Today I'm angry about.....

[Gary the Enfield]

Indicators are seen as a sign of weakness. Over taking in an inferior car deserving of being run off the road. Gouging your own eyes out rather than letting someone in. Seeing someone indicate to pull in to a gap means you must speed up to prevent them. If you wish to move into the inside lane to exit the road then you cannot move into a space behind the car in front of you, you have to overtake 7 cars and swerve over the lane in front of them.

That about sums my experience up of driving in that there London

I learned to drive in that there London - and after passing, spent a year driving a battered old transit van around central London...

when I took my new-found driving skillz back up North - my aggressive driving-style was frowned upon!

In London, if turning right onto a road, you pull out into the middle of the road and wait for a gap the other way. Oncoming traffic will slow and even stop to allow you to do this.

I tried this in Bolton and a driver, even though he was a couple of hundred yards away when I pulled out, accelerated and flashed his lights at me, expecting me (I think) to retreat. He ended up swerving around me into the oncoming traffic I was waiting to join.

aye - exactly the reaction I had! Also - what is a gap in London is not considered to be a gap in Bolton!

Pussies!

[bobo the clown]

The biggest difference I find down there is that drivers treat a red light as something that at least 3 cars should continue through.

If you see the lights change and actually, y'know STOP, you're likely to see cars behind you break hard and receive friendly waves from their drivers.

[thebish]

The biggest difference I find down there is that drivers treat a red light as something that at least 3 cars should continue through.

If you see the lights change and actually, y'know STOP, you're likely to see cars behind you break hard and receive friendly waves from their drivers.

surely red lights are just advisory??

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The biggest difference I find down there is that drivers treat a red light as something that at least 3 cars should continue through.

If you see the lights change and actually, y'know STOP, you're likely to see cars behind you break hard and receive friendly waves from their drivers.

surely red lights are just advisory??

They be indicators on many cars here. We've already established indicators is basically asking permission, so therefore red lights are optional. Eeek

[Worthy4England]

aye - exactly the reaction I had! Also - what is a gap in London is not considered to be a gap in Bolton!

Pussies!

I reckon this one's dead easy. If I've got right of way, I'm fine with you trying to judge whether there's a gap there.

[thebish]

aye - exactly the reaction I had! Also - what is a gap in London is not considered to be a gap in Bolton!

Pussies!

I reckon this one's dead easy. If I've got right of way, I'm fine with you trying to judge whether there's a gap there.

that's all we ask - no need to beep if no cars actually collided!

[Worthy4England]

aye - exactly the reaction I had! Also - what is a gap in London is not considered to be a gap in Bolton!

Pussies!

I reckon this one's dead easy. If I've got right of way, I'm fine with you trying to judge whether there's a gap there.

that's all we ask - no need to beep if no cars actually collided!

Indeed - your skid marks are your property.

[thebish]

BBC's young commentator of the year - every time I turn on R5 I get the adverts for it - and excruciating squeaky-voiced kids screeching out football commentary cliches...

go away all of you and come back when your voices have broken!

what? girls can enter too??? pah!

[Worthy4England]

The company from whom I ordered something a week ago, Friday, got an e-mail saying it had been dispatched on Monday and would arrive Tuesday to Thursday and then responded to my e-mail this Friday with "we didn't have any in stock, should be getting them next week, is that ok?". No. No it's not. You can stick it where the sun don't shine without any additional lubricant coz you're probably out of stock on that, too.

[LeverEnd]

BBC's young commentator of the year - every time I turn on R5 I get the adverts for it - and excruciating squeaky-voiced kids screeching out football commentary cliches...

go away all of you and come back when your voices have broken!

what? girls can enter too??? pah!

It was so annoying the other day I had to switch over to Alan Brazil.

[Enoch]

BBC's young commentator of the year - every time I turn on R5 I get the adverts for it - and excruciating squeaky-voiced kids screeching out football commentary cliches...

go away all of you and come back when your voices have broken!

what? girls can enter too??? pah!

It was so annoying the other day I had to switch over to Alan Brazil.

[Hoboh]

Jesus H Christ!

Is there nothing the bleeding heart club will stop moaning at?

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[Worthy4England]

Jesus H Christ!

Is there nothing the bleeding heart club will stop moaning at?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... riminatory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is moaning at stuff a good indication of being a bleeding heart?

I don't get why this should be a problem, particularly and sounds easy enough to make non-discriminatory by asking everyone arrested to prove their nationality...

[Bruce Rioja]

Jesus H Christ!

Is there nothing the bleeding heart club will stop moaning at?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... riminatory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is moaning at stuff a good indication of being a bleeding heart?

I don't get why this should be a problem, particularly and sounds easy enough to make non-discriminatory by asking everyone arrested to prove their nationality...

I think that, upon arrest, ascertaining a fellow's first language is perhaps more important than their nationality, but overall I'm with Worthy - if you ask everybody then who is it that's being discriminated against?

[thebish]

is this not just a bodge-it back-door attempt to do what the old proposals for an identity card did - except in a ham-fisted way?

[Worthy4England]

Jesus H Christ!

Is there nothing the bleeding heart club will stop moaning at?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... riminatory" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is moaning at stuff a good indication of being a bleeding heart?

I don't get why this should be a problem, particularly and sounds easy enough to make non-discriminatory by asking everyone arrested to prove their nationality...

I think that, upon arrest, ascertaining a fellow's first language is perhaps more important than their nationality, but overall I'm with Worthy - if you ask everybody then who is it that's being discriminated against?

That's sexism that is! Blatant!

[Hoboh]

is this not just a bodge-it back-door attempt to do what the old proposals for an identity card did - except in a ham-fisted way?

And what's wrong with ID cards?

After all most of the EU have them and we soooo need to belong and play a wholesome part of mass dehumanisation and beat democracy to death!

[thebish]

is this not just a bodge-it back-door attempt to do what the old proposals for an identity card did - except in a ham-fisted way?

And what's wrong with ID cards?

After all most of the EU have them and we soooo need to belong and play a wholesome part of mass dehumanisation and beat democracy to death!

i made no comment about the goodness or badness of id cards.

just pointing out that ID cards would have satisfied the condition that everyone had one and could have been asked to show it, regardless of colour - rather than this approach will probably boil down to only black and foreign-looking types being asked to prove nationality...

[Hoboh]

is this not just a bodge-it back-door attempt to do what the old proposals for an identity card did - except in a ham-fisted way?

And what's wrong with ID cards?

After all most of the EU have them and we soooo need to belong and play a wholesome part of mass dehumanisation and beat democracy to death!

i made no comment about the goodness or badness of id cards.

just pointing out that ID cards would have satisfied the condition that everyone had one and could have been asked to show it, regardless of colour - rather than this approach will probably boil down to only black and foreign-looking types being asked to prove nationality...

So white people with a eastern block look won't be asked then or those with accents?

[Worthy4England]

is this not just a bodge-it back-door attempt to do what the old proposals for an identity card did - except in a ham-fisted way?

And what's wrong with ID cards?

After all most of the EU have them and we soooo need to belong and play a wholesome part of mass dehumanisation and beat democracy to death!

i made no comment about the goodness or badness of id cards.

just pointing out that ID cards would have satisfied the condition that everyone had one and could have been asked to show it, regardless of colour - rather than this approach will probably boil down to only black and foreign-looking types being asked to prove nationality...

So white people with a eastern block look won't be asked then or those with accents?

Errr - what does one of them look like then?