The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[bobo the clown]

^^^ which is very important. Many in that Europe have decided it's a busted flush. IF the UK exits (& I think it narrowly won't) there will be others who decide to have a look.

are you an inner or an outer, then, Bobo?

I want to be in the EEC.

I don't want to be in a USE.

I don't fckg know.

[thebish]

^^^ which is very important. Many in that Europe have decided it's a busted flush. IF the UK exits (& I think it narrowly won't) there will be others who decide to have a look.

are you an inner or an outer, then, Bobo?

I want to be in the EEC.

I don't want to be in a USE.

I don't fckg know.

clock ticking - fence getting uncomfortable!

[Bruce Rioja]

^^^ which is very important. Many in that Europe have decided it's a busted flush. IF the UK exits (& I think it narrowly won't) there will be others who decide to have a look.

are you an inner or an outer, then, Bobo?

We need to start a belly button thread.

[TANGODANCER]

I want to be in the EEC. I don't want to be in a USE. I don't fckg know.

This is the boat I'm in. How can you know? How can anybody really know? The taxpaying public pay M.P's hefty salaries to guide and advise us on these things, and beyond vague opinions, they don't even know. My fear is voting for something I'm unsure of that could turn out a total gamble rather than a reasoned decision. It's why I probably won't vote at all rather than just for the sake of doing so on the flip of a coin.

[Enoch]

We need to start a belly button thread.

[Worthy4England]

Some of those are clearly from ladies of a certain age...

[Enoch]

Right centre!

[bobo the clown]

Some of those are clearly from ladies of a certain age...

3 across, 2 down certainly reminds me of someone.

[Worthy4England]

Some of those are clearly from ladies of a certain age...

3 across, 2 down certainly reminds me of someone.

That's a worry, I remember that one too!

[Bruce Rioja]

Some of those are clearly from ladies of a certain age...

3 across, 2 down certainly reminds me of someone.

That's a worry, I remember that one too!

Each other?

[Worthy4England]

Bastard.

[Hoboh]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/do ... ocid=edgsp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh dear, yet another attempt to sanitise language.

[TANGODANCER]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/do ... ocid=edgsp

Oh dear, yet another attempt to sanitise language.

There are a few instances where the expression "Oh, do fxxx off" seem to be the only suitable answer.

[Hoboh]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/do ... ocid=edgsp

Oh dear, yet another attempt to sanitise language.

There are a few instances where the expression "Oh, do fxxx off" seem to be the only suitable answer.

Me or Nils Muižnieks?

[TANGODANCER]

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/do ... ocid=edgsp

Oh dear, yet another attempt to sanitise language.

There are a few instances where the expression "Oh, do fxxx off" seem to be the only suitable answer.

Me or Nils Muižnieks?

him.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... rom-brexit" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh dear, some are hitting the panic button now

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/a ... n-official" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Unrest has already erupted among refugees and migrants in Greece in anticipation of the deal being implemented. On the Greek island of Chios, hundreds of people tore down a razor wire fence that had kept them imprisoned in a camp and fled.

Quite obviously the "highly skilled brain surgeons" we are told they are, escaping a camp on an island, they swim off?

As for the UN, it is about time countries started to pull out from this failed organisation, full of the corrupt and handwringers at a price that would dwarf the EU cost.

What have the UN ever really done or been successful in, apart from losing some ill trained peace keeping force occasionally?

The UN is outdated and irrelevant except to the backwater nations who get seats on committees etc.

[thebish]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... rom-brexit

Oh dear, some are hitting the panic button now

you've been saying that for months!

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... rom-brexit

Oh dear, some are hitting the panic button now

you've been saying that for months!

Your late on that one.

[Montreal Wanderer]

What have the UN ever really done or been successful in, apart from losing some ill trained peace keeping force occasionally?

In my view the UN has contributed to avoiding global conflict in the last seventy years (although we came close in 1960). I could point to a number of successes but I will concentrate on human rights. I know some of you sneer at the concept. Before the UN there was no concept of the individual in international law. This meant nations were sovereign over their own population and could do what they wanted to them. Hitler murdered six million Jews not to mention other millions of lesser people like Slavs and gypsies. Stalin got rid of more through his purges and agricultural collectivization policies. The UN introduced the concept of the individual into international law. There was a declaration and a number of conventions (treaties) on civil/political rights, social/economic rights, rights of the child, against slavery, against torture, etc. Finally the UN introduced means of implementation for those who violated their treaty obligations, including a World Court, where evil leaders can be held to account for their crimes against humanity. I don't want to return to an era when governments can do what they want to their citizens with impunity.