Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[thebish]

you did seem a TINY bit bothered in that you suggested I might be a "Buddhistophobe"... ansd then went on to suggest (bizarrely) that I might think the largest problem on the planet is Buddhism.

but - hey - hyperbole away - it suits you - and this thread!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Plus it's very revealing that the post in Today's Times carries this reply to the Trevor Phillips article.
In it's entirety:
Sir, Trevor Phillips challenges us to accept that Muslim communities see the world differently from the rest of us. I recently visited the multi-faith chapel st Heathrow to pray while waiting for a plane. The only other visitors were a regular stream of Muslim airport workers coming to pray during their break.
I wish we were more like them.
THE REVEREND JANET COX.

In what way would this be a good thing?
Why are only Muslims praying?
What are they praying for?

[thebish]

Plus it's very revealing that the post in Today's Times carries this reply to the Trevor Phillips article.
In it's entirety:
Sir, Trevor Phillips challenges us to accept that Muslim communities see the world differently from the rest of us. I recently visited the multi-faith chapel st Heathrow to pray while waiting for a plane. The only other visitors were a regular stream of Muslim airport workers coming to pray during their break.
I wish we were more like them.
THE REVEREND JANET COX.

In what way would this be a good thing?
Why are only Muslims praying?
What are they praying for?

presumably she thinks that it would be a good thing if christians had better prayer lives
it was not only muslims praying - she also did - I'm guessing she's christian
I imagine they are praying for much the same things as other people who pray are praying for - mostly ordinary stuff - and quite probably many of them are not praying "for" anything, they are just praying

I'm not at all sure why you think this is particularly revealing.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

you did seem a TINY bit bothered in that you suggested I might be a "Buddhistophobe"... ansd then went on to suggest (bizarrely) that I might think the largest problem on the planet is Buddhism.

but - hey - hyperbole away - it suits you - and this thread!

Yeah, yeah. As I said before, you've got this dialectic thing down to a fine art
All you do is ignore the main points of an argument that don't go your way and repeat and hone in on semantic of minor points where you can wield your sarcasm.

So: Is an Ayatollah a Muslim?
Does he, according to Shia practice, interpret Islamic doctrine?
And can he rule, in the name of God, certain edicts that are applicable across the entire Muslim community on Earth?
And did one Ayatollah (the voice of God) give a fatwa (an Islamic legal opinion binding upon the Muslim community) to kill an author for writing a book?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Plus it's very revealing that the post in Today's Times carries this reply to the Trevor Phillips article.
In it's entirety:
Sir, Trevor Phillips challenges us to accept that Muslim communities see the world differently from the rest of us. I recently visited the multi-faith chapel st Heathrow to pray while waiting for a plane. The only other visitors were a regular stream of Muslim airport workers coming to pray during their break.
I wish we were more like them.
THE REVEREND JANET COX.

In what way would this be a good thing?
Why are only Muslims praying?
What are they praying for?

presumably she thinks that it would be a good thing if christians had better prayer lives
it was not only muslims praying - she also did - I'm guessing she's christian
I imagine they are praying for much the same things as other people who pray are praying for - mostly ordinary stuff - and quite probably many of them are not praying "for" anything, they are just praying

I'm not at all sure why you think this is particularly revealing.

I know you're not sure. That's the revealing thing. Your faith, her faith and Islamic faith aren't that far apart.
If this was 15th century Netherlands I'd be railing against the Anabaptists and not Muslims.
The vast gap that creates Islamophobes from Muslims is not accessible to you, despite how much mindfulness you apply to it. But, rather than acknowledge there is an unbridgeable gap of understanding here you try and apply you own faith bound logic to the problem, and conclude obviously from your viewpoint that you are right and I am wrong.

[thebish]

Plus it's very revealing that the post in Today's Times carries this reply to the Trevor Phillips article.
In it's entirety:
Sir, Trevor Phillips challenges us to accept that Muslim communities see the world differently from the rest of us. I recently visited the multi-faith chapel st Heathrow to pray while waiting for a plane. The only other visitors were a regular stream of Muslim airport workers coming to pray during their break.
I wish we were more like them.
THE REVEREND JANET COX.

In what way would this be a good thing?
Why are only Muslims praying?
What are they praying for?

presumably she thinks that it would be a good thing if christians had better prayer lives
it was not only muslims praying - she also did - I'm guessing she's christian
I imagine they are praying for much the same things as other people who pray are praying for - mostly ordinary stuff - and quite probably many of them are not praying "for" anything, they are just praying

I'm not at all sure why you think this is particularly revealing.

I know you're not sure. That's the revealing thing. Your faith, her faith and Islamic faith aren't that far apart.
If this was 15th century Netherlands I'd be railing against the Anabaptists and not Muslims.
The vast gap that creates Islamophobes from Muslims is not accessible to you, despite how much mindfulness you apply to it. But, rather than acknowledge there is an unbridgeable gap of understanding here you try and apply you own faith bound logic to the problem, and conclude obviously from your viewpoint that you are right and I am wrong.

none of that bears any relation to your three questions - which I answered uncontroversially.

what I'm not sure about is what the feck you are on about in highlighting this fairly innocuous and uncontroversial letter from the times! no 15th century anabaptist analogy is needed to explain that!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Plus it's very revealing that the post in Today's Times carries this reply to the Trevor Phillips article.
In it's entirety:
Sir, Trevor Phillips challenges us to accept that Muslim communities see the world differently from the rest of us. I recently visited the multi-faith chapel st Heathrow to pray while waiting for a plane. The only other visitors were a regular stream of Muslim airport workers coming to pray during their break.
I wish we were more like them.
THE REVEREND JANET COX.

In what way would this be a good thing?
Why are only Muslims praying?
What are they praying for?

presumably she thinks that it would be a good thing if christians had better prayer lives
it was not only muslims praying - she also did - I'm guessing she's christian
I imagine they are praying for much the same things as other people who pray are praying for - mostly ordinary stuff - and quite probably many of them are not praying "for" anything, they are just praying

I'm not at all sure why you think this is particularly revealing.

I know you're not sure. That's the revealing thing. Your faith, her faith and Islamic faith aren't that far apart.
If this was 15th century Netherlands I'd be railing against the Anabaptists and not Muslims.
The vast gap that creates Islamophobes from Muslims is not accessible to you, despite how much mindfulness you apply to it. But, rather than acknowledge there is an unbridgeable gap of understanding here you try and apply you own faith bound logic to the problem, and conclude obviously from your viewpoint that you are right and I am wrong.

none of that bears any relation to your three questions - which I answered uncontroversially.

what I'm not sure about is what the feck you are on about in highlighting this fairly innocuous and uncontroversial letter from the times! no 15th century anabaptist analogy is needed to explain that!

You answered them but still failed to see there are other answers that could equally be applied dependent on one's point of view. The woman herself failed to grasp what Trevor Phillips had said and answered strictly from her own perception of what Trevor Phillips had said. She blithely ignored his assertion that Muslims are different and instead merely used it as illustration of how she'd like this country to be: more Christian, with Christians praying more.

I note you've completely ducked the argument about the Ayotollah's death sentence.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

^ So come on!
When the chief cleric and God's representative on Earth, infallible mufti and leader of millions of the faithful (some but not a lot of hyperbole there) declares a death sentence on an author for writing a book, and calls on all good Muslims to carry out this sentence, how can you claim that that is somehow a minority opinion?
Have you got better qualifications than an Ayatollah to interpret God's word?

[thebish]

if you're asking me - i reckon he's wrong - so do a shit-load of muslims. what about you?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

if you're asking me - i reckon he's wrong - so do a shit-load of muslims. what about you?

I've not met a Muslim yet who said he's wrong... and the millions celebrating on the streets of Tehran when the fatwa was read out kinda tells me that the majority were in favour. But, more importantly, as I keep trying to get across, the death sentence was promulgated because of the tenets of the religion. Therefore the religion is shit.
My answer is that any and all Ayatollahs can stick each and every edict they want to promulgate up their sphincters.

[thebish]

if you're asking me - i reckon he's wrong - so do a shit-load of muslims. what about you?

I've not met a Muslim yet who said he's wrong... and the millions celebrating on the streets of Tehran when the fatwa was read out kinda tells me that the majority were in favour. But, more importantly, as I keep trying to get across, the death sentence was promulgated because of the tenets of the religion. Therefore the religion is shit.
My answer is that any and all Ayatollahs can stick each and every edict they want to promulgate up their sphincters.

I have - lots. so - it seems that you, me, and most muslims who seem to be able to live their lives perfectly harmoniously without any murderous c&ntishness - millions of them - Ayatollah or no - are all in total agreement. which has to be a good thing. most muslims seem to take the ayatollah a lot less seriously than you do and are not that hung up on his fatwa... I also think that is a good thing - good on them. i am also quite happy ignoring the pope and I am sure you are capable of ignoring the Buddha - good Buddhist that you are... maybe you're just too respectful of islamic authority figures? it isn't always a good thing...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

maybe you're just too respectful of islamic authority figures? it isn't always a good thing...

Tell me about it...
And tell the people in the Bataclan, and the people in the Charlie Hebdo offices, and the people in the Jewish Museum in Brussels, and the people on the tube, and the people at the finish line of a marathon, and the people in a market in Maidiguro, and the people in the twin towers, and the aid worker in Syria, and the etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

But then, as Trev Phillips tells us: it is deeply disrespectful of us to assume they will change as they see the world differently to the rest of us.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Iranian state newspaper amongst another 40 organisations in Iran to add $600,000 to the bounty to carry out the fatwa to kill the author Salman Rushdie for writing a book. No, not years ago, Today!
This takes the total to $3.9 million if you fancy the money. If you're Muslim you are OBLIGED to kill the cxnt, apparently.
Yesterday this was said: The fatwa against Salman Rushdie is a religious fatwa. It has been,it is, and it will be.

All religious people, and especially all Muslims, need to hang your fxcking heads in shame, so say I. Because not a fxcking single one of you have kicked up a fuss about this. Nothing, nada, bugger all.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Muhammad Masood Qadiri, an imam based in Bolton, has flown out to Pakistan to attend the funeral of the murderer of the Punjab governor who was campaigning to alter the blasphemy laws in Pakistan.
This cxnt, an imam in this country, who has lent support to an Islamist killer whose belief is antithetic to religious harmony, who is an extremist, shouldn't be let back into this country. And if he is he should be jailed.
But I bet the cxnt will be let back in and I'll put money on the cxnt not even being questioned. Despite the fact he is a truly despicable, intolerant, racist, fxcking cxnt...

[Prufrock]

If what you say is true, he undoubtedly is, but what do you want him questioned for? Which bit should be a crime?

I'd be careful if you were putting forward making being an intolerant c*nt a crime .

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If what you say is true, he undoubtedly is, but what do you want him questioned for? Which bit should be a crime?
I'd be careful if you were putting forward making being an intolerant c*nt a crime .

For precisely the same reason why I know that he went out there... and for the reason he did so... which he's publicised. That makes it a hate crime. Or rather it should be. Publicising the celebration of an Islamist killer via facebook, and sermonising in British mosques! If that's not a crime maybe we've uncovered why so many Muslims in this country support the wahhabist scum...

[Prufrock]

"Hate crime" .

Did the nasty man say a nasty thing?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

"Hate crime" .

Did the nasty man say a nasty thing?

Well, when an imam tells his congregation that somebody who kills a lawmaker who defended a woman because she was Christian and he got shot because of that and its justified because obviously Christians need fxcking shooting, then yes.
The fact you think that's hilarious makes you a tit, frankly.
Ha ha ha fxcking ha... Did the nasty man say a nasty thing. No the cxnt is proselytising his congregation to fxcking kill, you tit. Does that make it plainer?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Indeed let's explore this hilariousness' further. Let's have an internet bet where you promulgate his opinion, here, on TW. And then I'll dob you in to the GMP for a 'hate crime'. Do you think:
A) they will interview you with the option of charging you with a crime.
or
B) they'll stand about laughing, slapping their thighs, saying things like 'oh the nasty man has said nasty things and he expects us to take it seriously... Ha ha ha ha'?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

^ PS. I apologise for calling you a tit, but you did annoy me.