Muslims, racists, individuals and attitudes.

[Hoboh]

I'd love to see a Venn diagram showing those supporting Adam Johnson and those hosting Britain First posts on their Facebook pages.

He got what he deserved but I do worry about sentencing when this was the result for this tw*t

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Johnson got 6 years this bastard should have got at least 16.

I'm not quite with you there, hoboh. Johnson was a sexual predator who seduced a minor - clear premeditation there and, presumably, statutory rape. Chickoto failed to see a drunken woman lying in the road and hit her. Granted with no license or insurance he panicked and fled the scene. Later than night he told the truth. It just doesn't seem as bad to me as seducing a minor - though they are both culpable. Whatever happened to the bus driver and two other drivers who saw her lying there and did not stop?

Panicked?
Some panic jumping in a car following him, leaving her trapped under the car for up to one and half hours, clearly having no licence meant he was not trained in any sense to drive, so no premeditation about getting in the car and driving off then, something he did on the spur of the moment?
Point behind the bus and taxi, they saw her, clearly, why did wanker not? Drugs? untrained? not mentioned but was the car actually stolen? strange having someone following you, the car cannot have been taxed, was it MOT'd? loads of stuff, scrotes like this never get charged with they prefer to do 2 or 3 charges and ignore the rest.

[bobo the clown]

It does seem to have been a particularly nasty version of an accident.

Once you drive illegally any error is compounded. I get why he might panic on hitting her but ffs the woman was dragged for a long way, then ... knowing she was there chose to fck off rather than call it in. Leaving her under his car for 90m while her chances of rescue ebbed away.

Obviously some (tiny) credit to them.eventually returning but jeez on a bike.

I do like to think I'd pull over & at least move someone lying on the road. But we don't know how "on the road" she was, if it seemed just high jinks, or if someone feared it was a set up to be mugged or car-jacked. Whatever it was this guy's actions were wrong.

[Lord Kangana]

Anyway, much as I hate the idea of this, the word on the street is that the girl in the Adam Johnson case stalked him mercilessly for months. Then, after he'd slept with her, the family found out and thought they could make a quid or two out of it. What they hadn't thought through was that they'd have to have a criminal trial.

None of which excuses Mr Johnson's actions, the law is unequivocal on that point. Just thought I'd add some context.

[bobo the clown]

Anyway, much as I hate the idea of this, the word on the street is that the girl in the Adam Johnson case stalked him mercilessly for months. Then, after he'd slept with her, the family found out and thought they could make a quid or two out of it. What they hadn't thought through was that they'd have to have a criminal trial.

None of which excuses Mr Johnson's actions, the law is unequivocal on that point. Just thought I'd add some context.

Agreed. ..... & a minor detail, he never QUITE shagged her. It IS a detail I appreciate.

He knew her age. There was no sense of confusion and it's wrong. But her victim statement yesterday seems at odds with the (rumoured) reality.

What a skunk Johnson must be though.

[Bijou Bob]

Anyway, much as I hate the idea of this, the word on the street is that the girl in the Adam Johnson case stalked him mercilessly for months. Then, after he'd slept with her, the family found out and thought they could make a quid or two out of it. What they hadn't thought through was that they'd have to have a criminal trial.

None of which excuses Mr Johnson's actions, the law is unequivocal on that point. Just thought I'd add some context.

You

Then word on the street is trying to excuse him. She might have 'stalked' him, but she was a kid. He knew well enough to say no. Or wait 4 months if he really just couldn't help himself. No one is telling me that had the family said "Half a million and it goes away", he wouldn't still be playing football. The judge, having heard all of the evidence, was clear, this has devastated the victim and her family.

[TANGODANCER]

A statue of a homeless Jesus sleeping on a park bench ( after the one by a Canadian sculptor) for every town? Just saw this idea mentioned on a T.V programme. Views?

[Bijou Bob]

Nb Those 'Streets' are also the hub centre of misogyny and domestic violence in the UK, so the 'word' doesn't suprise me.

[Bijou Bob]

A statue of a homeless Jesus sleeping on a park bench ( after the one by a Canadian sculptor) for every town? Just saw this idea mentioned on a T.V programme. Views?

Was Jesus homeless?? I know he renounced possessions and chattels, so presumably he spent his life couch surfing with apostles?

[Worthy4England]

^^ bloody stupid?

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[Lord Kangana]

Anyway, much as I hate the idea of this, the word on the street is that the girl in the Adam Johnson case stalked him mercilessly for months. Then, after he'd slept with her, the family found out and thought they could make a quid or two out of it. What they hadn't thought through was that they'd have to have a criminal trial.

None of which excuses Mr Johnson's actions, the law is unequivocal on that point. Just thought I'd add some context.

You

Then word on the street is trying to excuse him. She might have 'stalked' him, but she was a kid. He knew well enough to say no. Or wait 4 months if he really just couldn't help himself. No one is telling me that had the family said "Half a million and it goes away", he wouldn't still be playing football. The judge, having heard all of the evidence, was clear, this has devastated the victim and her family.

I think your rush to be angry with the keyboard has perhaps allowed you to not really fully take in what I have written. Adam Johnson has rightly been tried of a crime for which he has no defence. That is mutually exclusive from saying her family's first thought was to profit from it.

And, just FYI, it being as serious an offence as it is, no amount of money or celebrity status makes it go away.

[Prufrock]

Well, it does...

[Bijou Bob]

^^ bloody stupid?

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Can an ignorance of a faith to which I have no allegiance or little knowledge of result in a "Bloody stupid" comment? I think your rush to be angry......

And in respect of your comment about no amount of celebrity or money making it go away, it apparently did for 2 victims of a certain club's Christmas party, who were allegedly paid 60 grand each not to make complaints of rape. Sadly, that would also perhaps have meant Stu Holden not getting injured. It also worked for Stuart Hall, Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris for a long period of time.

[thebish]

A statue of a homeless Jesus sleeping on a park bench ( after the one by a Canadian sculptor) for every town? Just saw this idea mentioned on a T.V programme. Views?

Was Jesus homeless?? I know he renounced possessions and chattels, so presumably he spent his life couch surfing with apostles?

aye - and most definitions of "homeless" would include sofa-surfing - or even staying in temporary B&B. Homelessness is fairly widely defined in some places - and is certainly (in most statistics) a bigger category than simply those who sleep on the streets (or in this case - park benches). so... yes?

all of that is, of course, to miss the point of the sculpture - perhaps on purpose? The point of such a sculpture, surely, is to convey the idea that Jesus identified (identifies) with the most vulnerable in society - not to be a depiction of his own day-to-day living conditions.

[Lord Kangana]

I would suggest the Stuart Hall, Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris cases are precisely why now this would be nigh on impossible. It's not even the same as say 6 or 7 years ago.

[Prufrock]

Is there any suggestion that the victims in those cases were only in it for a cash pay out?

If, as you suggested, the girl and family were only in it for the pay off, it would have gone away. There's no conviction without her testimony and there's been no suggestion anyone else has come forward.

[Worthy4England]

^^ bloody stupid?

Edit: Original comment...

Can an ignorance of a faith to which I have no allegiance or little knowledge of result in a "Bloody stupid" comment? I think your rush to be angry......

And in respect of your comment about no amount of celebrity or money making it go away, it apparently did for 2 victims of a certain club's Christmas party, who were allegedly paid 60 grand each not to make complaints of rape. Sadly, that would also perhaps have meant Stu Holden not getting injured. It also worked for Stuart Hall, Jimmy Saville and Rolf Harris for a long period of time.

OIC, coz I cocked up, you think it's fine to blame me for some other buggers comments too?

[TANGODANCER]

Not getting into the homeless thing, it's too undefined and complex. As for Jesus being homeless I agree that the statue's sole point is that it is representative of the vulnerable and to draw preoples' attention to that fact (the view of its sculptor/creator) as between twelve and thirty no one knows what Jesus did beyond being a carpenters son and possibly a carpenter himself so specualtion is pointless anyway.

There are actually some people who even find it insulting to leave Jesus ( the statue) out in the rain. I feel a bit sorry for their intelligence actually, although my own didn't include knowing what sofa-surfing was till today.

[Lord Kangana]

Is there any suggestion that the victims in those cases were only in it for a cash pay out?

If, as you suggested, the girl and family were only in it for the pay off, it would have gone away. There's no conviction without her testimony and there's been no suggestion anyone else has come forward.

I've haven't suggested anything of the sort!

She got into it through an obsession with Adam Johnson. Her family didn't know.

[Bijou Bob]

Not getting into the homeless thing, it's too undefined and complex. As for Jesus being homeless I agree that the statue's sole point is that it is representative of the vulnerable and to draw preoples' attention to that fact (the view of its sculptor/creator) as between twelve and thirty no one knows what Jesus did beyond being a carpenters son and possibly a carpenter himself so specualtion is pointless anyway.

There are actually some people who even find it insulting to leave Jesus ( the statue) out in the rain. I feel a bit sorry for their intelligence actually, although my own didn't include knowing what sofa-surfing was till today.

Personally, (My flippant previous comments aside) I do feel that to have a statue from just one faith in our multicultural society, would be an affront to those from other faiths and possibly likely to promote further divisions.

[thebish]

Not getting into the homeless thing, it's too undefined and complex. As for Jesus being homeless I agree that the statue's sole point is that it is representative of the vulnerable and to draw preoples' attention to that fact (the view of its sculptor/creator) as between twelve and thirty no one knows what Jesus did beyond being a carpenters son and possibly a carpenter himself so specualtion is pointless anyway.

There are actually some people who even find it insulting to leave Jesus ( the statue) out in the rain. I feel a bit sorry for their intelligence actually, although my own didn't include knowing what sofa-surfing was till today.

Personally, (My flippant previous comments aside) I do feel that to have a statue from just one faith in our multicultural society, would be an affront to those from other faiths and possibly likely to promote further divisions.

is that what's happening? there is just allowed to be sculture from one faith? Also, I haven't seen any evidence that other faiths are or would be affronted by a sculpture of jesus on a bench... (in much the same way as other faiths are not offended by Christmas cards or Easter eggs - recent news coverage notwithstanding!)