Brexit or Britin

[BWFC_Insane]

People can piss and whine at the labour party - but the real destruction of the economy is being wrought by Tory infighting, plain and simple

Because they can at present get away with anything and still be re-elected and they know it.

Blair and Brown are responsible for the state of the Labour party now.

They had a perfect opportunity to build a decent well balanced social society and blew it!

Not for me, the party imploded because it decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater, forgetting what made it electable in the first place.

The party was well run in the past, but now is amateurish and the inept luvvies as Bobo would say hold the key positions.

They need a harder edge and must realise that if they want to fight inequality they need a base from which to do that rather than making everything in the world try and be about that.

[Prufrock]

I said that Friday and Tango told me I couldn't say that unless I'd spoken to them in person, rather than watching them on TV

Gee, I love band-waggon jumpers....
Since you're another "Tango said" quoter, how about the bit that got tutt-tutted when I said that I believed the only really honest of the voters were those who admitted they just didn't know? Doesn't look quite so silly a sentiment right now, does it?

Yes it does you daft bastard. The "don't knows" in that poll you referred to as being the only honest ones of the lot were saying they didn't know how they would vote themselves, not that they didn't know what would happen. I'd have said I knew I'd vote remain. Guess what, I was right!

[Bijou Bob]

I think I can quite confidently predict that the world will keep turning, the ftse will recover, as will the pound given a few weeks and Brexit won't be the disaster that the Remain press seem to be desperately hoping will be the case.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think I can quite confidently predict that the world will keep turning, the ftse will recover, as will the pound given a few weeks and Brexit won't be the disaster that the Remain press seem to be desperately hoping will be the case.

Even the prominent leave campaigners seem worried right now.

[TANGODANCER]

I said that Friday and Tango told me I couldn't say that unless I'd spoken to them in person, rather than watching them on TV

Gee, I love band-waggon jumpers....
Since you're another "Tango said" quoter, how about the bit that got tutt-tutted when I said that I believed the only really honest of the voters were those who admitted they just didn't know? Doesn't look quite so silly a sentiment right now, does it?

Yes it does you daft bastard. The "don't knows" in that poll you referred to as being the only honest ones of the lot were saying they didn't know how they would vote themselves, not that they didn't know what would happen. I'd have said I knew I'd vote remain. Guess what, I was right!

I'd be obliged if you'd watch your smart mouth. If you want respect, try showing some.
Why did they not know do which why they'd vote you think? They were as confused then as they probably are now. Then again, perhaps they didn't all go to university and study law; one or two might even stock shelves in Asda and drive waggons for a living.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

It is the younger generation with their self important opinionated views that the older people shouldn't be able to vote because it's 'all about me' who cause my type of reaction, and yes there is quite a few of them.

Yep, they're wankers if they think only they should have the vote. No argument on that from me.

A pal of mine put it like this;
Give the young ones an I-pad and I-phone, social media, enough money to go on the lash, a few knob head celebs and they know everything.

Our generation didn't need iPads to think we knew everything. All youngsters for thousands of years have thought they know everything - it isn't anything new.

Having it easy? there is more and more protection for the younger generation than they know, competition in schools and other aspects of life has been dumbed down, I've seen some exam papers due to my son in law being a teacher and to be honest they are hardly as taxing as the old 'O' levels used to be, apparently course work makes up most of it and they get substantial help with that so as not to affect school performance figures.

Did the youngsters invent and bring all this in? Nope, our generation has. You need to rant at yourself on this one


I admire people who work hard and go to Uni (well as long as it's a constructive course and not media and arts etc) but some of these people are too easy to forget just who actually gives them a leg up, you call it empathy, I'd say it was love and they repay it how?

Some arts and media courses are constructive and useful for careers in that area. You shouldn't conflate that with the people that pick them because it's the easiest looking thing to do and has fcuk all to do with anything you might do after the degree. Whilst the latter group might deserve your scorn, the former certainly don't.

The world is a big place now, run by bankers, money men and multi National companies whose sole interest is their bank balance, they own politics a large part of the out vote was an up yours to them and their institutions of which the EU was the biggest, the youth unfortunately have been cleverly manipulated to see them as the only way forward, they lead, sheep follow.

So by fcuking off the EU and Cameron and replacing it with an even further right group of people, backed and funded by tax dodging business people that don't even live in the UK is going to fix the world is run? If the remain voting youngsters are sheep, that must put the residents of Ebw Vale and the like in lemming territory.

History appears to have little bearing on how youth perceive things today, when I first bought my house we had hand me downs, second or third hand furniture, frost on the insides of the windows, coal fires to clean and light, a rented colour TV about the size of a barge with three channels, WTF was the internet, mobile phone or X-box of course you've got it easier now.

You seem to forget that as a youngster you had all that technology like colour televisions and luxuries such as indoor toilets. What did the generations before you have at the same age? German bombs raining down on them, rations and wireless sets. Still, I expect they were soft too and had it way easier than "when I were a lad".

Anyway, you've won back control now, so expect we'll see all this fixed in short order

[Prufrock]

I said that Friday and Tango told me I couldn't say that unless I'd spoken to them in person, rather than watching them on TV

Gee, I love band-waggon jumpers....
Since you're another "Tango said" quoter, how about the bit that got tutt-tutted when I said that I believed the only really honest of the voters were those who admitted they just didn't know? Doesn't look quite so silly a sentiment right now, does it?

Yes it does you daft bastard. The "don't knows" in that poll you referred to as being the only honest ones of the lot were saying they didn't know how they would vote themselves, not that they didn't know what would happen. I'd have said I knew I'd vote remain. Guess what, I was right!

I'd be obliged if you'd watch your smart mouth. If you want respect, try showing some.
Why did they not know do which why they'd vote you think? They were as confused then as they probably are now. Then again, perhaps they didn't all go to university and study law; one or two might even stock shelves in Asda and drive waggons for a living.

don't be so mard.

They didn't know because they didn't know. Which is why they didn't know. Still doesn't change that they were no more "honest" than people who said they did know how they'd vote which was the question. You can dress it up in as much twee man of the people stuff as you want, doesn't change that.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Terrible echo in here But seriously, that's far more concise than my post! And to be fair to Hoboh we're having a very reasonable discussion about the results and what they potentially mean, at least as far as I'm aware; it's more than is happening on other forums and in person!

I hadn't gotten as far as your post when I wrote this Anyway, I think Hoboh forgot to mention youthful smart arses

[Nicko58]

I said that Friday and Tango told me I couldn't say that unless I'd spoken to them in person, rather than watching them on TV

Gee, I love band-waggon jumpers....
Since you're another "Tango said" quoter, how about the bit that got tutt-tutted when I said that I believed the only really honest of the voters were those who admitted they just didn't know? Doesn't look quite so silly a sentiment right now, does it?

Yes it does you daft bastard. The "don't knows" in that poll you referred to as being the only honest ones of the lot were saying they didn't know how they would vote themselves, not that they didn't know what would happen. I'd have said I knew I'd vote remain. Guess what, I was right!

I'd be obliged if you'd watch your smart mouth. If you want respect, try showing some.
Why did they not know do which why they'd vote you think? They were as confused then as they probably are now. Then again, perhaps they didn't all go to university and study law; one or two might even stock shelves in Asda and drive waggons for a living.

don't be so mard.

They didn't know because they didn't know. Which is why they didn't know. Still doesn't change that they were no more "honest" than people who said they did know how they'd vote which was the question. You can dress it up in as much twee man of the people stuff as you want, doesn't change that.

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?

It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

[Hoboh]

Terrible echo in here But seriously, that's far more concise than my post! And to be fair to Hoboh we're having a very reasonable discussion about the results and what they potentially mean, at least as far as I'm aware; it's more than is happening on other forums and in person!

I hadn't gotten as far as your post when I wrote this Anyway, I think Hoboh forgot to mention youthful smart arses

That I'll agree with

Honestly the number of people who want another referendum or Indyref are behaving just like the EU, not the result we want lets change it.
Make no mistake, Sturgeon is just a plain opportunist about referendum2.

[TANGODANCER]

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?
It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

I was going to reply to Prufrock, then I realised who I was talking to, accepted the futility of...and didn't bother.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Terrible echo in here But seriously, that's far more concise than my post! And to be fair to Hoboh we're having a very reasonable discussion about the results and what they potentially mean, at least as far as I'm aware; it's more than is happening on other forums and in person!

I hadn't gotten as far as your post when I wrote this Anyway, I think Hoboh forgot to mention youthful smart arses

That I'll agree with

Honestly the number of people who want another referendum or Indyref are behaving just like the EU, not the result we want lets change it.
Make no mistake, Sturgeon is just a plain opportunist about referendum2.

I don't personally think there should be another referendum, though I do think part of the make up of the first one should have something along the lines of a minimum percentage win to invoke any change in the status quo. Not sure what that should be, but probably somewhere in the region of 10%.

That said, there was a certain outer that had designs on a second referendum should it be 52-48 to remain. Gooses and ganders etc etc...

[BWFC_Insane]

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?

It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

Polling errors are almost certainly down to turnout estimations rather than people lying to pollsters. They are good at correcting for that.

The difficulty with this vote for a pollster was predicting who was actually turning out and who wasn't.

[BWFC_Insane]

Terrible echo in here But seriously, that's far more concise than my post! And to be fair to Hoboh we're having a very reasonable discussion about the results and what they potentially mean, at least as far as I'm aware; it's more than is happening on other forums and in person!

I hadn't gotten as far as your post when I wrote this Anyway, I think Hoboh forgot to mention youthful smart arses

That I'll agree with

Honestly the number of people who want another referendum or Indyref are behaving just like the EU, not the result we want lets change it.
Make no mistake, Sturgeon is just a plain opportunist about referendum2.

I agree there shouldn't be another EU referendum. That is a nonsense. Unless something were substantially to change, in other words the EU made a significantly different offer...

However, the Scottish situation is different. There something has significantly changed since their last referendum on independence. So I think there is sufficient mandate for the potential of a second referendum to be raised there.

[Nicko58]

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?

It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

Polling errors are almost certainly down to turnout estimations rather than people lying to pollsters. They are good at correcting for that.

The difficulty with this vote for a pollster was predicting who was actually turning out and who wasn't.

Didn't a lot of polls predict that a high turnout would result in a vote to stay in?

Then again, you may be right if by saying that they meant a higher turnout of young voters.

[BWFC_Insane]

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?

It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

Polling errors are almost certainly down to turnout estimations rather than people lying to pollsters. They are good at correcting for that.

The difficulty with this vote for a pollster was predicting who was actually turning out and who wasn't.

Didn't a lot of polls predict that a high turnout would result in a vote to stay in?

Then again, you may be right if by saying that they meant a higher turnout of young voters.

High or low turnout isn't really the difficulty. It is understanding who is turning out. Suspect more from poorer areas who perhaps don't bother for a GE did turn out and vote this time. Hard for pollsters to predict as there isn't much previous data to model on.

[Worthy4England]

I think I can quite confidently predict that the world will keep turning, the ftse will recover, as will the pound given a few weeks and Brexit won't be the disaster that the Remain press seem to be desperately hoping will be the case.

I guess that would exclude most of the Australian run press that was heavily skewed to leave in their front pages?

As for pound and ftse recovering over time. Yes they will. The question will be, as it was with the global banking crises, what was the cost?

[Prufrock]

That poll showed the majority of voters to be in favour of staying in the EU, didn't it?
It's quite possible that a good number of people weren't quite so honest about which way they were really going to vote when asked, particularly as the nature of the debate became as heated as it did.

I was going to reply to Prufrock, then I realised who I was talking to, accepted the futility of...and didn't bother.

Try not to use the word "Prufrock" in your reply if possible. I feel you're becoming obsessed with it.

[TANGODANCER]

[TANGODANCER]

Try not to use the word "Prufrock" in your reply if possible. I feel you're becoming obsessed with it.

Oh, bravo. Well done. Okay, Alfred it is then.