Brexit or Britin

[thebish]

How's the counting being done? Does every single vote throughout the land get totted up then collectively count against each other, or is it counted by council district (ie. Bolton's in but Salford's out so 1-1)? It's just occurred to me that I haven't a clue.

Votes will be counted by hand, starting as soon as polls close at 2100 GMT (1700 EDT).

Each of 382 local counting areas will tally the number of ballot papers cast and announce local turnout figures (including spoiled ballots and postal votes) in each of the areas. The Electoral Commission has estimated that most turnout announcements at counting-area level will come between 2230 on June 23 and 0130 on June 24. The last turnout figure is expected at around 0400.

Each area will count the votes and announce totals for REMAIN and LEAVE. The majority of counting areas are expected to declare between around 0100 and 0300 on June 24. The last declaration is expected around 0600.

Local totals will be collated into totals for 12 regions, and then a final, national, result. The final result will be announced in Manchester by Jenny Watson, Chief Counting Officer.

[Bruce Rioja]

Cheers, Bish. I think I get it. Sounds like a lot of fannying about but fair enough.

[Worthy4England]

So the expectation is that we'll certainly know by brekkers, Friday morning, if I've read it right? On small phone...

[Little Green Man]

Cheers, Bish. I think I get it. Sounds like a lot of fannying about but fair enough.

Just one more thing. It's not a binding result, it's an advisory referendum. The UK parliament still has the final say.

[Worthy4England]

Cheers, Bish. I think I get it. Sounds like a lot of fannying about but fair enough.

Just one more thing. It's not a binding result, it's an advisory referendum. The UK parliament still has the final say.

Yup. I suspect the party in government would be a fairly long time out of it if they did so, though...

[Little Green Man]

Cheers, Bish. I think I get it. Sounds like a lot of fannying about but fair enough.

Just one more thing. It's not a binding result, it's an advisory referendum. The UK parliament still has the final say.

Yup. I suspect the party in government would be a fairly long time out of it if they did so, though...

The party in government is utterly fractured over the issue anyway. It's the main reason we're having the referendum.

[Worthy4England]

Fair point.

[Little Green Man]

Fookin hell, there's some scary shit on Facebook tonight from the outers. We're talking stuff that makes Hoboh's ramblings sound well thought out, rational and eminently sensible the sooner we introduce some sort of competency to vote test the better!

Vote Leave and you get the Leavers.

For what it's worth, the relatively small technology company I work for would struggle without our highly competent EU employees. We've currently got a Dane, a German, a Spaniard, a Norwegian and a Pole on the books. We've also had recent employees from France, Turkey, Italy, Ireland and Greece as well as others from the countries already mentioned. We've tried to hire staff from Britain but we often struggle to do so, typically because we can't find people with the appropriate skill set. (A couple of years ago we even had to look to India to get a software tester.) From what I gather we're not unusual in this respect.

I highly doubt the plan is to blanket ban all foreigners.. Skilled (and non-skilled) workers will always be needed and accepted

I wasn't trying to imply that they'd all be banned. I was highlighting that migrants play a valuable part in our economy. If a points-based system came in it would add an extra layer of bureaucracy particularly for small companies. I thought the Brexit lot were all against that.

I'm not sure how a points-based system benefits in other places where migrants are contributing, namely that of setting up their own small businesses in Britain. In Edinburgh I can think of numerous small shops well run by Poles, Italians, Portuguese, Spaniards, Turks, Punjabis all of which have improved the community. Their appearance and success seems to have actually kick-started further regeneration by local concerns. If they hadn't come I could easily imagine a sea of charity shops and To Let signs.

[Hoboh]

And which bit of that randomness is showing me where "most of our service industries struggle". It's not jumping out at me...

Actually a fuller text exists in another piece by Major and it would be the one I never bloody saved!

[Hoboh]

For those up late, undecided but frightened by Cameron/Osborne's tariff gloom:

Germany's leading industrialist yesterday dismissed warnings of a post-Brexit trade war, saying the EU would be ‘very, very foolish’ to impose tariffs on the UK.

David Cameron and George Osborne have repeatedly issued doom-laden warnings that British exporters will face a wall of tariffs if Britain leaves the EU, potentially costing jobs.

But Markus Kerber, head of the influential BDI which represents German industry, said that made no sense. Mr Kerber told the BBC’s World Service: ‘Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries – or between the two political centres, the EU on the one hand and the UK on the other – would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st Century.

‘The BDI would urge politicians on both sides to come up with a trade regime that enables us to uphold and maintain the levels of trade we have.’

I think this bloke and his organisation wields more clout than our bunch of 'experts' in relation to trade.

[Prufrock]

Never?!

Love it. I think the British public are sick and tired of experts. Except for German experts. They're good. If only there was a way we could get some if them over here.

Thank f*ck it's over soon.

[Hoboh]

Never?!

Love it. I think the British public are sick and tired of experts. Except for German experts. They're good. If only there was a way we could get some if them over here.

Thank f*ck it's over soon.

Well according to remain, the whole of Europe was going to shut us out and impose tariffs.

Project fear?

[Prufrock]

But you don't believe in experts.

They don't decide if there are tariffs.

Anyway, I'll tell you what, the "Remain" window stickers are bossing Islington.

[Hoboh]

But you don't believe in experts.

They don't decide if there are tariffs.

Anyway, I'll tell you what, the "Remain" window stickers are bossing Islington.

No surprise there then

Up here, remain have no windows to put stickers on

Anyway, after this weekend we can all turn our attention back to football matters and no matter which way the vote goes at least we have been able to have our say

[Montreal Wanderer]

Good luck tomorrow, everyone. I'll stick with my original view that in referenda people tend to vote to maintain the status quo - the devil they know. So I think Remain will win.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

And which bit of that randomness is showing me where "most of our service industries struggle". It's not jumping out at me...

Actually a fuller text exists in another piece by Major and it would be the one I never bloody saved!

I'm not entirely sure Worthy was requesting more homework

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

So, the morning of the referendum...

Sky News have had Gove on for the last hour making shit up and avoiding questions from the Sky folk and the audience.

BBC News have 3 BBC types chatting about America and Donald Trump for the last hour.

I've had enough of the referendum as much as anyone else, but do find it weird that the Beeb are concentrating on the Yanks so far today.

[Worthy4England]

Don't think the broadcasting rules allow them to report on the issues surrounding the vote on polling day....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Don't think the broadcasting rules allow them to report on the issues surrounding the vote on polling day....

But Sky were showing reruns of Gove being a dick. Is this a loophole?

[Worthy4England]

Don't think the broadcasting rules allow them to report on the issues surrounding the vote on polling day....

But Sky were showing reruns of Gove being a dick. Is this a loophole?

Think it applies from when the polls open at 07:00 UK - dunno though...