Brexit or Britin

[bedwetter2]

Given the level of debate has largely managed to encompass the Outers shouting Foul Ref! 15 times an hour, like a posse of Arsenal fans, there's nowt better to do other than let them think it's really important and watch 'em squeal back.

I don't for one minute think this as wide apart a the polls seem to be suggesting. If I was anything to do with remain, I'd be commissioning a few polls of UKIP supporters to be showing out was way in front.

Some people in the out camp have made 20 year careers of saying lets leave the EU and the best they've managed in all that time is a strategy that says Foul, Ref! And we're supposed to believe they'd have the foggiest notion what to do first if they won?

Foul, Ref? Unbelievable, Jeff.

Massive exaggeration alert.

I don't care alert.

That's the problem with you Inners, you just can't get passionate about anything......talk about limp

[Worthy4England]

Given the level of debate has largely managed to encompass the Outers shouting Foul Ref! 15 times an hour, like a posse of Arsenal fans, there's nowt better to do other than let them think it's really important and watch 'em squeal back.

I don't for one minute think this as wide apart a the polls seem to be suggesting. If I was anything to do with remain, I'd be commissioning a few polls of UKIP supporters to be showing out was way in front.

Some people in the out camp have made 20 year careers of saying lets leave the EU and the best they've managed in all that time is a strategy that says Foul, Ref! And we're supposed to believe they'd have the foggiest notion what to do first if they won?

Foul, Ref? Unbelievable, Jeff.

Massive exaggeration alert.

I don't care alert.

That's the problem with you Inners, you just can't get passionate about anything......talk about limp

I'm like a regular Don Juan. Now you lot of course want to stop other Don Juan's coming in from European countries, which is bound to lower my performance against European competition. Blokes from Newcastle just don't up my game. I'm a bit worried about Enoch though.

[thebish]

If Obama had said things you guys disagreed with we'd still be hearing the squealing. Especially funny to read those who'd normally want nowt to do with the US.

b..b..b..but - you're still undecided whether you agree or not, surely...??? errr....

what's the issue here Bobes? Do you REALLY think that trade issues between the UK and the US is no business of the US?? really??

If the UK voted to leave, which I don't believe it will, then it's contingent on our allies to discuss ... in a constructive and civilised manner ... options. Those options need be no more disadvantageous with the newly separated state than they were previously.

so.... it IS the business of the US? If we are discussing those possibilities in advance - why shouldn't they?

[thebish]

If me having an opinion is OK with you and everything of course.

I think - bizarrely - you are confusing being allowed to have an opinion with someone asking a question about or disagreeing with your opinion.... If someone disagrees with your opinion or asks you a straightforward question about it - that does not mean they are banning you from having an opinion or saying you shouldn't have one. (that's - to use your language - talking like a petulant 6th former!)

(either that or - more likely - it's the old smokescreen tactic of distraction when you don't really want to discuss your opinion - which is fine - except, this is a discussion forum, so discussing opinions that are presented isn't a weird thing to propose!)

[Hoboh]

If the vote goes in, Hobes' sun will never rise again, he'll possibly soil himself and his position on this forum will be untenable......or at least largely pointless.

I'll just sit back and watch all the apologists squirm when TTIP arrives, their local facilities collapse, people on benefits lose money to bring them in line with the EU, the city gets a good regulation stuffing, Germany gets richer and we can forget handouts from the EU because they are busy for the next few decades funding migration, Turks and Islam booms and our armed forces end up in the firing line because of dick heads like the Poles and other Baltic countries keep provoking Russia.
Yep, a great future remaining, to line the pockets of the neo-con multi nationals, the EU council led by the Germans will start to dictate who governs where and you will NEVER, EVER, again get a chance to leave.

In the words of Jean-Claude Juncker: “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”.

That should send a chill right to the core of anyone who votes to remain, yet pleads they believe in democracy.

The sun will still rise in hoboh land and set, the tide will rise and fall, the only difference will be the chill winds from the continent, blowing gales of dictatorship through the mother of democracy's land.

[Bijou Bob]

If the vote goes in, Hobes' sun will never rise again, he'll possibly soil himself and his position on this forum will be untenable......or at least largely pointless.

I'll just sit back and watch all the apologists squirm when TTIP arrives, their local facilities collapse, people on benefits lose money to bring them in line with the EU, the city gets a good regulation stuffing, Germany gets richer and we can forget handouts from the EU because they are busy for the next few decades funding migration, Turks and Islam booms and our armed forces end up in the firing line because of dick heads like the Poles and other Baltic countries keep provoking Russia.
Yep, a great future remaining, to line the pockets of the neo-con multi nationals, the EU council led by the Germans will start to dictate who governs where and you will NEVER, EVER, again get a chance to leave.

In the words of Jean-Claude Juncker: “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”.

That should send a chill right to the core of anyone who votes to remain, yet pleads they believe in democracy.

The sun will still rise in hoboh land and set, the tide will rise and fall, the only difference will be the chill winds from the continent, blowing gales of dictatorship through the mother of democracy's land.

I don't care, I'll be off to live in Portugal, where apparently, I can now have my pension paid tax free for 10 years. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to look at this is from an entirely selfish perspective. It'll suit me far better to stay in, so that's it I think, decision made.

[Hoboh]

If the vote goes in, Hobes' sun will never rise again, he'll possibly soil himself and his position on this forum will be untenable......or at least largely pointless.

I'll just sit back and watch all the apologists squirm when TTIP arrives, their local facilities collapse, people on benefits lose money to bring them in line with the EU, the city gets a good regulation stuffing, Germany gets richer and we can forget handouts from the EU because they are busy for the next few decades funding migration, Turks and Islam booms and our armed forces end up in the firing line because of dick heads like the Poles and other Baltic countries keep provoking Russia.
Yep, a great future remaining, to line the pockets of the neo-con multi nationals, the EU council led by the Germans will start to dictate who governs where and you will NEVER, EVER, again get a chance to leave.

In the words of Jean-Claude Juncker: “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”.

That should send a chill right to the core of anyone who votes to remain, yet pleads they believe in democracy.

The sun will still rise in hoboh land and set, the tide will rise and fall, the only difference will be the chill winds from the continent, blowing gales of dictatorship through the mother of democracy's land.

I don't care, I'll be off to live in Portugal, where apparently, I can now have my pension paid tax free for 10 years. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to look at this is from an entirely selfish perspective. It'll suit me far better to stay in, so that's it I think, decision made.

Nice idea but if the UK votes out, according to the scare monger's, ex-pats will be forced out of EU countries

[thebish]

If the vote goes in, Hobes' sun will never rise again, he'll possibly soil himself and his position on this forum will be untenable......or at least largely pointless.

I'll just sit back and watch all the apologists squirm when TTIP arrives, their local facilities collapse, people on benefits lose money to bring them in line with the EU, the city gets a good regulation stuffing, Germany gets richer and we can forget handouts from the EU because they are busy for the next few decades funding migration, Turks and Islam booms and our armed forces end up in the firing line because of dick heads like the Poles and other Baltic countries keep provoking Russia.
Yep, a great future remaining, to line the pockets of the neo-con multi nationals, the EU council led by the Germans will start to dictate who governs where and you will NEVER, EVER, again get a chance to leave.

In the words of Jean-Claude Juncker: “There can be no democratic choice against the European treaties”.

That should send a chill right to the core of anyone who votes to remain, yet pleads they believe in democracy.

The sun will still rise in hoboh land and set, the tide will rise and fall, the only difference will be the chill winds from the continent, blowing gales of dictatorship through the mother of democracy's land.

I don't care, I'll be off to live in Portugal, where apparently, I can now have my pension paid tax free for 10 years. I've come to the conclusion that the only way to look at this is from an entirely selfish perspective. It'll suit me far better to stay in, so that's it I think, decision made.

Nice idea but if the UK votes out, according to the scare monger's, ex-pats will be forced out of EU countries

errrrr... maybe that's why he said he's voting to stay in??

[Bijou Bob]

And the ex-pat's won't be forced out of anywhere. No government is going to force out several tens of millions of sterling in inward investment. In parts of Spain, it'd have catastrophic consequences for a lot of communities which are already suffering from 25% youth unemployment. The Portugese are actively seeking investment by offering tax breaks to EU citizens. If we vote 'Out', it might have some tax implications, hence another reason to vote 'In'. Cheers!

[malcd1]

Allies. What a quaint notion.

Perhaps you need to google (or bing, I don't wish to prejudice) The Suez Crisis.

And I suspect a US President will do whatever suits America. Why the f*ck anyone would imagine that involved giving us preferential treatment is, unfortunately, living in a world that no longer exists - if indeed it ever did. Which it probably didn't, but lets tackle one misconception at once.

That's my thoughts on it as well. The US doesn't care about the EU or the UK. It only cares about itself and so it must be good for them for us to remain in the EU.

My gut feeling is to stay in but I have not made my mind up yet. The opinion of someone from the US, who will be leaving office soon, will not sway my opinion one way or the other.

[thebish]

Allies. What a quaint notion.

Perhaps you need to google (or bing, I don't wish to prejudice) The Suez Crisis.

And I suspect a US President will do whatever suits America. Why the f*ck anyone would imagine that involved giving us preferential treatment is, unfortunately, living in a world that no longer exists - if indeed it ever did. Which it probably didn't, but lets tackle one misconception at once.

That's my thoughts on it as well. The US doesn't care about the EU or the UK. It only cares about itself and so it must be good for them for us to remain in the EU.

My gut feeling is to stay in but I have not made my mind up yet. The opinion of someone from the US, who will be leaving office soon, will not sway my opinion one way or the other.

Hilary has also said she'd prefer it if we stayed in... (if that helps!! )

[Bijou Bob]

She'd probably have been happier had Bill kept it in too. Would have saved a whole lotta hassle.

[Lord Kangana]

Perhaps if Trump gets in he could teach us how to build a wall around this island but get those johnny foreigners to pay for it.

[Prufrock]

[malcd1]

Allies. What a quaint notion.

Perhaps you need to google (or bing, I don't wish to prejudice) The Suez Crisis.

And I suspect a US President will do whatever suits America. Why the f*ck anyone would imagine that involved giving us preferential treatment is, unfortunately, living in a world that no longer exists - if indeed it ever did. Which it probably didn't, but lets tackle one misconception at once.

That's my thoughts on it as well. The US doesn't care about the EU or the UK. It only cares about itself and so it must be good for them for us to remain in the EU.

My gut feeling is to stay in but I have not made my mind up yet. The opinion of someone from the US, who will be leaving office soon, will not sway my opinion one way or the other.

Hilary has also said she'd prefer it if we stayed in... (if that helps!! )

Why has no one mentioned this before! That is a game changer.

[Hoboh]

Allies. What a quaint notion.

Perhaps you need to google (or bing, I don't wish to prejudice) The Suez Crisis.

And I suspect a US President will do whatever suits America. Why the f*ck anyone would imagine that involved giving us preferential treatment is, unfortunately, living in a world that no longer exists - if indeed it ever did. Which it probably didn't, but lets tackle one misconception at once.

That's my thoughts on it as well. The US doesn't care about the EU or the UK. It only cares about itself and so it must be good for them for us to remain in the EU.

My gut feeling is to stay in but I have not made my mind up yet. The opinion of someone from the US, who will be leaving office soon, will not sway my opinion one way or the other.

Hilary has also said she'd prefer it if we stayed in... (if that helps!! )

[thebish]

^ classy!

[Bruce Rioja]

[Worthy4England]

[Harry Genshaw]

Hoboh you've 'pulled an Enfield' there.

I don't follow the connection between Hilary Clinton and Sven Goran Erriksson either