The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

Literally the only thing I've predicted correctly in the last two years is that he'd be f*cling useless.

So you're counting a "prediction" as something that has 30 years rock solid and irrefutable evidence, continuing, as a win?

You should go for "That dead dog's dead" just to shore up your reputation.

You are Mystic Meg and I claim my £5.

[boltonboris]

Got a worse Labour shortage than feckin' China!!

[Prufrock]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

[Beefheart]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

God I miss those cynical career politicians who actually tried to achieve things.

[Worthy4England]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

There will be a Judean People's Front and a People's Front of Judea and maybe even, God forbid, an SDP.

There is a complete impasse here - 270,000 Labour membership (to put that in perspective, the highest declared of any political party in the UK), who think they're representing the average Joe Bloggs which they're clearly not. They were punted in the General Election against a Tory Party that was uncertain it was going to win and couldn't manage to convince enough of their vote that Remain was worth the biscuit (neither could Cameron, obviously). Their answer seems to be currently to promote those people that were completely clueless in the 1990's leading up to the 1992 Election as if somehow their unelectable messages then are electable messages now. They weren't then and they're not now.

They need to make their minds up as to whether they want to carry on as second or third party or win an election. They're stupid enough to pick the former.

[Hoboh]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

There will be a Judean People's Front and a People's Front of Judea and maybe even, God forbid, an SDP.

There is a complete impasse here - 270,000 Labour membership (to put that in perspective, the highest declared of any political party in the UK), who think they're representing the average Joe Bloggs which they're clearly not. They were punted in the General Election against a Tory Party that was uncertain it was going to win and couldn't manage to convince enough of their vote that Remain was worth the biscuit (neither could Cameron, obviously). Their answer seems to be currently to promote those people that were completely clueless in the 1990's leading up to the 1992 Election as if somehow their unelectable messages then are electable messages now. They weren't then and they're not now.

They need to make their minds up as to whether they want to carry on as second or third party or win an election. They're stupid enough to pick the former.

I'm waiting for all the disenfranchised youth to form their own party.

Would be fun to watch as it collapsed through apathy and the middleclass Uni type snowflakes fell out with those less well to do who live on the council estates or low down the ladder, it might wake them up

[Worthy4England]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

There will be a Judean People's Front and a People's Front of Judea and maybe even, God forbid, an SDP.

There is a complete impasse here - 270,000 Labour membership (to put that in perspective, the highest declared of any political party in the UK), who think they're representing the average Joe Bloggs which they're clearly not. They were punted in the General Election against a Tory Party that was uncertain it was going to win and couldn't manage to convince enough of their vote that Remain was worth the biscuit (neither could Cameron, obviously). Their answer seems to be currently to promote those people that were completely clueless in the 1990's leading up to the 1992 Election as if somehow their unelectable messages then are electable messages now. They weren't then and they're not now.

They need to make their minds up as to whether they want to carry on as second or third party or win an election. They're stupid enough to pick the former.

I'm waiting for all the disenfranchised youth to form their own party.

Would be fun to watch as it collapsed through apathy and the middleclass Uni type snowflakes fell out with those less well to do who live on the council estates or low down the ladder, it might wake them up

You are clearly a political elite.

[Hoboh]

Dianne Abbot was today asked how she thought Labour would do in a snap General Election and replied, I shit thee not, "You're being very Westminster-centric". Lord above, save us from these f*cking idiots.

There will be a Judean People's Front and a People's Front of Judea and maybe even, God forbid, an SDP.

There is a complete impasse here - 270,000 Labour membership (to put that in perspective, the highest declared of any political party in the UK), who think they're representing the average Joe Bloggs which they're clearly not. They were punted in the General Election against a Tory Party that was uncertain it was going to win and couldn't manage to convince enough of their vote that Remain was worth the biscuit (neither could Cameron, obviously). Their answer seems to be currently to promote those people that were completely clueless in the 1990's leading up to the 1992 Election as if somehow their unelectable messages then are electable messages now. They weren't then and they're not now.

They need to make their minds up as to whether they want to carry on as second or third party or win an election. They're stupid enough to pick the former.

I'm waiting for all the disenfranchised youth to form their own party.

Would be fun to watch as it collapsed through apathy and the middleclass Uni type snowflakes fell out with those less well to do who live on the council estates or low down the ladder, it might wake them up

You are clearly a political elite.

I told you before the vote it if it remain it went remain, that's democracy, I certainly wouldn't be shrieking and throwing my toys out of the pram nor adding my name to any petitions.
The 'snowflakes' mainly because the world is too soft with their sensitivities just cannot accept no or not having their own way.
I'd hate another war and have to rely on most of the snowflake youth these days, fcuking emotional breakdowns don't work in a battle field.

[Worthy4England]

It went remain and I've not added my name to any petitions.

There isn't going to be another war, remember - our security has increased dramatically, you already told us - so that's a non-issue.

How many battlefields have you actually participated on - if it's one or more, then as with all our armed forces, you get my respect for your service.

[Worthy4England]

but recently I'm spotting some double standards if I may be so bold.

Sorry TAB, that's getting the No Shit Sherlock award.

[Hoboh]

I told you before the vote it if it remain it went remain, that's democracy, I certainly wouldn't be shrieking and throwing my toys out of the pram nor adding my name to any petitions.
Both sides are shrieking as badly as one another, this isn't an ideological or generational thing. It's like watching monkeys fling shit at each other at the moment, all the way from the public up to the Commons. And that petition was initially started by a Brexiter anticipating defeat, and prior to the election actually starting.

The 'snowflakes' mainly because the world is too soft with their sensitivities just cannot accept no or not having their own way.
Seriously can I just ask; what is it with the generalisations about the 'youth' and 'snowflakes' given that just yesterday (maybe the day before) you were complaining about the 'oldies' being generalised? Be the change you want to see in the world my friend.

I'd hate another war and have to rely on most of the snowflake youth these days, fcuking emotional breakdowns don't work in a battle field.
That's...nothing to be proud of given that there's still a lot of stigma, past and present, about lack of mental health support in the services. Just look at how many Veteran's societies and groups (both UK and abroad) there are calling for it. Coming from someone who's seen a family friend suffer severely from PTSD from the first gulf war.

I'm not trying to pick on you or anything Hoboh and I'm certainly not trying to antagonise you, I sincerely enjoy reading your comments and thoughts, but recently I'm spotting some double standards if I may be so bold.

I agree that things are not looking clever right now in terms of politics but what gets me fired up is the young and the speed with which some, quite a few to be fair are blaming the older generations. reading in the guardian this morning about a young female who felt she physically wanted to shake an elderly couple because in her opinion they'd sold out her generation.
The girl who fell out with her Grandma because only she had the right to feelings about her future, a couple who said they wouldn't speak to their parents nor cannot stand being in the same room as their grandparents, it goes on.
If my kids ever took that attitude after the money and time invested in their future, I'm afraid anything left when I departed this world would benefit the local dog/cat home.
You either accept and live with democracy or live in a dictatorship which does not necessarily have to be one backed up by military, the middle of the road thought control freaks are just as bad.

[Hoboh]

but recently I'm spotting some double standards if I may be so bold.

Sorry TAB, that's getting the No Shit Sherlock award.

Why should I stay quiet when all the Katie Price, Kim fat ass, admirers are bleating?

[Hoboh]

Something I posted elsewhere.

I don't like Corbyn but lets get one thing straight, he may have problems with his public image and not come across very well but this is an attempt by the pro-remainers to have their views as the only credible ones to be heard. They are like the petulant young thinking this is all about them, no one else nor their views matter, the worst sort of anti-democrats possible.
The people behind this plot are the centre, never rock the boat luvies, see no evil, speak no evil types, if you don't agree with them, society should ostracise you, these are very typical of the type of arrogance shown by the EU and it's leading lights like Juncker, these are the real people of Orwell's 1984.
I don't like, as I say Corbyn nor most of what he stands for but those trying to depose him are anti-democratic.

[Worthy4England]

Something I posted elsewhere.

I don't like Corbyn but lets get one thing straight, he may have problems with his public image and not come across very well but this is an attempt by the pro-remainers to have their views as the only credible ones to be heard. They are like the petulant young thinking this is all about them, no one else nor their views matter, the worst sort of anti-democrats possible.
The people behind this plot are the centre, never rock the boat luvies, see no evil, speak no evil types, if you don't agree with them, society should ostracise you, these are very typical of the type of arrogance shown by the EU and it's leading lights like Juncker, these are the real people of Orwell's 1984.
I don't like, as I say Corbyn nor most of what he stands for but those trying to depose him are anti-democratic.

Wherever else you posted it, I doubt it lost any of it's bollocks by arriving here.

[BWFC_Insane]

Something I posted elsewhere.

I don't like Corbyn but lets get one thing straight, he may have problems with his public image and not come across very well but this is an attempt by the pro-remainers to have their views as the only credible ones to be heard. They are like the petulant young thinking this is all about them, no one else nor their views matter, the worst sort of anti-democrats possible.
The people behind this plot are the centre, never rock the boat luvies, see no evil, speak no evil types, if you don't agree with them, society should ostracise you, these are very typical of the type of arrogance shown by the EU and it's leading lights like Juncker, these are the real people of Orwell's 1984.
I don't like, as I say Corbyn nor most of what he stands for but those trying to depose him are anti-democratic.

Wherever else you posted it, I doubt it lost any of it's bollocks by arriving here.

absolutely.

[Hoboh]

Something I posted elsewhere.

I don't like Corbyn but lets get one thing straight, he may have problems with his public image and not come across very well but this is an attempt by the pro-remainers to have their views as the only credible ones to be heard. They are like the petulant young thinking this is all about them, no one else nor their views matter, the worst sort of anti-democrats possible.
The people behind this plot are the centre, never rock the boat luvies, see no evil, speak no evil types, if you don't agree with them, society should ostracise you, these are very typical of the type of arrogance shown by the EU and it's leading lights like Juncker, these are the real people of Orwell's 1984.
I don't like, as I say Corbyn nor most of what he stands for but those trying to depose him are anti-democratic.

Wherever else you posted it, I doubt it lost any of it's bollocks by arriving here.

absolutely.

So a bunch of luvie MP's seek to oust a party leader elected by the majority of that parties members is not a coup and complete bollocks?

When try again Yvette Cooper says she might stand.

I dislike Corbyn more than you can imagine mate but there are set out ways to do it, not school kid petulance, don't forget more than 50 of these tools put his name forward in the first place.

You'd trust a bunch of shits like this to run a country, well feck me.

[Hoboh]

I agree that things are not looking clever right now in terms of politics but what gets me fired up is the young and the speed with which some, quite a few to be fair are blaming the older generations. reading in the guardian this morning about a young female who felt she physically wanted to shake an elderly couple because in her opinion they'd sold out her generation.
The girl who fell out with her Grandma because only she had the right to feelings about her future, a couple who said they wouldn't speak to their parents nor cannot stand being in the same room as their grandparents, it goes on.
But that is just confirmation bias, and as I said is occurring on both sides. I've seen Leavers (regardless of age) speak down to Remainers with smug superiority as though we were compromising the safety and future of the UK, and that any reservations that we have (regarding things like falling markets and Sterling value) are just fearmongering, and that it'll 'all recover'. There are real, genuine fears as a result of this which is why even Boris and Gove are backtreading - actually the latter seems to have outright vanished. And these insults are still ongoing, and are in my opinion just as bad as people washing their hands of friends and family who voted Leave. It's happening on both sides and is not exclusive to my age group or political camp.

If my kids ever took that attitude after the money and time invested in their future, I'm afraid anything left when I departed this world would benefit the local dog/cat home.
And that would be entirely up to you. I would hope that your children do not take that mentality if they have differing political beliefs to yourself, nor would you to them if they did vote Remain. As I said elsewhere now more than ever we all need to come together to try and recover whether it is ultimately leaving, or remaining with an updated deal.

You either accept and live with democracy or live in a dictatorship which does not necessarily have to be one backed up by military, the middle of the road thought control freaks are just as bad.
But that goes for both sides. There are still issues that need to be discussed and addressed, and there are significant portions of Leavers trying to suggest that Remainers should STFU because they lost the referendum; just as there are Remainers demanding a second referendum.

As I said I'm not trying to pick on you or antagonise you, I do hope you know that. I'm just trying to point out that what you're accusing the 'youth' and 'Remainers' of are things that Leavers (and respectfully yourself on occasions) are doing. Hell I'm probably guilty of it to some degree, I just try and make a conscious effort not to do so. Whether I'm successful or not is up for debate!

but recently I'm spotting some double standards if I may be so bold.

Sorry TAB, that's getting the No Shit Sherlock award.

No offense taken

You won't antagonise me and I don't think remainers should completely STFU but recognising they lost a democratic vote first would help.
You are right everyone needs to pull together, Pru hit the nail on the head the other day.

[Prufrock]

Something I posted elsewhere.

I don't like Corbyn but lets get one thing straight, he may have problems with his public image and not come across very well but this is an attempt by the pro-remainers to have their views as the only credible ones to be heard. They are like the petulant young thinking this is all about them, no one else nor their views matter, the worst sort of anti-democrats possible.
The people behind this plot are the centre, never rock the boat luvies, see no evil, speak no evil types, if you don't agree with them, society should ostracise you, these are very typical of the type of arrogance shown by the EU and it's leading lights like Juncker, these are the real people of Orwell's 1984.
I don't like, as I say Corbyn nor most of what he stands for but those trying to depose him are anti-democratic.

Wherever else you posted it, I doubt it lost any of it's bollocks by arriving here.

absolutely.

So a bunch of luvie MP's seek to oust a party leader elected by the majority of that parties members is not a coup and complete bollocks?

When try again Yvette Cooper says she might stand.

I dislike Corbyn more than you can imagine mate but there are set out ways to do it, not school kid petulance, don't forget more than 50 of these tools put his name forward in the first place.

You'd trust a bunch of shits like this to run a country, well feck me.

Luvvies? Give over.

And yes there are set it ways of doing it, of which this is one!

Next step if/when he doesn't go is to get 50 recommendations for a challenger. What with 170 votes of no confidence I reckon they might sneak them!

[Hoboh]

Not according to the Labour rule book, sorry.

[Hoboh]

I see HS2 is on course to be over priced and late, nothing new there then