Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[Bruce Rioja]

I genuinely don't understand people who don't find Stewart Lee funny. You might as well just sit at home watching you've been framed on repeat, because that's your level.

A cock you are, an expert on comedy levels you are not! Just a view

[thebish]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

[Bruce Rioja]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Personally I don't know who Stewart Lee is. Isn't he the guy that used to play up front when either Byrom or Whatmore weren't available?

There are various comedians that I don't find funny though who are currently 'en vogue'. That skinny nice person from Bristol who appears on everything just now - went to see him at the town hall. Dreadful.

Further back, over the course of my life I must've turned down 100 invitations to go to the Embassy Club. Whatever people found funny in Manning completely bewilders me.

[thebish]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Personally I don't know who Stewart Lee is. Isn't he the guy that used to play up front when either Byrom or Whatmore weren't available?

Yes! Yes, that's the fellah!

[Worthy4England]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Aye - I loaded up "Inside the Helmet" after watching 20 minutes of Stewart Lee...

[thebish]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Aye - I loaded up "Inside the Helmet" after watching 20 minutes of Stewart Lee...

see - everyone's happy!

[Gary the Enfield]

I wish I knew Worthy. Reformation would be a good start but as "the last true religion" and a book that says the text cannot be changed, it would appear that this option is not going to happen soon.

Surely the text of the Bible did not change (although it has been translated to more modern language) and any devout follower might consider his or her religion the last true one. The Christian Reformation was more about changing church practices than the holy writ. Since the majority of Muslims do not make the same interpretations of the Qur'an as Islamic State and those of their ilk, perhaps we may one day hope for an Islamic reformation of sorts.

Surely Monty? You don't think bits were re-written and excluded to suit the mood of the day? I'm definitely no expert but a series of stories loosely based around the life of a Man/ God who may or may not have existed cobbled together with another series of stories written up to a thousand years prior to that has remained unchanged except in translation?

I find that almost impossible to believe and am surprised you, as a bibliophile, do too.

[TANGODANCER]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Aye - I loaded up "Inside the Helmet" after watching 20 minutes of Stewart Lee...

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

[Hoboh]

I'd never heard of him either, clearly a fringe lunatic.

[thebish]

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

there... that's settled then! phew!

[Gary the Enfield]

it's OK if people don't like Stewart Lee, there's Roy Chubby Brown and Jim Davidson - something for everyone, see?

Aye - I loaded up "Inside the Helmet" after watching 20 minutes of Stewart Lee...

Fnaarrrr! Was he THAT exciting?

[Worthy4England]

I'll tee 'em up...

[TANGODANCER]

I wish I knew Worthy. Reformation would be a good start but as "the last true religion" and a book that says the text cannot be changed, it would appear that this option is not going to happen soon.

Surely the text of the Bible did not change (although it has been translated to more modern language) and any devout follower might consider his or her religion the last true one. The Christian Reformation was more about changing church practices than the holy writ. Since the majority of Muslims do not make the same interpretations of the Qur'an as Islamic State and those of their ilk, perhaps we may one day hope for an Islamic reformation of sorts.

Surely Monty? You don't think bits were re-written and excluded to suit the mood of the day? I'm definitely no expert but a series of stories loosely based around the life of a Man/ God who may or may not have existed cobbled together with another series of stories written up to a thousand years prior to that has remained unchanged except in translation?

I find that almost impossible to believe and am surprised you, as a bibliophile, do too.

First point on that (in something that isn't going to count for much in an argument on religion because few things do) Gary, is that I make no claim, despite being a Catholic/Christian (not the very best of either) to exemplarary Biblical knowlege beyond your average devotee. My personal Bible is a thing of beauty in fine paper and a gold-blocked real leather cover. (It is, of course, printed in China) and ever near to hand, though not read as often as Pride and Prejudice. It's even uncertain when making the sign of the cross passing Our Lady of Lourdes in Farnworth whether the gesture is recieved by the Church or the social club next door...However...( my mild humour is aimed at the inconsistencies of man, not the Bible)

The Old and New Testaments are not mixed up, despite being inside one book cover,but seperate versions, one before the birth of Christ and the other after. The New is actually where Jesus almost retells the old version but makes his father a merciful and loving God rather than the vengeful one times reaching way back beyond two milleniums. This has been in existence (as a translation) for some four hundred years, but the for two thousand in principle. From Aramaic to text I will agree with the bish (before he smites me with a golden rod and banishes me to Old Trafford) is a mighty jump via many passports being involved. Finding and following the principles are really all that matter.

I've said many times that the word of man is how we see and interpret the word of God. That's proven in the fact that the Bible has had a more modern interpretation than the Quran which has existed a slightly less time but refuses one iota of change, thus proving there is a marked difference even in beliefs. When Woolworths and Burnden Park have closed forever in my lifetime, it is hard to believe that nothing has changed religious wise in two thousand years or so.

[TANGODANCER]

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

there... that's settled then! phew!

I wouldn't of course dare to disagree with you own impeccable humour or your opinion on the man (which you carefully never state one way or the other)

[Gary the Enfield]

I wish I knew Worthy. Reformation would be a good start but as "the last true religion" and a book that says the text cannot be changed, it would appear that this option is not going to happen soon.

Surely the text of the Bible did not change (although it has been translated to more modern language) and any devout follower might consider his or her religion the last true one. The Christian Reformation was more about changing church practices than the holy writ. Since the majority of Muslims do not make the same interpretations of the Qur'an as Islamic State and those of their ilk, perhaps we may one day hope for an Islamic reformation of sorts.

Surely Monty? You don't think bits were re-written and excluded to suit the mood of the day? I'm definitely no expert but a series of stories loosely based around the life of a Man/ God who may or may not have existed cobbled together with another series of stories written up to a thousand years prior to that has remained unchanged except in translation?

I find that almost impossible to believe and am surprised you, as a bibliophile, do too.

First point on that (in something that isn't going to count for much in an argument on religion because few things do) Gary, is that I make no claim, despite being a Catholic/Christian (not the very best of either) to exemplarary Biblical knowlege beyond your average devotee. My personal Bible is a thing of beauty in fine paper and a gold-blocked real leather cover. (It is, of course, printed in China) and ever near to hand, though not read as often as Pride and Prejudice. It's even uncertain when making the sign of the cross passing Our Lady of Lourdes in Farnworth whether the gesture is recieved by the Church or the social club next door...However...( my mild humour is aimed at the inconsistencies of man, not the Bible)

The Old and New Testaments are not mixed up, despite being inside one book cover,but seperate versions, one before the birth of Christ and the other after. The New is actually where Jesus almost retells the old version but makes his father a merciful and loving God rather than the vengeful one times reaching way back beyond two milleniums. This has been in existence (as a translation) for some four hundred years, but the for two thousand in principle. From Aramaic to text I will agree with the bish (before he smites me with a golden rod and banishes me to Old Trafford) is a mighty jump via many passports being involved. Finding and following the principles are really all that matter.

I've said many times that the word of man is how we see and interpret the word of God. That's proven in the fact that the Bible has had a more modern interpretation than the Quran which has existed a slightly less time but refuses one iota of change, thus proving there is a marked difference even in beliefs. When Woolworths and Burnden Park have closed forever in my lifetime, it is hard to believe that nothing has changed religious wise in two thousand years or so.

So you agree with me then?

[TANGODANCER]

So you agree with me then?

Cautiously, and to some extent, obviously, but never forgetting that "man" fellow........

[thebish]

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

there... that's settled then! phew!

I wouldn't of course dare to disagree with you own impeccable humour or your opinion on the man (which you carefully never state one way or the other)

apologies for being too subtle about my opinion - I mistakenly thought my positioning of a laughing-icon directly after quoting the link to his video indicated that I thought it was funny...

[TANGODANCER]

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

there... that's settled then! phew!

I wouldn't of course dare to disagree with you own impeccable humour or your opinion on the man (which you carefully never state one way or the other)

apologies for being too subtle about my opinion - I mistakenly thought my positioning of a laughing-icon directly after quoting the link to his video indicated that I thought it was funny...

Which of course is flexible is it not? You could be laughing at it being funny or ridiculous. At least I now know it was the former. Thanks for the clarification.

[thebish]

Being truthful, I'd never heard of him either. I lasted about fifteen minutes of the clip just being sure that something funny would emerge, cos, well, he's a comedien isnt he? .......it didn't. It was utter crap......

there... that's settled then! phew!

I wouldn't of course dare to disagree with you own impeccable humour or your opinion on the man (which you carefully never state one way or the other)

apologies for being too subtle about my opinion - I mistakenly thought my positioning of a laughing-icon directly after quoting the link to his video indicated that I thought it was funny...

Which of course is flexible is it not? You could be laughing at it being funny or ridiculous. At least I now know it was the former. Thanks for the clarification.

no - not really.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I wish I knew Worthy. Reformation would be a good start but as "the last true religion" and a book that says the text cannot be changed, it would appear that this option is not going to happen soon.

Surely the text of the Bible did not change (although it has been translated to more modern language) and any devout follower might consider his or her religion the last true one. The Christian Reformation was more about changing church practices than the holy writ. Since the majority of Muslims do not make the same interpretations of the Qur'an as Islamic State and those of their ilk, perhaps we may one day hope for an Islamic reformation of sorts.

Surely Monty? You don't think bits were re-written and excluded to suit the mood of the day? I'm definitely no expert but a series of stories loosely based around the life of a Man/ God who may or may not have existed cobbled together with another series of stories written up to a thousand years prior to that has remained unchanged except in translation?

I find that almost impossible to believe and am surprised you, as a bibliophile, do too.

As I understand it the early history/mythology of Judaism was transmitted through oral tradition. These versions frequently varied so at one point rabbis got together to write down an established text of the first five books (Torah) which could not be edited later by scribes (around 400 BC?). Similar Councils in the early days established which texts formed part of the official new testament. Some 52 gnostic gospels were chucked out so we only have to remember the names of four evangelists. What I meant was once the texts that form the bible were established the texts were not changed, although more modern translations have been made. I'm still a King James version man myself. The Protestant Reformation did not change the books of the Bible (though Luther tried to have a few thrown out) but certainly played fast and loose with Catholic interpretation and dogma.

I believe there are some seven schools that interpret the Qur'an differently though the original text may be unaltered. I was just trying to suggest that a reformation in Islam might be possible, if the kindlier schools gained dominance, even if the basic text remains unaltered.

However, I'm no expert and go only by what Jewish and Muslim friends have told me. Interpretations make a huge difference. You can be beheaded in Saudi Arabia for adultery and stoned in Nigeria, but I imagine things are different in Turkey and Bradford.