believe it may be your piles which are pushing out....

[Worthy4England]

^^ That"d be the EU Pile Mountain.

[Prufrock]

Excellent Bish. Balancing of the books comes about as a result of additional end of year demands to net contributors, after the budgets have been exceeded.

Please name the independent auditors used by the EU and whether they may have close relationships to any EU Treasury employees. Don't bother - I'll tell you that the 'independent' auditors in question are The Court of Auditors based in Luxembourg. They don't seem to do much more auditing in the accepted sense.
And this experienced organisation (in all things EU, I suspect) has signed off the EU accounts with qualifications for the period from 1998 to 2014 stating that the regular 4% errors (of £130bn spend) are material. So not quite the clean bill of health claimed.

Ahh, those lovely chaps. I've had many a dealing with them and tedious doesn't do them justice. Humourless, grey suited and lacking any ability to engage a brain is my experience.

Yes, that would be my impression too. It seems to be only western Europe which can provide such a never ending cavalcade of non-entities to occupy positions of authority.

Ah yes, West Europe, what a shit hole. Anyone living there would presumably swap it for anywhere else on earth!

[bedwetter2]

Excellent Bish. Balancing of the books comes about as a result of additional end of year demands to net contributors, after the budgets have been exceeded.

Please name the independent auditors used by the EU and whether they may have close relationships to any EU Treasury employees. Don't bother - I'll tell you that the 'independent' auditors in question are The Court of Auditors based in Luxembourg. They don't seem to do much more auditing in the accepted sense.
And this experienced organisation (in all things EU, I suspect) has signed off the EU accounts with qualifications for the period from 1998 to 2014 stating that the regular 4% errors (of £130bn spend) are material. So not quite the clean bill of health claimed.

Ahh, those lovely chaps. I've had many a dealing with them and tedious doesn't do them justice. Humourless, grey suited and lacking any ability to engage a brain is my experience.

Yes, that would be my impression too. It seems to be only western Europe which can provide such a never ending cavalcade of non-entities to occupy positions of authority.

Ah yes, West Europe, what a shit hole. Anyone living there would presumably swap it for anywhere else on earth!

Go on then.....no one's stopping you.

[Hoboh]

Excellent Bish. Balancing of the books comes about as a result of additional end of year demands to net contributors, after the budgets have been exceeded.

Please name the independent auditors used by the EU and whether they may have close relationships to any EU Treasury employees. Don't bother - I'll tell you that the 'independent' auditors in question are The Court of Auditors based in Luxembourg. They don't seem to do much more auditing in the accepted sense.
And this experienced organisation (in all things EU, I suspect) has signed off the EU accounts with qualifications for the period from 1998 to 2014 stating that the regular 4% errors (of £130bn spend) are material. So not quite the clean bill of health claimed.

Ahh, those lovely chaps. I've had many a dealing with them and tedious doesn't do them justice. Humourless, grey suited and lacking any ability to engage a brain is my experience.

Yes, that would be my impression too. It seems to be only western Europe which can provide such a never ending cavalcade of non-entities to occupy positions of authority.

Ah yes, West Europe, what a shit hole. Anyone living there would presumably swap it for anywhere else on earth!

No one is talking about Western Europe the land mass.
It's fecking political union nutters out of the asylums causing the problem.

[Lord Kangana]

Causing which problems though?

No generic shit, specific ones please.

[Prufrock]

Excellent Bish. Balancing of the books comes about as a result of additional end of year demands to net contributors, after the budgets have been exceeded.

Please name the independent auditors used by the EU and whether they may have close relationships to any EU Treasury employees. Don't bother - I'll tell you that the 'independent' auditors in question are The Court of Auditors based in Luxembourg. They don't seem to do much more auditing in the accepted sense.
And this experienced organisation (in all things EU, I suspect) has signed off the EU accounts with qualifications for the period from 1998 to 2014 stating that the regular 4% errors (of £130bn spend) are material. So not quite the clean bill of health claimed.

Ahh, those lovely chaps. I've had many a dealing with them and tedious doesn't do them justice. Humourless, grey suited and lacking any ability to engage a brain is my experience.

Yes, that would be my impression too. It seems to be only western Europe which can provide such a never ending cavalcade of non-entities to occupy positions of authority.

Ah yes, West Europe, what a shit hole. Anyone living there would presumably swap it for anywhere else on earth!

Go on then.....no one's stopping you.

But. But. That's y... But.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

One reason for voting 'in' is the Scots Nats. They actually want to be in Europe but are secretly hoping that the Sassanachs vote out so they can have another go at independence. So if we vote 'in' they supposedly get what they want but will be as miserable as sin. So on that score, it's a pleasure to vote 'stay'.

[thebish]

Very good point!

[Bijou Bob]

I was accosted by a group of UKIPpers yesterday who asked which way I was intending to vote. I said I wasn't sure but if they could convince me the pound wouldn't crash for the 2-4 years we would potentially be negotiating an exit following an 'Out' vote (Thereby affecting inflation rates, balance of trade, pensions etc etc) I'd think about voting out. There then followed ten minutes of bluster, obfuscation, attempted scare tactics and a complete lack of an answer.

I'm now voting "In". My thanks to UKIP for helping make up my mind.