Which muppet can we appoint next?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

One other note, on the "sunbed" thing. There's no easy way to put this, so I'll just point out that there's a century-old, comparatively sizeable Yemeni community in South Shields. As far as I can see he's not mentioned it himself, and it's not really any of our business, but it's perhaps worth considering.

[thebish]

One other note, on the "sunbed" thing. There's no easy way to put this, so I'll just point out that there's a century-old, comparatively sizeable Yemeni community in South Shields. As far as I can see he's not mentioned it himself, and it's not really any of our business, but it's perhaps worth considering.

I didn't know that! (and I lived around there 20rs ago!!)

I shall cease and desist from such references!

I don't like his face, though!

[Bruce Rioja]

Point is that your slightly one eyed analysis doesnt make him a bad manager. His career may be mixed, but I'd rather have that than someone with zero experience.

One eyed analysis? Go and boil your head. I've posted up the facts, Sunny Jim. That the facts don't fit your yearning is neither here nor there.

Now then, how much prior managerial experience had millado at Wigan had before they installed him? That'll be none then.

Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink had had a solitary year at Antwerp before joining Burton. Look where they are now, built on what he did before leaving for QPR.

So you're talking out of your hat. Phil Brown has proved again and again that managerially he's an unmitigated disaster, but you think that all of a sudden he'll come good at our place? Dear me.

I can only suggest you go and look up a dictionary definition of 'fact'.

You call taking Hull into the top flight for the first time in god knows how long and keeping them there for a season against all the odds an unmitigated disaster. That is not a fact it is merely your, rather ridiculous opinion.

Had Rioch stayed and not managed to keep us up in our first premiership season would that make him an unmitigated disaster?

Brown has had two good managerial spells and two poor ones. A mixed career. There may be mitigation for some of the poorer spells. There may be some luck involved in his better ones.

But he has done well at clubs without huge comparative spending power. That surely fits the profile and anyone with experience is likely to have failed somewhere along the line.

Furthermore your Wigqn comparison is pointless. He's had a fortune to spend there relatively. And what if he brings them straight back down? Does he go back to unmitigated disaster? Or do you just make up those definitions as you go along to suit your own view?

It's a waste of time attempting to discuss anything with you. Ridiculous opinion? Yes he was sacked because of his success, obviously

I shan't bother reading the rest as it'll just be more of your usual drivel.

[BWFC_Insane]

It's a waste of time attempting to discuss anything with you. Ridiculous opinion? Yes he was sacked because of his success, obviously

I shan't bother reading the rest as it'll just be more of your usual drivel.

1) Managers get sacked now based on short term results rather than long term performance

2) I'd be very happy for him to take us up and stabilise us before being sacked. Very happy indeed.

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up. Either way, it might be nice if you drew up some realistic alternatives to Brown so we can examine their careers similarly.

[thebish]

It's a waste of time attempting to discuss anything with you. Ridiculous opinion? Yes he was sacked because of his success, obviously

I shan't bother reading the rest as it'll just be more of your usual drivel.

1) Managers get sacked now based on short term results rather than long term performance

2) I'd be very happy for him to take us up and stabilise us before being sacked. Very happy indeed.

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up. Either way, it might be nice if you drew up some realistic alternatives to Brown so we can examine their careers similarly.

I'd like to see this very happy BWFC_Insane!

[Bruce Rioja]

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up.

The richest post in the entire history of this site. feck me.

So, because I disagree with you it's ME that has a highly inflated self-opinion or is on some wind up? The irony-o-metre's giving off fecking sparks!

[palekm08]

he's got a lot of managerial experience & he knows the lower leagues

Me too. I spent 10 years on the Paddock watching shite players like Phil Brown in the lower divisions. Hey, I've got management experience too. I'll get my CV in

When he was coach at our placed it always baffled me that a player from Hartlepool and Halifax was coaching players from Real Madrid and Inter Milan. Anyway, let's have a look at the chemically treated one's management career to date;

Derby - An unmitigated disaster. Sacked after seven months.

Hull - Still dining out on his initial success. Eventually found out to be an unmitigated disaster. When he was sacked at Hull his team of 'leaders and strong characters' were bottom of the Fair Play League as well as bottom of the table. Further embarrassed by making an absolute tw*t of himself on international television.

Preston - With his 'lower league experience' springing to the fore here, he was, once again, an unmitigated disaster and was sacked after 11 months.

This was followed by two years down at The Solar Lounge.

Southend - After some initial decent results the pattern re-emerges. Now we hear that the Southend board are ready to cut their losses and sack the unmitigated disaster rather than hang on to see if they can get some compo out of us.

So yeah, All good.

The reason i want PB is because of his passion for the club. Its not the same passion Lennon had, its returning to your former club, its a different passion its more meaningful. Exactly like Slaven Bilic and west ham.

Look at his record, at Croatia he was successful for the first 3 years, before getting smacked 5-1 by england, and having average perfomances before leaving croatia.

Moved to Lokomotiva Moskva, finished mid table and got the sack, and now they're fighting for the championship

Went to beskitas, finished 3rd two years in a row, and mildly succeeded in the europa cup, beating tottenham and liverpool before loosing to club bruge. Beskitas now are 1st without bilic

Now he's at west ham (whom he used to play for), fighting for champions league, has beaten all the typical top 4 teams.

These comparisons are comparable to which you have stated. In in regards to Southend, the hardest part of promotion is staying up next season, the fact he was on the verge of the play offs with a team on a budget shows how much he has done. And for Hull, http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 78606.html just have a read of that. If he is to get sacked its because of the Bolton rumors , not due to his recent form. If PB was to return i can see greater things ahead.

[TKIZ!]

Bunch of out of work managers here:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/ ... /statistik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[BWFC_Insane]

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up.

The richest post in the entire history of this site. feck me.

So, because I disagree with you it's ME that has a highly inflated self-opinion or is on some wind up? The irony-o-metre's giving off fecking sparks!

Well you are the one telling people to go and boil their heads, or blustering about facts that aren't anymore than opinion.

You seem to get incredibly angry if someone disagrees with you. Or at least you post angry words, which may be entirely different. But either way I have no problem with a disagreement, but to assert that you labelling something as an 'unmitigated diasaster' makes it fact is somewhat indicative of an over-inflated self opinion, is it not?

[Bruce Rioja]

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up.

The richest post in the entire history of this site. feck me.

So, because I disagree with you it's ME that has a highly inflated self-opinion or is on some wind up? The irony-o-metre's giving off fecking sparks!

Well you are the one telling people to go and boil their heads, or blustering about facts that aren't anymore than opinion.

You seem to get incredibly angry if someone disagrees with you. Or at least you post angry words, which may be entirely different. But either way I have no problem with a disagreement, but to assert that you labelling something as an 'unmitigated diasaster' makes it fact is somewhat indicative of an over-inflated self opinion, is it not?

Oh, so giving details as to how long he's managed to stay in a position for is nothing other than opinion, is it? And my opinion that nobody ever got sacked for doing well is ridiculous is it? I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with me. What I do have a problem with is arseholes like you who put their opinion forward like it's some authorised version of events and immediately attempt (very poorly, by the way) to discredit others. You're very annoying.

[Bijou Bob]

Bunch of out of work managers here:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/ ... /statistik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting list that! Gary Monks anyone? Or is he on gardening leave? He had a good start at Swansea but found his goalscorers sold from under him. He certainly got them well organised.

[BWFC_Insane]

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up.

The richest post in the entire history of this site. feck me.

So, because I disagree with you it's ME that has a highly inflated self-opinion or is on some wind up? The irony-o-metre's giving off fecking sparks!

Well you are the one telling people to go and boil their heads, or blustering about facts that aren't anymore than opinion.

You seem to get incredibly angry if someone disagrees with you. Or at least you post angry words, which may be entirely different. But either way I have no problem with a disagreement, but to assert that you labelling something as an 'unmitigated diasaster' makes it fact is somewhat indicative of an over-inflated self opinion, is it not?

Oh, so giving details as to how long he's managed to stay in a position for is nothing other than opinion, is it? And my opinion that nobody ever got sacked for doing well is ridiculous is it? I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with me. What I do have a problem with is arseholes like you who put their opinion forward like it's some authorised version of events and immediately attempt (very poorly, by the way) to discredit others. You're very annoying.

Labelling something as an unmitigated disaster and calling that a fact is a bit silly. You surely have to concede that?

As an aside would you be unhappy with the job he did at Hull or Southend transferring here? Promotion?

Edit: as for presenting an authorised version of events, I ask you, who here is demanding their opinion entered into the record as fact? It most certainly isn't I.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Bunch of out of work managers here:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/ ... /statistik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting list that! Gary Monks anyone? Or is he on gardening leave? He had a good start at Swansea but found his goalscorers sold from under him. He certainly got them well organised.

Reasonable as the job was that Monk (singular!) did at Swansea, I really think we need someone with lower-league nous.

[Bruce Rioja]

3) You either have a highly inflated opinion of yourself or are on some sort of weird wind up.

The richest post in the entire history of this site. feck me.

So, because I disagree with you it's ME that has a highly inflated self-opinion or is on some wind up? The irony-o-metre's giving off fecking sparks!

Well you are the one telling people to go and boil their heads, or blustering about facts that aren't anymore than opinion.

You seem to get incredibly angry if someone disagrees with you. Or at least you post angry words, which may be entirely different. But either way I have no problem with a disagreement, but to assert that you labelling something as an 'unmitigated diasaster' makes it fact is somewhat indicative of an over-inflated self opinion, is it not?

Oh, so giving details as to how long he's managed to stay in a position for is nothing other than opinion, is it? And my opinion that nobody ever got sacked for doing well is ridiculous is it? I have no problem with anybody disagreeing with me. What I do have a problem with is arseholes like you who put their opinion forward like it's some authorised version of events and immediately attempt (very poorly, by the way) to discredit others. You're very annoying.

Labelling something as an unmitigated disaster and calling that a fact is a bit silly. You surely have to concede that?

As an aside would you be unhappy with the job he did at Hull or Southend transferring here? Promotion?

Every job he's ever had has ended in unmitigated disaster. The records speak for themselves. Getting promoted is one thing, the disaster that follows, another. To not realise that is a bit silly. You surely have to concede that?

Look, you fancy the idea of Brown as manager and I don't. I most certainly don't.

[Worthy4England]

Bunch of out of work managers here:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/trainer/ ... /statistik" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Interesting list that! Gary Monks anyone? Or is he on gardening leave? He had a good start at Swansea but found his goalscorers sold from under him. He certainly got them well organised.

We could certainly convince him, that wasn't going to happen - just by showing him our list of top scorers.

[BWFC_Insane]

Every job he's ever had has ended in unmitigated disaster. The records speak for themselves. Getting promoted is one thing, the disaster that follows, another. To not realise that is a bit silly. You surely have to concede that?

Look, you fancy the idea of Brown as manager and I don't. I most certainly don't.

How is leaving a club in a far better league position than the one he took it over anything like an 'unmitigated disaster'?

If that is your definition of unmitigated disaster then I will take that every time.

[Bruce Rioja]

Every job he's ever had has ended in unmitigated disaster. The records speak for themselves. Getting promoted is one thing, the disaster that follows, another. To not realise that is a bit silly. You surely have to concede that?

Look, you fancy the idea of Brown as manager and I don't. I most certainly don't.

How is leaving a club in a far better league position than the one he took it over anything like an 'unmitigated disaster'?

If that is your definition of unmitigated disaster then I will take that every time.

Good for you. Give details.

[thebish]

an unmitigated disaster is (surely) a disaster where there are no plus points at all to be counted...

a mitigated disaster (surely) is summat that ended badly but there were some good points along the way to point to...

I think it might be harsh (with those defintions) to describe Brown's mangerial career as an unmitigated disaster... but I still don't like his face!

[Bruce Rioja]

an unmitigated disaster is (surely) a disaster where there are no plus points at all to be counted...

a mitigated disaster (surely) is summat that ended badly but there were some good points along the way to point to...

I think it might be harsh (with those defintions) to describe Brown's mangerial career as an unmitigated disaster... but I still don't like his face!

Derby. Preston. At the very least.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He left Hull in a higher position and a higher league; same for Southend. His spells at those clubs were not unmitigated disasters, and therefore neither is his career as a whole. A mix of success and failure? Sure. But he has had success.