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[Rjs37]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

What's the point? With the Bristol result I'd say we're nailed on for relegation now (although personally I thought we were done around the New Year), his appearance for or omission from the team will not change that fact. And given his high wages he's unlikely to remain here next season. There's little point in paying this £100k when it won't change a thing, when we could opt not to pay it and keep it for use next season. If we weren't adrift and in decent survival form then I'd be tempted to gamble and pay it in the hopes we stay up. In our current situation we'd be better saving it, and not playing him. It's a pragmatic decision.

I read that he's owed 400k at the end of his contract and isn't exactly in a rush to move on. Pay the money and actually use him if he's not going to budge is my reasoning.

We probably can't afford to pay it. Even if we can, 100K is a lot of money for a league one team.

It's not that much money, I'm sure IF we wanted to, we could afford it. I agree though it's a waste of money and that we shouldn't be paying it. However it's a moot point if we have to pay out a separate 400k regardless.

We don't seem to be very good at these contract negotiations.

[BWFC_Insane]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

What's the point? With the Bristol result I'd say we're nailed on for relegation now (although personally I thought we were done around the New Year), his appearance for or omission from the team will not change that fact. And given his high wages he's unlikely to remain here next season. There's little point in paying this £100k when it won't change a thing, when we could opt not to pay it and keep it for use next season. If we weren't adrift and in decent survival form then I'd be tempted to gamble and pay it in the hopes we stay up. In our current situation we'd be better saving it, and not playing him. It's a pragmatic decision.

I read that he's owed 400k at the end of his contract and isn't exactly in a rush to move on. Pay the money and actually use him if he's not going to budge is my reasoning.

We probably can't afford to pay it. Even if we can, 100K is a lot of money for a league one team.

It's not that much money, I'm sure IF we wanted to, we could afford it. I agree though it's a waste of money and that we shouldn't be paying it. However it's a moot point if we have to pay out a separate 400k regardless.

We don't seem to be very good at these contract negotiations.

Our turnover next season likely to be around the 5-6M mark.

Our wage bill ideally would be 3-4M at most.

So yes, £100K is a large amount of money for us now. Especially if we get nothing back for it.

[Jugs]

But if we're to pay out 400k anyway, what's an extra 100k? May as well just pay the damn sum and get some use out of him IF we can't sell him.

[BWFC_Insane]

But if we're to pay out 400k anyway, what's an extra 100k? May as well just pay the damn sum and get some use out of him IF we can't sell him.

We have the summer to try and get rid. So no point doing anything till then. We might be mad lucky and find someone to cover some of that £400k!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

Eh? Pay Liverpool (not Spearing) a bonus related to his appearances this season, so he can stomp round in eight dead rubbers?

As I understand it, the clausal 100k fee to the club doesn't mean we escape the 400k "loyalty" bonus to the player. And if he doesn't play again, the appearance-bonus dial is reset to zero.

[Bruce Rioja]

So yes, £100K is a large amount of money for us now. Especially if we get nothing back for it.

It truly is awful though when you reaslise that we're scratching down the back of the sofa for £100K in the context of Dean Holdswoth costing us £3.5m 19 years ago?! (plus wages and associated fees).

[wigan white]

So yes, £100K is a large amount of money for us now. Especially if we get nothing back for it.

It truly is awful though when you reaslise that we're scratching down the back of the sofa for £100K in the context of Dean Holdswoth costing us £3.5m 19 years ago?! (plus wages and associated fees).

I knew Holdsworth was behind our financial downfall......"HOLDSWORTH OUT"!!!!

[BWFC_Insane]

So yes, £100K is a large amount of money for us now. Especially if we get nothing back for it.

It truly is awful though when you reaslise that we're scratching down the back of the sofa for £100K in the context of Dean Holdswoth costing us £3.5m 19 years ago?! (plus wages and associated fees).

Yep. Though that fee along with others almost led us down the rabbit hole at the time too.

And Deano played a pretty big part in getting the club back up so arguably did sort of pay back his fee.

[TANGODANCER]

Breaking news is that Mark Davies can go out on loan and Brett Warburton has officially resigned. Bolton News source.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Breaking news is that Mark Davies can go out on loan and Brett Warburton has officially resigned. Bolton News source.

Davies "has been told he can leave the Macron on loan by Thursday’s deadline as the club continues to take pre-emptive measures to cut costs for next season. Other senior players, including Jay Spearing, have been offered the same deal in the hope they can manufacture a permanent move elsewhere in the summer."

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[CrazyHorse]

Nailed on that Mark Davies goes on loan to Wolves where he'll score nine before the season end and will lift their player of the year award.

Oh and with Bolton still paying three quarters of his wages too as the icing on the cake.

[Bruce Rioja]

So, Zinadine Zi-Danns's values just headed north. Where the feck's Guyana?

Neil Danns called up by Guyana

[Jugs]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

Eh? Pay Liverpool (not Spearing) a bonus related to his appearances this season, so he can stomp round in eight dead rubbers?

As I understand it, the clausal 100k fee to the club doesn't mean we escape the 400k "loyalty" bonus to the player. And if he doesn't play again, the appearance-bonus dial is reset to zero.

To be honest, my comment was a frustrated reaction to the total fiasco we're in. Reading that we would owe Jay 400k once his contract is up did it for me.

We've signed players for big money who we now can't even play.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

Eh? Pay Liverpool (not Spearing) a bonus related to his appearances this season, so he can stomp round in eight dead rubbers?

As I understand it, the clausal 100k fee to the club doesn't mean we escape the 400k "loyalty" bonus to the player. And if he doesn't play again, the appearance-bonus dial is reset to zero.

To be honest, my comment was a frustrated reaction to the total fiasco we're in. Reading that we would owe Jay 400k once his contract is up did it for me.

We've signed players for big money who we now can't even play.

I share your irk, m'friend. He won't play again this season but it resets - it's only if he plays in half the league games that we add on the £100k. I don't know why we were discussing delaying payment until the summer as opposed to not paying it altogether, but Liverpool told us to eff off anyway. If we had a genuine chance of staying up it might just be worth the gamble but we haven't so it isn't.

You now have to wonder how many of these benighted clauses we'll have to respect, as the club who signed the contracts. It's all very well saying in anger "Player X should never play for us again" but we're still paying for the bugger, under contractual law that was designed to stick up for the little guy against mean old bosses.

[TonyDomingos]

So, Zinadine Zi-Danns's values just headed north. Where the feck's Guyana?

Neil Danns called up by Guyana

As it happens, I work with someone of Guyanan heritage. It's in South America, but part of the Caribbean.

[LeverEnd]

Just pay the bloody 100k for Spearing!

Eh? Pay Liverpool (not Spearing) a bonus related to his appearances this season, so he can stomp round in eight dead rubbers?

As I understand it, the clausal 100k fee to the club doesn't mean we escape the 400k "loyalty" bonus to the player. And if he doesn't play again, the appearance-bonus dial is reset to zero.

To be honest, my comment was a frustrated reaction to the total fiasco we're in. Reading that we would owe Jay 400k once his contract is up did it for me.

We've signed players for big money who we now can't even play.

I share your irk, m'friend. He won't play again this season but it resets - it's only if he plays in half the league games that we add on the £100k. I don't know why we were discussing delaying payment until the summer as opposed to not paying it altogether, but Liverpool told us to eff off anyway. If we had a genuine chance of staying up it might just be worth the gamble but we haven't so it isn't.

You now have to wonder how many of these benighted clauses we'll have to respect, as the club who signed the contracts. It's all very well saying in anger "Player X should never play for us again" but we're still paying for the bugger, under contractual law that was designed to stick up for the little guy against mean old bosses.

Best thing for Spearing is to offer him to all Champs and League 1 clubs for the rest of the season, even if we pay 90% of his wages, while we try to flog him. If not and we are stuck with him, then he would be a great captain in League 1 and we can try again at Christmas before the 100k kicks in. Sounds like Deano's lot are pragmatists. Mark Davies I can't wait to see the back of, but Jay has always put in a shift, if not a great one, while being continually undermined by a manager who didn't seem to rate him and used him as one of his scapegoats.

As for Amos, that's the real worry for me. He's fecking dire but we're stuck with him for years on big wages. I'd bring that mask-waering nutter Barber back in to try to get the best out of him and hope it was a blip, because no-one is going to take him off our hands.

[irie Cee Bee]

So, Zinadine Zi-Danns's values just headed north. Where the feck's Guyana?

Neil Danns called up by Guyana

As it happens, I work with someone of Guyanan heritage. It's in South America, but part of the Caribbean.

If you follow cricket, players such as former West Indies captain Clive Lloyd, Colin Croft, Carl Hooper, Shivnaine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Devendra Bishoo are all Guyanese.

[Worthy4England]

So, Zinadine Zi-Danns's values just headed north. Where the feck's Guyana?

Neil Danns called up by Guyana

As it happens, I work with someone of Guyanan heritage. It's in South America, but part of the Caribbean.

If you follow cricket, players such as former West Indies captain Clive Lloyd, Colin Croft, Carl Hooper, Shivnaine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Devendra Bishoo are all Guyanese.

That would be Sir Clive Hubert Lloyd to mere mortals, thanks!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Best thing for Spearing is to offer him to all Champs and League 1 clubs for the rest of the season, even if we pay 90% of his wages, while we try to flog him. If not and we are stuck with him, then he would be a great captain in League 1 and we can try again at Christmas before the 100k kicks in. Sounds like Deano's lot are pragmatists.

Makes sense - most League One clubs played their 22nd match this season on Boxing Day, so add in the odd niggle and inevitable suspension and that's basically back into The Window. Of course, it would be better if we could get shut of his wages - presumably among the biggest at the club - altogether, but if we can't, then we might as well make the best of a bad show.

That said, the "£3,500 appearance bonus" rumour is a worry. That's more likely to be our base *wage* next season. If it's true, and we can't shift him over summer, we'd have to have an honest conversation with him: Look, mate, we couldn't afford it last season and we sure as sh*t can't now. If you waive that, we'll play you; if not, you're playing at Leyland at best, or waiting for a loan club again.

As for Amos, that's the real worry for me. He's fecking dire but we're stuck with him for years on big wages. I'd bring that mask-waering nutter Barber back in to try to get the best out of him and hope it was a blip, because no-one is going to take him off our hands.

Weird thing with Amos is that he wasn't dire last season. Just maybe with a steadier defence* he might reclaim some kind of form. As you and I have both said, we're not likely to find someone to take on that wage, so it's the same thing: do we find him a loan club stumping up say 50% of his salary and pay him £8k pw to NOT play for us? If so, who does? I was half-joking when I mentioned Jaaskelainen Senior, but I'm beginning to wonder...


*We'll address that problem later. One miracle at a time...

[BWFC_Insane]

Someone has asked Nixon what Terry Robinson did here....his answer......as I suspected!

Alan Nixon ‏@reluctantnicko

@BenniBWFC Not a lot