Brexit or Britin

[Hoboh]

And this from a bloke who wants to remain

Lord Astor - a Tory peer and Samantha Cameron's stepfather - made the prediction as he set out his support for keeping ties with Brussels, despite delivering a devastating critique of the way it functions.

Writing on the Spectator website, Lord Astor said it was 'difficult not to be Eurosceptic' with the Eurozone in turmoil and the Schengen open borders agreement was collapsing.

He also lamented the 'democratic deficit' that was making the EU 'so unaccountable' and causing the 'rise of extreme nationalist political parties all over Europe'.

The peer also raised the prospect that the Brussels club could collapse altogether unless it 'undertakes serious reform', dismissing many eastern members as 'subsidy junkies'.

He wrote: 'We Conservatives made a mistake when we thought that the inclusion of the Eastern bloc countries in the EU, after they were freed from the shackles of centralised rule, would be a beneficial influence,

'Sadly most, with a couple of exceptions, have remained subsidy junkies beholden to Brussels in the same way they were once beholden to Moscow.'

[Armchair Wanderer]

And I'll be amazed if Boris Johnson isn't on the Remain payroll - What better than a bumbling idiot who has suddenly turned into an Islamaphobe to devalue a campaign..

Very clever - Very sinister too

Yeah, but for the politically disengaged he's 'a legend'. They don't care about all the other stuff.

It definitely seems to be some sort of political correctness backlash. Anyone who has anything to be angry about has jumped on the bandwagon.

There was a line towards the end of The Big Short that went something like "in a couple of years everyone will have forgotten [the banking crisis] and gone back to blaming the immigrants".

[Prufrock]

too much. Make it stop.

Who knocked that graph up, Sgt. Bash?

[Hoboh]

too much. Make it stop.

Who knocked that graph up, Sgt. Bash?

When you can point out just exactly what is wrong with the figures on the graph, you maybe taken a little more seriously.

[Hoboh]

And here's what Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn REALLY thinks of the EU:

1. Corbyn voted against membership in 1975, voted against the Maastricht Treaty in 1993, and voted against the Lisbon Treaty in 2009. He has opposed the EU at every opportunity.
2. “The European Central Bank will undermine any social objective that any Labour Government in the United Kingdom — or any other Government — would wish to carry out.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
3. “What powers do we have to do anything about the fraud in EU institutions? Much of that money seems to find its way into the hands of the Mafia or into grandiose, unwanted and often badly-built construction projects that are of no use to anybody.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
4. “The Treaty on European Union takes away from national Parliaments the power to set economic policy and hands it over to an unelected set of bankers” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
5. “There is a real risk that Greece leaves both the eurozone and the EU. Its future would be uncertain, but at least it could be its own ... There is no future for a usurious Europe that turns its smaller nations into colonies of debt peonage.” Jeremy Corbyn, Huffington Post
6. “If the EU becomes a totally brutal organisation that treats every one of its member states in the way that the people of Greece have been treated at the moment, then I think it will lose a lot of support from a lot of people.” Jeremy Corbyn, LBC, 2015, quoted in the Telegraph
7. Public opposition to the EU’s TTIP treaty is “a cri de coeur for democracy and for the right of people to elect a Government who can decide what goes on in their country.” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
8. On the secrecy of the EU’s TTIP negotiations: “Is it because there are ante-rooms on either side of the Atlantic stuffed full of highly effective corporate lobbyists doing their best to develop their own interests?” Jeremy Corbyn, Hansard
9. Morocco’s occupation of the Western Sahara “involves the gross abuse of human rights and theft of natural resources - and the EU is directly responsible.” Jeremy Corbyn on his blog, recently deleted (archive still available).

[Worthy4England]

Which bit says we should leave? I think I'm missing it...

[Hoboh]

Which bit says we should leave? I think I'm missing it...

Which bit says we should stay?

I'm merely high lighting those in remain who think the EU is an incompetent organisation and after Cameron's attempt at getting some reform live under the disillusion it can be changed.
You then have to start asking what is the real reason the elite wish to maintain a corrupt, failing, non-democratic club membership, decent strippers during the breaks?

[Lord Kangana]

Well the socialist worker is in favour of an exit. So I'm looking forward to a socialist utopia when we leave. That Boris is a proper dark horse, isn't he?

[Worthy4England]

Which bit says we should leave? I think I'm missing it...

Which bit says we should stay?

I'm merely high lighting those in remain who think the EU is an incompetent organisation and after Cameron's attempt at getting some reform live under the disillusion it can be changed.
You then have to start asking what is the real reason the elite wish to maintain a corrupt, failing, non-democratic club membership, decent strippers during the breaks?

Well he's "campaigning" that we should stay - so I don't get the relevance.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I'm merely high lighting those in remain who think the EU is an incompetent organisation and after Cameron's attempt at getting some reform live under the disillusion it can be changed.

I assume you mean delusion. Incompetence is not a reason in and of it itself to leave something. There needs to be some reassurance the successor will be less incompetent or, in other ways, superior. All forms of government have some degree of incompetence I feel sure.

[Hoboh]

I'm merely high lighting those in remain who think the EU is an incompetent organisation and after Cameron's attempt at getting some reform live under the disillusion it can be changed.

I assume you mean delusion. Incompetence is not a reason in and of it itself to leave something. There needs to be some reassurance the successor will be less incompetent or, in other ways, superior. All forms of government have some degree of incompetence I feel sure.

I did

The EU is not a government, merely a club of states some whom have federalist tendencies.

The incompetent EU is not answerable to the British public nor will it ever be so.

If you are a 'club' member and the rules change constantly, sideling you more and more, you'd stop your subscription and leave.

[Lord Kangana]

Righto, so being a country of Monarchists they should kick us out rather than us choosing to leave?

But hang on, I live in a country with a monarchy but I'm a republican. How the f*ck is that going to work? Split the country in 2, or be a bit more adult about it?

Its just idiotic. Some people think a little differently to you and therefore it scares you.

[Hoboh]

Righto, so being a country of Monarchists they should kick us out rather than us choosing to leave?

But hang on, I live in a country with a monarchy but I'm a republican. How the f*ck is that going to work? Split the country in 2, or be a bit more adult about it?

Its just idiotic. Some people think a little differently to you and therefore it scares you.

You think?

Trust me there is little that scares me now, least of all politics.

I have the chance to vote on the EU, I'm going to take it, if we win, we win, if we don't at least I can have a laugh when it goes belly up.

I'd expect in view of a remain victory, a lot of "told you so's" over the next few years but hey ho there you go.

[Worthy4England]

Righto, so being a country of Monarchists they should kick us out rather than us choosing to leave?

But hang on, I live in a country with a monarchy but I'm a republican. How the f*ck is that going to work? Split the country in 2, or be a bit more adult about it?

Its just idiotic. Some people think a little differently to you and therefore it scares you.

You think?

Trust me there is little that scares me now, least of all politics.

I have the chance to vote on the EU, I'm going to take it, if we win, we win, if we don't at least I can have a laugh when it goes belly up.

I'd expect in view of a remain victory, a lot of "told you so's" over the next few years but hey ho there you go.

I coulda sworn you promised to can it all, once the vote was held?

[Hoboh]

Righto, so being a country of Monarchists they should kick us out rather than us choosing to leave?

But hang on, I live in a country with a monarchy but I'm a republican. How the f*ck is that going to work? Split the country in 2, or be a bit more adult about it?

Its just idiotic. Some people think a little differently to you and therefore it scares you.

You think?

Trust me there is little that scares me now, least of all politics.

I have the chance to vote on the EU, I'm going to take it, if we win, we win, if we don't at least I can have a laugh when it goes belly up.

I'd expect in view of a remain victory, a lot of "told you so's" over the next few years but hey ho there you go.

I coulda sworn you promised to can it all, once the vote was held?

Your right in respect of I won't be saying we should have left/have another referendum etc.

I will just stick to pointing out the 'benefits' remaining has brought about

[Worthy4England]

Not too long now, Hobes.

[TANGODANCER]

I think the scaremongering has worked. Everybody's scared to death of voting wrong. Great job from our leaders.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I think the sacremongering has worked. Everybody's scared to death of voting wrong. Great job from our leaders.

Ah, sacremongering when a million Frenchmen all yell "Sacre Bleu!" at the same time.

[Bijou Bob]

Which bit says we should leave? I think I'm missing it...

Which bit says we should stay?

I'm merely high lighting those in remain who think the EU is an incompetent organisation and after Cameron's attempt at getting some reform live under the disillusion it can be changed.
You then have to start asking what is the real reason the elite wish to maintain a corrupt, failing, non-democratic club membership, decent strippers during the breaks?

Well he's "campaigning" that we should stay - so I don't get the relevance.

But do you get the hypocrisy?

[BWFC_Insane]

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When you're driving people away from your own campaign through lies and false claims you know it is bad news....