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[thebish]

...maybe I'm biased but I think the 'Remain' has been the worse of the two. The massive choreographed exaggerations have done their case no favours at all.

why would you be biased against the remain camp?

[thebish]

One of the most disturbing things about the in-out-shake it all about debate, to a politico no-nowt like me, is the fact that it isn't a strictly political situation involving, Tories say/Labour Says, Ukip Says..etc etc. I listened to a sensible sounding chap the other night (James Cleverley) who outlined the gulf of disageeement within the Tory party alone. To me, this bodes ill for a sensible decision from any of them. I'll be quite happy to be educated on this.

why is it disturbing that this is a cross-party issue? I would have thought that makes it LESS disturbing - politicians are free to campaign according to what they actually believe rather than what the party tells them to believe... why would that make a decision less sensible?

[Lord Kangana]

If someone can point me to the Remain campaigns equivalent to the "repel ze Germanz vote leave" sign on the M40 then we can perhaps more sensibly discuss which 'side' has more bellendery on it.

[Hoboh]

Meaningless drivel?????

What we keep being told the NHS and other bodies would grind to a halt because of a lack of specialists and skilled workers from the EU?

The whole skill section of the UK would disappear without all the skilled EU migrants?

Give your head a rather large shake, this is the truth behind the lies spouted by those freedom of movement luvies.

no - we are being told that currently lots of jobs that for one reason or another we don't fill using home-grown labour are being filled by workers from the EU

(eg. 11% of NHS workers - according to the Health and Social Care Information Centre.)

can you find an example of someone who has said "The whole skill section of the UK would disappear without all the skilled EU migrants."?

Yes, but the visa requirements include earnings of £35k.

Here is the pay scale for a Nurse:

'Fully qualified nurses start on salaries of £21,692 rising to £28,180 on Band 5 of the NHS Agenda for Change Pay Rates. Salaries in London attract a high-cost area supplement. With experience, in positions such as nurse team leader on Band 6, salaries progress to £26,041 to £34,876.'

Therefore EU migrants working as nurses in the NHS wouldn't qualify, unless you don't class that as a skilled job.

From the .gov website you should read it then translate it for the bish.

Appropriate salary

The job you’re offered must pay £20,800 or more, unless your current or last permission to stay in the UK is as:
a Tier 2 (General) migrant before 6 April 2011
a Jewish agency employee
operational ground staff of an overseas-owned airline
a minister of religion, missionary or member of a religious order
a representative of an overseas newspaper, news agency or broadcasting organisation
a work permit holder
an unregistered nurse but your salary will be at least £16,271 while you’re doing your supervised practice or £21,478 after you have Nursing and Midwifery Council registration - and you’ll still be sponsored as a nurse by the same sponsor after you’re registered

[bobo the clown]

^^ Haa. Outbished.

[thebish]

phew!! so we CAN continue to ship in lots of overseas nurses to work in Britain if we leave the EU!! yay!! problem solved... glad we sorted that one out - Hoboh says, keep those borders open next - care homes...

[bedwetter2]

Do we know how many of those 88% predicted the financial meltdown of a few years ago? Would also be interesting to know how many of them were predicting doom if we didn't join the Euro way back when.

who knows! but people keep asking for information from non-self-interested-politicos, from people who might be thought to know what they are talking about! 88% seems like quite high agreement.

yes - you could dismiss them all - but then I think you'd have to abandon your search for any opinion at all that carries any weight!

Just trying to establish credibility. Some of the 'experts' trotted out in the media these days are nothing of the sort. Hopefully the 88% isn't made up of A level economists!

I haven't got the list - but there were 600 who replied - and I guess they'd have to be well-known or accredited in such a way that IPOS could contact them...

as for A-level economists - we already have one of them on the forum...

Ah yes, but I went on to study architecture at university.....so I'm at least ambidextrous, or something.

[Hoboh]

phew!! so we CAN continue to ship in lots of overseas nurses to work in Britain if we leave the EU!! yay!! problem solved... glad we sorted that one out - Hoboh says, keep those borders open next - care homes...

Still just does not explain what 'skills' the 88% of EU migrants have that would fail this test though does it?
After all it keeps being inferred that they are filling skill shortages, not warehouses for sports direct, Amazon etc. whilst depressing wage rates.

[Hoboh]

Is Albania at war?

Thought not, so why are these people not immediately shipped back there?

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Just shows what will happen when Albania joins the EU and they can legally come here, can't wait, next up, Turks?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Am I wrong in believing that after 5 years these non-EU foreign types have to be earning 35k or they have to fcuk off? Sure I was reading about some foreign types that were being made to leave despite being qualified and working in jobs that we're desperately short of people for.

I'm now beginning to think that we need to stay in the EU to protect our borders. News was saying that we've only got 2 coastguard cutters deployed to keep them migrants out. But, don't panic Hoboh, the French have significantly more deployed to protect our borders for us.

[Prufrock]

Been on the Facebook wind up with a girl I know today. Got her to compare the EU to the USSR, with which a few "minor differences" aside, there are strong comparisons. I've had to have a break to compose myself after she in all seriousness write about the "gulag of political correctness".

[bedwetter2]

Been on the Facebook wind up with a girl I know today. Got her to compare the EU to the USSR, with which a few "minor differences" aside, there are strong comparisons. I've had to have a break to compose myself after she in all seriousness write about the "gulag of political correctness".

She's got your number.

[Hoboh]

Am I wrong in believing that after 5 years these non-EU foreign types have to be earning 35k or they have to fcuk off? Sure I was reading about some foreign types that were being made to leave despite being qualified and working in jobs that we're desperately short of people for.

I'm now beginning to think that we need to stay in the EU to protect our borders. News was saying that we've only got 2 coastguard cutters deployed to keep them migrants out. But, don't panic Hoboh, the French have significantly more deployed to protect our borders for us.

These boats left France, they seem to be doing as good a job as the Turks.

Never mind a good blow will put paid to mass exits from there.

[Hoboh]

Been on the Facebook wind up with a girl I know today. Got her to compare the EU to the USSR, with which a few "minor differences" aside, there are strong comparisons. I've had to have a break to compose myself after she in all seriousness write about the "gulag of political correctness".

Been telling you that for a long time mate.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Am I wrong in believing that after 5 years these non-EU foreign types have to be earning 35k or they have to fcuk off? Sure I was reading about some foreign types that were being made to leave despite being qualified and working in jobs that we're desperately short of people for.

I'm now beginning to think that we need to stay in the EU to protect our borders. News was saying that we've only got 2 coastguard cutters deployed to keep them migrants out. But, don't panic Hoboh, the French have significantly more deployed to protect our borders for us.

These boats left France, they seem to be doing as good a job as the Turks.

Never mind a good blow will put paid to mass exits from there.

France seem to be putting more effort in than our lot, which begs the question; if migrants are such a problem why is our government doing next to fcuk all about stopping them? I mean, if they were serious they'd have more than 2 little boats dealing with the problem.

[Hoboh]

So worried they have resorted to cheating!

[Lord Kangana]

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[Worthy4England]

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I'm all confused now. They look like exactly the same Boris, but saying completely different things....

[Hoboh]

Between 1994 and 2013, the people of Liverpool, Merseyside and the wider north-west of England benefited to the tune of £1.3bn from successive funding programmes, with a further £450m agreed up to 2020.

This is what the EU does with our money, this is what the EU does for you

In almost 20 years the North West has had 'massive' funding to the tune of £1.3 billion, 20 fecking years!

One reason the public is not always aware of the number of UK projects and programmes co-funded by the EU is that – in contrast to some member states, where billboards proudly declaring “part-funded by the European Regional Development Fund” are hard to avoid – Britain sometimes seems reluctant to give unnecessary publicity to the EU.

So-called “gratitude plaques” are a contractual requirement of receiving EU aid

And the we have to doff caps and show gratitude to promote this obscene organisation for giving the UK taxpayer back a fraction of which we contribute.

I found it quite interesting to find out just how much went into the arts, no wonder the arty farty and luvie types are all in favour of remain.
If theatres and the like were such a rip roaring success, surely they'd pay for themselves? They bloody well should.

[Hoboh]

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, is being lined up to be one of the three speakers representing Remain in the ITV debate being held next week.

Excellent, Merkel next.