The Politics Thread

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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
13
41%
Conservatives
12
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
6%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
9%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 32

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Hoboh » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:25 pm

thebish wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:What a high heel machine?

This is just all getting a bit too weied for me.

he's missing Frau Merkel... :D
Speaking of high heels, I'll tell you what's weird, that advert for the insurance brokers, well weird.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Beefheart » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:41 pm

Has Paul Mason just gone a bit nuts lately or was I just not paying attention previously?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:08 pm

Hoboh wrote:
thebish wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:What a high heel machine?

This is just all getting a bit too weied for me.

he's missing Frau Merkel... :D
Speaking of high heels, I'll tell you what's weird, that advert for the insurance brokers, well weird.
Dressed my mate up as him for his stag do in Berlin.. Walking through the airport in Denim shorts with the arse padded out and high heels. Couldn't move for people stopping him for a photo!! :lol:
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:14 pm

speaking of Faridge...

Simon Maddrell (known to some on here) wrote (on fb)
"I want my life back" says Nigel Farage - the man ranked 747th out of 751 for Euro Parliament attendance - "but I will stay on as an MEP for two years, saying something every now and again".
[for £6,700 a month]

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:16 pm

Attedance figures??! Hahahaha

feck me, this is desperate stuff
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:17 pm

If he didn't need to be there, why the fvck waste the flight money

If he went to every one, he'd get panned for that too
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Post by thebish » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:22 pm

boltonboris wrote:If he didn't need to be there, why the fvck waste the flight money

If he went to every one, he'd get panned for that too

cos he was supposed to be busy championing the UK fishing industry whilst he took up a place on the European Parliament fishing committee?? errr - doing his job? :conf:

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:31 pm

thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:47 pm

Enoch wrote:
thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.
Is his job not to represent his constituents at the European parliament then?

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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:51 pm

Enoch wrote:
thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.
I think if you are on the fisheries committee you are supposed to turn up more than once...particularly if you're going to make a big show of wanting to save the UK fishing industry. I'd say he failed to do his job in at least that particular area.

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Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:01 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
Enoch wrote:
thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.
I think if you are on the fisheries committee you are supposed to turn up more than once...particularly if you're going to make a big show of wanting to save the UK fishing industry. I'd say he failed to do his job in at least that particular area.
I think if you are democratically elected on a mandate to leave an organisation you are duty bound to do all you can to achieve that end.

Farage may claim he has done more to save the UK fishing industry than anyone else in the past 50 years.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:04 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Enoch wrote:
thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.
Is his job not to represent his constituents at the European parliament then?
Ask the constituents that democratically elected him if they are happy with his efforts as their MEP.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:08 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:
Enoch wrote:
thebish wrote:errr - doing his job? :conf:
His job as you perceive it, not as he perceived it?

He clearly thinks he did his job with some degree of success. The constituents that elected him, democratically, to do a job, one presumes are also satisfied with his performance.
I think if you are on the fisheries committee you are supposed to turn up more than once...particularly if you're going to make a big show of wanting to save the UK fishing industry. I'd say he failed to do his job in at least that particular area.
Actually it's not true to say that Nigel Farage was elected democratically to do a job (other than by UKIP). He's never been elected an MEP (as no MEPs are directly elected).

European elections are done on a closed-list PR basis - so voter votes for parties. Parties gain number of seats based on PR votes cast. Party then allocates their share of the seats to whoever they see fit, who was on their closed list.

Unelected beauro, baeuro, burro, bureau.....fck it, nice person.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:11 pm

Worthy4England wrote:European elections are done on a closed-list PR basis - so voter votes for parties. Parties gain number of seats based on PR votes cast. Party then allocates their share of the seats to whoever they see fit, who was on their closed list.
..and that, is democracy at work.

People voted for UKIP well aware of what they stood for, also, by-the-by, well aware Nige was top of their list.

Elected MEP.

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Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:15 pm

Regardless of who elected who, the job of a British MEP is to represent the interests of the particular bit of the UK he/she is supposed to represent. Whilst there is no doubt Farage has been successful in his aim of Brexit and representing the view of a significant number of UK citizens, he has spectacularly failed in making use of his position on a committee and influencing change to the things he says are wrong. Turning up and influencing policy to the advantage of UK fishing doesn't mean he can't represent his main aim as well. For that he should be ashamed.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:18 pm

Enoch wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:European elections are done on a closed-list PR basis - so voter votes for parties. Parties gain number of seats based on PR votes cast. Party then allocates their share of the seats to whoever they see fit, who was on their closed list.
..and that, is democracy at work.

People voted for UKIP well aware of what they stood for, also, by-the-by, well aware Nige was top of their list.

Elected MEP.
I agree on sentence number 1 and not sentence number 2. :-)

By that logic - people voted for Conservative at the last election, well aware that their Party manifesto was remain in Europe with Dave top of their list. Should there now be a General Election?

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Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:19 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:Regardless of who elected who, the job of a British MEP is to represent the interests of the particular bit of the UK he/she is supposed to represent. Whilst there is no doubt Farage has been successful in his aim of Brexit and representing the view of a significant number of UK citizens, he has spectacularly failed in making use of his position on a committee and influencing change to the things he says are wrong. Turning up and influencing policy to the advantage of UK fishing doesn't mean he can't represent his main aim as well. For that he should be ashamed.
How does the UK leaving the EU not constitute the most fundamental of changes?

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by boltonboris » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:21 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Enoch wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:European elections are done on a closed-list PR basis - so voter votes for parties. Parties gain number of seats based on PR votes cast. Party then allocates their share of the seats to whoever they see fit, who was on their closed list.
..and that, is democracy at work.

People voted for UKIP well aware of what they stood for, also, by-the-by, well aware Nige was top of their list.

Elected MEP.
I agree on sentence number 1 and not sentence number 2. :-)

By that logic - people voted for Conservative at the last election, well aware that their Party manifesto was remain in Europe with Dave top of their list. Should there now be a General Election?
Yes, there should.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by thebish » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:21 pm

boltonboris wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
Enoch wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:European elections are done on a closed-list PR basis - so voter votes for parties. Parties gain number of seats based on PR votes cast. Party then allocates their share of the seats to whoever they see fit, who was on their closed list.
..and that, is democracy at work.

People voted for UKIP well aware of what they stood for, also, by-the-by, well aware Nige was top of their list.

Elected MEP.
I agree on sentence number 1 and not sentence number 2. :-)

By that logic - people voted for Conservative at the last election, well aware that their Party manifesto was remain in Europe with Dave top of their list. Should there now be a General Election?
Yes, there should.
agreed.

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Re: The Politics Thread

Post by Enoch » Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:22 pm

Worthy4England wrote:people voted for Conservative at the last election, well aware that their Party manifesto was remain in Europe with Dave top of their list. Should there now be a General Election?
That's an interesting question.

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