The Politics Thread

[Prufrock]

Not according to the Labour rule book, sorry.

What's not according to the Labour party rule book?



Sorry.

[BWFC_Insane]

Not according to the Labour rule book, sorry.

What's not according to the Labour party rule book?



Sorry.

He means, Corbyn stands again. Rival candidate still has to win party membership vote over Corbyn. Seems unlikely seeing as any fool can cheaply join.

[Worthy4England]

but recently I'm spotting some double standards if I may be so bold.

Sorry TAB, that's getting the No Shit Sherlock award.

Why should I stay quiet when all the Katie Price, Kim fat ass, admirers are bleating?

Who asked you to do that?

[Prufrock]

Not according to the Labour rule book, sorry.

What's not according to the Labour party rule book?



Sorry.

He means, Corbyn stands again. Rival candidate still has to win party membership vote over Corbyn. Seems unlikely seeing as any fool can cheaply join.

Looks to me like he's saying the Labour rules don't provide for them calling a vote of no confidence. Not untypically, this would be bollocks.

[Hoboh]

Not according to the Labour rule book, sorry.

What's not according to the Labour party rule book?



Sorry.

He means, Corbyn stands again. Rival candidate still has to win party membership vote over Corbyn. Seems unlikely seeing as any fool can cheaply join.

Looks to me like he's saying the Labour rules don't provide for them calling a vote of no confidence. Not untypically, this would be bollocks.

Well you'd be barking up the wrong tree as usual, they can have a confidence vote till the cows come home until the members and the unions throw him out, he ain't going nowhere.

[bobo the clown]

He's obviously in a bad place but following Ed Milibands's only significant achievement in office ... the new electoral process for Labour leadership ... he is elected by the membership not the PLP on a sort of 'one member, one vote basis' ( I say sort of as a member can also be a TU member and get two goes ... three if you're an MP as well).

It's clearly not a great situation for the PLP & the leader to be so fractured but them's the rules.

He got elected because his support ... not natural (or in many cases up to then, actual) Labour supporters galvanised the left. The left both in and outside the party. His, and their, mission was to make the social democratic party of Labour into a socialist party ... by socialist I mean "hard left" in whatever definition you chose.

Their view is that it's the bulk of the PLP who are out of step. If anyone should consider their position it's those who reject the mandate from the membership.

We all know that the party has been hijacked. But hijacked by its own rules.

He must now rewind his mandate. There's no option really. That is when the centre need to boost members. THAT will be the decisive battle. Not helped by so many voters both in England and Wales AND Scotland having deserted them.

If he wins that then the party we have known since Gaitskell has gone.

[BWFC_Insane]

He's obviously in a bad place but following Ed Milibands's only significant achievement in office ... the new electoral process for Labour leadership ... he is elected by the membership not the PLP on a sort of 'one member, one vote basis' ( I say sort of as a member can also be a TU member and get two goes ... three if you're an MP as well).

It's clearly not a great situation for the PLP & the leader to be so fractured but them's the rules.

He got elected because his support ... not natural (or in many cases up to then, actual) Labour supporters galvanised the left. The left both in and outside the party. His, and their, mission was to make the social democratic party of Labour into a socialist party ... by socialist I mean "hard left" in whatever definition you chose.

Their view is that it's the bulk of the PLP who are out of step. If anyone should consider their position it's those who reject the mandate from the membership.

We all know that the party has been hijacked. But hijacked by its own rules.

He must now rewind his mandate. There's no option really. That is when the centre need to boost members. THAT will be the decisive battle. Not helped by so many voters both in England and Wales AND Scotland having deserted them.

If he wins that then the party we have known since Gaitskell has gone.

Will be a rerun of the 80's a split followed by some mental right wing Tory wreaking havoc, then the Labour Party coming to its senses under the next John Smith.

[Prufrock]

Not quite Bobes, the one sensible reform they actually made was to get rid of the several votes thing. So Harman no longer gets 6 (six). It is one each.

[Worthy4England]

He's obviously in a bad place but following Ed Milibands's only significant achievement in office ... the new electoral process for Labour leadership ... he is elected by the membership not the PLP on a sort of 'one member, one vote basis' ( I say sort of as a member can also be a TU member and get two goes ... three if you're an MP as well).

It's clearly not a great situation for the PLP & the leader to be so fractured but them's the rules.

He got elected because his support ... not natural (or in many cases up to then, actual) Labour supporters galvanised the left. The left both in and outside the party. His, and their, mission was to make the social democratic party of Labour into a socialist party ... by socialist I mean "hard left" in whatever definition you chose.

Their view is that it's the bulk of the PLP who are out of step. If anyone should consider their position it's those who reject the mandate from the membership.

We all know that the party has been hijacked. But hijacked by its own rules.

He must now rewind his mandate. There's no option really. That is when the centre need to boost members. THAT will be the decisive battle. Not helped by so many voters both in England and Wales AND Scotland having deserted them.

If he wins that then the party we have known since Gaitskell has gone.

A reasonable set of observations Bobes. I would say though, this isn't by any stretch the first time that the Labour Party has been in this situation - clearly happened with the SDP gang of four as they went to set up what morphed into the LibDems another party that has been broadly unelectable.

It's also the case that they once elected Michael Foot as leader. Who was a gent full of principles that I understood, didn't necessarily agree with, figured most of the rest of the country wouldn't agree with either and was entirely unelectable although a thoroughly decent chap.

The real problem they have now - although some of the names have changed (some haven't) - is that the move further left is driven by people largely who were active in the late 70's and 1980's. Their message was never going to get the party elected then and their notion that somehow the electorate has swung full circle back towards the left isn't borne out at all by what we've been seeing in recent votes (General Election/Referendum). Unless they land on centre left - they're fcuked in my opinion.

[bobo the clown]

Not quite Bobes, the one sensible reform they actually made was to get rid of the several votes thing. So Harman no longer gets 6 (six). It is one each.

....the old Union 'block vpte" which meant any membership by ASLEF, GMB, AEEU or whoever chucking their has in & counting for 4million votes or whatever. That,.genuinely, for those under 30, is how it was.

[MattySlug]

Australia Goes to the Polls Tomorrow!!!

Yeah, all me friends are scared!!!

We are having an Election Party so I hope it is a good Result!!!

I care more about the Senate Race but those results won't be shown for at least a Few days I think.

[boltonboris]

So Corbyn

Why the feck is he digging hi heels in? Does he genuinely think he can be the next prime minister?

Does he enjoy the power of leading the party?

does he honestly believe in his views so much, that he feels he HAS to be in the position to carry them?

I'm confused with him. He looks more broken than he did 2 years ago and he looked fecked then. I thought even though he was barking mad, he was principled and a man of his word.. Not sure now

[bobo the clown]

So Corbyn

Why the feck is he digging hi heels in? Does he genuinely think he can be the next prime minister?

Does he enjoy the power of leading the party?

does he honestly believe in his views so much, that he feels he HAS to be in the position to carry them?

I'm confused with him. He looks more broken than he did 2 years ago and he looked fecked then. I thought even though he was barking mad, he was principled and a man of his word.. Not sure now

He is dedicated to re-creating the Labour Party as a properly Socialist/Communist Party. That has failed to develop organically so this is the route. Take over an existing Social Democratic party, own it's finances, buildings, machinery and let the moderates go to fck. The belief is that the factionalised left will coalesce behind this new one and replace the unwanted wishy-washy Social Democrats.

This week one of Jeremy's inner team said the Labour Party is incidental to this greater aim. Collateral damage I think were the words.

[Worthy4England]

So Corbyn

Why the feck is he digging hi heels in? Does he genuinely think he can be the next prime minister?

Does he enjoy the power of leading the party?

does he honestly believe in his views so much, that he feels he HAS to be in the position to carry them?

I'm confused with him. He looks more broken than he did 2 years ago and he looked fecked then. I thought even though he was barking mad, he was principled and a man of his word.. Not sure now

He is dedicated to re-creating the Labour Party as a properly Socialist/Communist Party. That has failed to develop organically so this is the route. Take over an existing Social Democratic party, own it's finances, buildings, machinery and let the moderates go to fck. The belief is that the factionalised left will coalesce behind this new one and replace the unwanted wishy-washy Social Democrats.

This week one of Jeremy's inner team said the Labour Party is incidental to this greater aim. Collateral damage I think were the words.

Strangely enough, I suspect we're not a million miles apart. The Tory party has a very right wing element (economically motivated, rather than racially motivated). We would (and do) disagree on a number of ways of going about that. Survival of the fittest vs protection of the weakest. I think the Tories are better at the former, Labour too way the latter.

[Bruce Rioja]

Kinnock's now calling for JC to stand down. Kinnock, a man famed for being a political disaster and for falling into the sea. Has since ridden the gravy train quite like no other.

[LeverEnd]

Kinnock's now calling for JC to stand down. Kinnock, a man famed for being a political disaster and for falling into the sea. Has since ridden the gravy train quite like no other.

Used to see him at the European Parliament in the mid 90s. Always very cheerful and pleasant. A 150k commissioners salary would help that along of course! Plus Glenys' wedge.

[Lord Kangana]

And his son isn't it aswell?

[Harry Genshaw]

Letter in the Telegraph yesterday

"Sir, I've been away on holiday for the last fortnight. Have I missed anything? "

[BWFC_Insane]

Kinnock's now calling for JC to stand down. Kinnock, a man famed for being a political disaster and for falling into the sea. Has since ridden the gravy train quite like no other.

Not sure I'd describe Kinnock as a political disaster exactly. He wrestled the Labour Party away from the hard left and withstood a challenge from Benn to prevent it going backwards. He started the reform of the party to a centre left opposition. He took the party from a completely unelectable, verging on communist hard left mess to something that little over a decade later won a landslide election. Part of that was down to Kinnock.

Sure the party moved even further to the centre after Kinnock but he did start the process.

Bizarrely Corbyn presumably was one of the few MPs who backed Benn's leadership challenge against Kinnock.

One can't help but feel this is all one massive revenge from the small group of hard left Labour MPs who felt sidelined after 83.

[Hoboh]

Kinnock's now calling for JC to stand down. Kinnock, a man famed for being a political disaster and for falling into the sea. Has since ridden the gravy train quite like no other.

Not sure I'd describe Kinnock as a political disaster exactly. He wrestled the Labour Party away from the hard left and withstood a challenge from Benn to prevent it going backwards. He started the reform of the party to a centre left opposition. He took the party from a completely unelectable, verging on communist hard left mess to something that little over a decade later won a landslide election. Part of that was down to Kinnock.

Sure the party moved even further to the centre after Kinnock but he did start the process.

Bizarrely Corbyn presumably was one of the few MPs who backed Benn's leadership challenge against Kinnock.

One can't help but feel this is all one massive revenge from the small group of hard left Labour MPs who felt sidelined after 83.

Now't to do with Lefty MP's me old fruit, it's the Unions.