The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Point of order here, but didn't Nick 'posh boy' Clegg poll twice as many votes as Farage in the previous but one election? Didn't he propose proportional representation? Weren't Ukipers whinging about their level of support not being in line with seats gained in the last electon, after not having supported that proposal? Are these difficult questions when you're angry but you're not quite sure what with?

I'm not angry per se, irritated with those who reckon a little tremors in finance, ups and downs over a few days (well a week if we are being specific) spell Armageddon.
As for posh boy, he was so clever he almost lost his own seat!

Nobody ever said that. People warned of the risk of negative economic consequences of leaving the EU. We've not left yet and the mere result of the vote has already had negative economic consequences. Those consequences are already noteworthy enough for the BoE to be concerned.

There are also hints (not evidence yet just hints) of a broader problem in terms of consumer confidence.

Of course stupid things were said by both sides prior to the vote. But the leavers said coming out wouldn't cause any problems and we'd be fine and dandy. Some of them even said if it was a leave vote we should pull out immediately and there'd be no problem. They changed their tune within hours of the result.

You might not be happy, but a lot of our service and finance led economy will see negative effects from this decision. Whether those effects can be mitigated and the storm ridden out is a different question, and whether what is on the other side is any better is an even bigger one.

But it was and still is stupid to bury heads in the sand and pretend that things you might not like or even be involved with weren't going to happen. This is different to the global financial crisis in 2007 and institutions and the government knew this was coming so presumably plans are in place to try and mitigate the fall out. But the suggestion there wouldn't be a fall out is as ridiculous as any figures the remain campaign made up.

Face it, deep down, if you dare admit it to yourself, you're not convinced we'll come through the other side better off. Nobody at this stage can be because nobody, not a single person with any credibly mandate has articulated what the other side is. And no amount of rhetoric is going to make the situation disappear until we're at the point of knowing what the situation is and will be.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Are we ignoring the Leadsom vs. May leadership (next PM) issue or have I missed it?

For me I favour May, having had top level Cabinet experience but if I'm honest I'm not inspired by either.

Better than Gove though? May that is.

[Gary the Enfield]

Are we ignoring the Leadsom vs. May leadership (next PM) issue or have I missed it?

For me I favour May, having had top level Cabinet experience but if I'm honest I'm not inspired by either.

Better than Gove though? May that is.

Absolutely. If there was ever a politician I could slap until my palm bleeds it would be him.

[Enoch]

If there was ever a politician I could slap until my palm bleeds it would be him.

Much experience in this area?

[Hoboh]

Point of order here, but didn't Nick 'posh boy' Clegg poll twice as many votes as Farage in the previous but one election? Didn't he propose proportional representation? Weren't Ukipers whinging about their level of support not being in line with seats gained in the last electon, after not having supported that proposal? Are these difficult questions when you're angry but you're not quite sure what with?

I'm not angry per se, irritated with those who reckon a little tremors in finance, ups and downs over a few days (well a week if we are being specific) spell Armageddon.
As for posh boy, he was so clever he almost lost his own seat!

Nobody ever said that. People warned of the risk of negative economic consequences of leaving the EU. We've not left yet and the mere result of the vote has already had negative economic consequences. Those consequences are already noteworthy enough for the BoE to be concerned.

There are also hints (not evidence yet just hints) of a broader problem in terms of consumer confidence.

Of course stupid things were said by both sides prior to the vote. But the leavers said coming out wouldn't cause any problems and we'd be fine and dandy. Some of them even said if it was a leave vote we should pull out immediately and there'd be no problem. They changed their tune within hours of the result.

You might not be happy, but a lot of our service and finance led economy will see negative effects from this decision. Whether those effects can be mitigated and the storm ridden out is a different question, and whether what is on the other side is any better is an even bigger one.

But it was and still is stupid to bury heads in the sand and pretend that things you might not like or even be involved with weren't going to happen. This is different to the global financial crisis in 2007 and institutions and the government knew this was coming so presumably plans are in place to try and mitigate the fall out. But the suggestion there wouldn't be a fall out is as ridiculous as any figures the remain campaign made up.

Face it, deep down, if you dare admit it to yourself, you're not convinced we'll come through the other side better off. Nobody at this stage can be because nobody, not a single person with any credibly mandate has articulated what the other side is. And no amount of rhetoric is going to make the situation disappear until we're at the point of knowing what the situation is and will be.

Exactly!

Still hasn't done anything to keep the doom monger remainers quiet though as it?

Once we have a new PM who assembles negotiating teams and we know who is on them and broadly what we are aiming for, then is the time to react and I voted out because I believe it will not be negative.

Btw if HSBC or whoever pull out of the UK, any accounts or whatever I have will be pulled from them and everyone should take that attitude. Don't believe in the UK then feck off and lend to or manage the Greeks accounts.

[Worthy4England]

Point of order here, but didn't Nick 'posh boy' Clegg poll twice as many votes as Farage in the previous but one election? Didn't he propose proportional representation? Weren't Ukipers whinging about their level of support not being in line with seats gained in the last electon, after not having supported that proposal? Are these difficult questions when you're angry but you're not quite sure what with?

I'm not angry per se, irritated with those who reckon a little tremors in finance, ups and downs over a few days (well a week if we are being specific) spell Armageddon.
As for posh boy, he was so clever he almost lost his own seat!

Nobody ever said that. People warned of the risk of negative economic consequences of leaving the EU. We've not left yet and the mere result of the vote has already had negative economic consequences. Those consequences are already noteworthy enough for the BoE to be concerned.

There are also hints (not evidence yet just hints) of a broader problem in terms of consumer confidence.

Of course stupid things were said by both sides prior to the vote. But the leavers said coming out wouldn't cause any problems and we'd be fine and dandy. Some of them even said if it was a leave vote we should pull out immediately and there'd be no problem. They changed their tune within hours of the result.

You might not be happy, but a lot of our service and finance led economy will see negative effects from this decision. Whether those effects can be mitigated and the storm ridden out is a different question, and whether what is on the other side is any better is an even bigger one.

But it was and still is stupid to bury heads in the sand and pretend that things you might not like or even be involved with weren't going to happen. This is different to the global financial crisis in 2007 and institutions and the government knew this was coming so presumably plans are in place to try and mitigate the fall out. But the suggestion there wouldn't be a fall out is as ridiculous as any figures the remain campaign made up.

Face it, deep down, if you dare admit it to yourself, you're not convinced we'll come through the other side better off. Nobody at this stage can be because nobody, not a single person with any credibly mandate has articulated what the other side is. And no amount of rhetoric is going to make the situation disappear until we're at the point of knowing what the situation is and will be.

Exactly!

Still hasn't done anything to keep the doom monger remainers quiet though as it?

Once we have a new PM who assembles negotiating teams and we know who is on them and broadly what we are aiming for, then is the time to react and I voted out because I believe it will not be negative.

Btw if HSBC or whoever pull out of the UK, any accounts or whatever I have will be pulled from them and everyone should take that attitude. Don't believe in the UK then feck off and lend to or manage the Greeks accounts.

If HSBC relocate, it'll be because their passporting rights aren't guaranteed or their trading conditions have been significantly impacted by our vote - they won't just do it to pi$$ Hoboh off. There were plenty of questions about guaranteeing passporting rights before the vote - no one had an answer.

If you want to keep doom mongers quiet, there needs to be a plan - this was mentioned in passing.

What should we be aiming for in terms of free trade vs free movement? What should we be aiming for in terms of immigration targets given we're "full to busting"? They both seemed fairly fundamental to you, so I'm sure you'll be able to articulate a decent viewpoint.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Have to say I'm rather enjoying the exchange rate at the moment. Saving a fortune on Amazon stuff and topping up my UK bank account. keep it up Brexiteers

[Gary the Enfield]

If there was ever a politician I could slap until my palm bleeds it would be him.

Much experience in this area?

Slapping politicians until my palms bleed? No. Why do you ask?

[Harry Genshaw]

Are we ignoring the Leadsom vs. May leadership (next PM) issue or have I missed it?

For me I favour May, having had top level Cabinet experience but if I'm honest I'm not inspired by either.

Aye. Uninspiring. Leadsom is a hunting supporter so she can get to feck for me. The only positive thing I can see about May is that she's not Nicky Morgan. Anyway Corbyn should trounce either of em

[Lord Kangana]

Have to say I'm rather enjoying the exchange rate at the moment. Saving a fortune on Amazon stuff and topping up my UK bank account. keep it up Brexiteers

Don't use Amazon anymore! But the last 18 months have been a bit of a boon buying wine directly from the continent - cheaper to pay people to import it and pay in euros than pay for it here. I just hope they don't scrap the equalisation of Vat rates and the like, otherwise you're going to be hit with expensive bills after paying that and the duty twice on goods.

[bobo the clown]

The US shootings of black people doing not a great deal is an awful trend. Apparently approx 40 black men a week are shot by the police. It'll be a huge & complicated situation & I have no comparative details and I'm sure some of these are bad people.

Then some guy deciding to shoot 5 policemen in Dallas. Terrible. Awful.

But then they corner that man ..... and the cops send in a mini tractor/tank used in bomb disposal work ... AND THEY BLOW HIM UP !! Really, actually BLEW HIM UP !!

.... & this is before Trump possibly takes the reins.

I mean, bloody hell ... THEY BLEW HIM UP !!!

[Little Green Man]

What's new? Agencies in the US have been blowing people up remotely for many years, including some whose only misdemeanour seems to have been traveling a wedding.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Have to say I'm rather enjoying the exchange rate at the moment. Saving a fortune on Amazon stuff and topping up my UK bank account. keep it up Brexiteers

Don't use Amazon anymore! But the last 18 months have been a bit of a boon buying wine directly from the continent - cheaper to pay people to import it and pay in euros than pay for it here. I just hope they don't scrap the equalisation of Vat rates and the like, otherwise you're going to be hit with expensive bills after paying that and the duty twice on goods.

I'd rather not use Amazon, probably for the same reasons as you, but they're one of the few that I can use my UAE cards with and will ship to forwarders. Even with international shipping costs and paying vat it is often cheaper to buy in the UK than here. The other thing is that shops here sell the same narrow range of goods at the same inflated prices. They're introducing vat here in a year or 2 so it's going to get worse.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Watching the shootings coverage in Dallas I thought they'd moved the army in for a moment. You then had saluting and blowing the suspect up. Looks to me like they've dispensed with policing in the US and now just use the military. Massively fcuked up country.

[Bruce Rioja]

I didn't know a thing about Andrea Leadsom until a few days ago. However, everything I've heard about her since seem to indicate her to be, to me anyway, a rather risible human being.

[BWFC_Insane]

I didn't know a thing about Andrea Leadsom until a few days ago. However, everything I've heard about her since seem to indicate her to be, to me anyway, a rather risible human being.

B-B-Butttt she's a mum......

[Lord Kangana]

I don't know, I think there'll be one or two looking forward to a bit of military discipline being administered by a woman PM.

[Bruce Rioja]

I didn't know a thing about Andrea Leadsom until a few days ago. However, everything I've heard about her since seem to indicate her to be, to me anyway, a rather risible human being.

B-B-Butttt she's a mum......

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[Worthy4England]

I didn't know a thing about Andrea Leadsom until a few days ago. However, everything I've heard about her since seem to indicate her to be, to me anyway, a rather risible human being.

B-B-Butttt she's a mum......

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I can't see her winning, but if you'd told me Theresa May would be PM in September, back in January, then that'd have surprised me too.

[Worthy4England]

Angles Eagles will announce her leadership bid on Monday. Gawd help us. As an aside, if you tell a journo your going to announce your leadership bid, haven't you, in fact, announced it?