Which muppet can we appoint next?

[TonyDomingos]

Since Lennon went Southend have played 14, lost 8, drawn 3, won 3 - in other words, 12pts from 14. Up to that point they'd got 36pts from 30 games and were 7th, while Oldham (a month into John Sheridan's reign) were second-bottom on 22pts. There's now a possibility Oldham will bypass Southend - they're five points behind (17th to Southend's 13th) with two games left.

In the period since we sacked Lennon, Southend have the sixth-worst form in League One, Oldham have the fifth-best, Rochdale the third-best. Since Sheridan has been at Oldham they have the seventh-best record.

If winning 3 in 14 is as bad as it gets under Browny, than I'm all for bringing him in!

[palekm08]

Just remember the hardest thing after getting promoted is staying up. The fact that at one stage Southend where real contenders for back to back promotion should say a lot. Plus if we PB lets just hope he brings in Payne and Bentley who are free transfers at the end of the season, and absolute class players. But one can only dream...

[Bruce Rioja]

Brown: "The players have looked uncertain and unsure since the Bolton speculation and it’s up to me to resolve that with the chairman.": "I’m not being big headed but it’s the same as what’s happened with Pellegrini."

What with Southend being in the semi finals of the Champions League, the clueless orange c*nt.

Go on then you'd rather have who exactly....

I'm backing Browny 100%, the reason Southend have done feck all since Feb is that PB's had one eye on the BWFC job.

I'll back it up with a bet for Charity - if we get PB I'll bet you £200 that we'll be top 6 by Nov

I'll draw up a list, shall I? Your assertion that Bown's "Bolton through and through", so was Nat Lofthouse. As is Jimmy Phillips. That's no more a managerial qualification than Ian Dowie living on Chorley New Road. Utterly ridiculous.

[thebish]

It looks like its a done deal and Phil Brown is on his way - he has apparently said post match that he needs to sort out his future with the Southend chairman ASAP and also the Southend fans had a big 'Brown Out' banner at Wigan today.

that's encouraging!!

[thebish]

Brown: "The players have looked uncertain and unsure since the Bolton speculation and it’s up to me to resolve that with the chairman.": "I’m not being big headed but it’s the same as what’s happened with Pellegrini."

What with Southend being in the semi finals of the Champions League, the clueless orange c*nt.

[bobo the clown]

What's Roy MacFarland doing ?

[BWFC_Insane]

Brown: "The players have looked uncertain and unsure since the Bolton speculation and it’s up to me to resolve that with the chairman.": "I’m not being big headed but it’s the same as what’s happened with Pellegrini."

What with Southend being in the semi finals of the Champions League, the clueless orange c*nt.

Go on then you'd rather have who exactly....

I'm backing Browny 100%, the reason Southend have done feck all since Feb is that PB's had one eye on the BWFC job.

I'll back it up with a bet for Charity - if we get PB I'll bet you £200 that we'll be top 6 by Nov

I'll draw up a list, shall I? Your assertion that Bown's "Bolton through and through", so was Nat Lofthouse. As is Jimmy Phillips. That's no more a managerial qualification than Ian Dowie living on Chorley New Road. Utterly ridiculous.

He has actually been successful at clubs where there has been little money though. And relatively recently. He has a decent amount of experience.

Unlike others you mention.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles ran a Twitter poll: Brown, Nolan/Reid, or None Of The Above?
With 1k+ votes, it went 50% PB, 15% KN/PR, 35% NotA.

Take from that what you will. Some would say 50% is a decent mandate, but then again 35% is a big wodge of "Dear Lord, is that it?" Most (statistically) significant is the lack of faith in the Scouse Dream Team.

[Worthy4England]

I'm fairly sure if it was formulaic, whoever had the formula would have been flogging it on the open market by now.

It'll come down to luck. I don't actually care much who they pick. I do care about the results and the ability to jettison managers that aren't getting them fairly quickly. I don't accept that we won't be competing on "even terms" wage-wise in League 1 if the budget's Anderson talked about actually come to fruition. I do understand that there has been little we could do about our underlying wage problems the last couple of years - the die was cast prior to that - so probably the right amount of wage budget (or way over the right amount if you want to look at it like that) but constrained by it being tied up on long term Contracts and in the wrong places

To be in the "good club", they're almost certainly going to have to hit a win rate above 40%. Of our managers since Allardyce nearest to that was Freedman @ 35% but that's still lower than Phil Neal and some way off Rioch @ 48%. As for the Marc Iles twitter poll, Owen Coyle was a pretty well backed choice. The problem wasn't employing him, it was not sacking the fecker quick enough.

[Bruce Rioja]

He has actually been successful at clubs where there has been little money though. And relatively recently. He has a decent amount of experience.

Unlike others you mention.

I haven't said otherwise, but I still don't rate him. I listened to the first half commentary from Southend's game at Wigan yesterday and they were never at the races. That was 'experienced' Phil Brown up against some young shaver still cutting his teeth. My response to PT was to do with this assertion that being "Bolton through and through" is some kind of qualification. I think it was Hoboh that said Gary Neville might be worth a punt by dint of him living up by the Grey Mare. Yeay!

[Peter Thompson]

He has actually been successful at clubs where there has been little money though. And relatively recently. He has a decent amount of experience.

Unlike others you mention.

I haven't said otherwise, but I still don't rate him. I listened to the first half commentary from Southend's game at Wigan yesterday and they were never at the races. That was 'experienced' Phil Brown up against some young shaver still cutting his teeth. My response to PT was to do with this assertion that being "Bolton through and through" is some kind of qualification. I think it was Hoboh that said Gary Neville might be worth a punt by dint of him living up by the Grey Mare. Yeay!

It wasn't & isn't a qualification & wasn't said in isolation either - it was just one of a number of points made regarding Phil Brown, I just made the point that he still loves the club in regards to attempting to galvanise the club - I also said in the same post that he's got a lot of managerial experience & he knows the lower leagues - he'll know what we need, he'll know that we need leaders / stronger characters on the pitch next season.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I don't accept that we won't be competing on "even terms" wage-wise in League 1 if the budget's Anderson talked about actually come to fruition.

If the assertion on that link I posted is true - about the avg third-tier wage being below £2kpw - then the budget Anderson mentioned is plenty big enough. It will of course be affected by how many living-stealers we're still carrying, on wages approved under the last two managers. And there's the rub: although a lot of blame still lies with Coyle, I don't think there's a single contract left that was signed under his stewardship. This is now Freedman's and Lennon's financial overhang. And on it will go: whoever the next manager is, he'll sign some dumb-ass we can't get rid of, because they always do: player contracts last longer than managerial reigns, and a gaffer with a 100% hit-rate wouldn't be working for us.

[Bruce Rioja]

he's got a lot of managerial experience & he knows the lower leagues

Me too. I spent 10 years on the Paddock watching shite players like Phil Brown in the lower divisions. Hey, I've got management experience too. I'll get my CV in

When he was coach at our placed it always baffled me that a player from Hartlepool and Halifax was coaching players from Real Madrid and Inter Milan. Anyway, let's have a look at the chemically treated one's management career to date;

Derby - An unmitigated disaster. Sacked after seven months.

Hull - Still dining out on his initial success. Eventually found out to be an unmitigated disaster. When he was sacked at Hull his team of 'leaders and strong characters' were bottom of the Fair Play League as well as bottom of the table. Further embarrassed by making an absolute nice person of himself on international television.

Preston - With his 'lower league experience' springing to the fore here, he was, once again, an unmitigated disaster and was sacked after 11 months.

This was followed by two years down at The Solar Lounge.

Southend - After some initial decent results the pattern re-emerges. Now we hear that the Southend board are ready to cut their losses and sack the unmitigated disaster rather than hang on to see if they can get some compo out of us.

So yeah, All good.

[Bijou Bob]

Interesting though the form book undoubtedly is, it's no guide at all to what the future may hold. Of our last 3 managers, all had successful backgrounds with solid achievement elsewhere. Likewise, DF had a reasonable season at Forest and I've no doubt that Lennon will achieve results at another club in future. The bottom line is that the appointment of a manager is a lottery. We're due at least a tenner from the next ticket, but Worthy's point will be critical; if the new guy isn't succeeding, then change must come quickly, so I'd expect a contract that is no longer than 2 years or is solidly based on results with a clause to get rid without compensation if for example, we are in the bottom half by Christmas.

[BWFC_Insane]

he's got a lot of managerial experience & he knows the lower leagues

Me too. I spent 10 years on the Paddock watching shite players like Phil Brown in the lower divisions. Hey, I've got management experience too. I'll get my CV in

When he was coach at our placed it always baffled me that a player from Hartlepool and Halifax was coaching players from Real Madrid and Inter Milan. Anyway, let's have a look at the chemically treated one's management career to date;

Derby - An unmitigated disaster. Sacked after seven months.

Hull - Still dining out on his initial success. Eventually found out to be an unmitigated disaster. When he was sacked at Hull his team of 'leaders and strong characters' were bottom of the Fair Play League as well as bottom of the table. Further embarrassed by making an absolute tw*t of himself on international television.

Preston - With his 'lower league experience' springing to the fore here, he was, once again, an unmitigated disaster and was sacked after 11 months.

This was followed by two years down at The Solar Lounge.

Southend - After some initial decent results the pattern re-emerges. Now we hear that the Southend board are ready to cut their losses and sack the unmitigated disaster rather than hang on to see if they can get some compo out of us.

So yeah, All good.

What he did at Hull was equivalent to what Rioch did here. Plenty of fans at other clubs he managed would call Rioch an unmitigated disaster.

Point is that your slightly one eyed analysis doesnt make him a bad manager. His career may be mixed, but I'd rather have that than someone with zero experience.

Bloke at Wigan has had one season with a budget that exceeds the rest of that division for example. I don think we can say whether he's any good or not.

Furthermore if Browny did come and take us up and keep us there id be very happy with that unmitigated disaster....

[Bruce Rioja]

Point is that your slightly one eyed analysis doesnt make him a bad manager. His career may be mixed, but I'd rather have that than someone with zero experience.

One eyed analysis? Go and boil your head. I've posted up the facts, Sunny Jim. That the facts don't fit your yearning is neither here nor there.

Now then, how much prior managerial experience had millado at Wigan had before they installed him? That'll be none then.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink had had a solitary year at Antwerp before joining Burton. Look where they are now, built on what he did before leaving for QPR.

So you're talking out of your hat. Phil Brown has proved again and again that managerially he's an unmitigated disaster, but you think that all of a sudden he'll come good at our place? Dear me.

[thebish]

He has actually been successful at clubs where there has been little money though. And relatively recently. He has a decent amount of experience.

Unlike others you mention.

I haven't said otherwise, but I still don't rate him. I listened to the first half commentary from Southend's game at Wigan yesterday and they were never at the races. That was 'experienced' Phil Brown up against some young shaver still cutting his teeth. My response to PT was to do with this assertion that being "Bolton through and through" is some kind of qualification. I think it was Hoboh that said Gary Neville might be worth a punt by dint of him living up by the Grey Mare. Yeay!

I'm with you, Bruce... i don't want Brown...

problem is - I can't find any real rational reason to dismiss him other than my suspicion of going back to the past and that I naturally distrust people who seem to make an effort to appear tanned - and that I don't like his face... (all of which seems thin basis for rejecting a manager!)

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

To be completely fair, Bruce, you haven't posted facts, you've posted your interpretation of events.

The facts include two promotions and a 40% win rate at Southend. They also include a relegation at Preston (win rate 29.4%) and a 21%-winrate spell at Derby.

My opinion, from those facts and others, is that he isn't a guaranteed success (but nobody is). I would still like to consider other options (personally: Hill and Sheridan) but I think we could do a lot worse - like, for example, Nolan and Reid, a greenhorn riding a dinosaur.

[thebish]

Interesting though the form book undoubtedly is, it's no guide at all to what the future may hold.

abso-fecking-lutely.... I think it's pretty much a lottery!

[BWFC_Insane]

Point is that your slightly one eyed analysis doesnt make him a bad manager. His career may be mixed, but I'd rather have that than someone with zero experience.

One eyed analysis? Go and boil your head. I've posted up the facts, Sunny Jim. That the facts don't fit your yearning is neither here nor there.

Now then, how much prior managerial experience had millado at Wigan had before they installed him? That'll be none then.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink had had a solitary year at Antwerp before joining Burton. Look where they are now, built on what he did before leaving for QPR.

So you're talking out of your hat. Phil Brown has proved again and again that managerially he's an unmitigated disaster, but you think that all of a sudden he'll come good at our place? Dear me.

I can only suggest you go and look up a dictionary definition of 'fact'.

You call taking Hull into the top flight for the first time in god knows how long and keeping them there for a season against all the odds an unmitigated disaster. That is not a fact it is merely your, rather ridiculous opinion.

Had Rioch stayed and not managed to keep us up in our first premiership season would that make him an unmitigated disaster?

Brown has had two good managerial spells and two poor ones. A mixed career. There may be mitigation for some of the poorer spells. There may be some luck involved in his better ones.

But he has done well at clubs without huge comparative spending power. That surely fits the profile and anyone with experience is likely to have failed somewhere along the line.

Furthermore your Wigqn comparison is pointless. He's had a fortune to spend there relatively. And what if he brings them straight back down? Does he go back to unmitigated disaster? Or do you just make up those definitions as you go along to suit your own view?