Brexit or Britin

[thebish]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

there was a time when we didn't know atoms were there... and there was a time when we thought the world was flat... thank feck we wasted all that cash researching those matters.

[Hoboh]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

Who is to say it wont lead to breakthroughs in years to come. We could of course just stick to things that bring instant gratification and bollocks to the future.

That's one problem with scientists and researchers, a bloody huge expensive toy to further human development by what? A maybe.

And whilst on the subject, who really gives a shit if there is a trace of water on Mars or the odd bone in Uranus?
I mean come on, we are fecked at the bottom end of our society yet we spend billions on these projects to keep some researchers happy!

All I want to know about space is if something big is going to hit us in the next 30 years or so and what we are capable of doing to stop it, not the depth of a crater in some far flung point of the universe or a black hole they really know fcuk all about, just theories.
Now there's an idea, maybe we could fly these sensitive researchers who think their life and worth is far more than the average bin man off to personally experience a black hole.

[Hoboh]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

there was a time when we didn't know atoms were there... and there was a time when we thought the world was flat... thank feck we wasted all that cash researching those matters.

I don't think they wasted much money researching a flat world bish, just had the equivalent of Indiana Jones sail off in a boat to find the worlds edge.

As for the atoms, the world would be a far safer place.

[Hoboh]

Told you guys that there would be impacts that you might not directly notice. Scientists are now being cut from international projects. Really sad to read, and it will hinder our (inter)national R&D capabilities.

No offence meant here but surely the real brains in R&D are employed and work for the global companies and not financed solely by public funding?

Anyway, which ever way you look at the result Cameron cocked up, he should merely have said he would hold a referendum in the next parliamentary term, given he was going before then his successor (Osbourne?) could then have back tracked on the promise using the thing that undid Cameron, circumstances.

None taken mate. As montreal and AT have said most high quality research is carried out by universities (PhD candidates through to professional academics), government organisations, and research groups born out of collaborations; all of which are publicly funded in some way. Generally speaking private funding tends to lead to bias (again as they said!) - see the whole vaccinations causing autism debacle, privately funded and falsified research.

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

You do realise the applications that come from technology like this? Computing and modelling technology, electronics, high speed data analysis, radiation detectors, accelerators for use in medical and life sciences, new superconducting technologies, cryogenics (specifically for MRIs and things)? It's not just 'finding a particle that everyone knew was there'. You know the communication tool you're currently using to rant about publicly funded European research? Developed at CERN on the back of experiments like this. Give something called 'technology transfer' a read.

Edit: In fact here's an entire document on the impact that this sort of research has on every day lives.

But all this stuff existed to build the super toy in the first place, it's not just been discovered as a result of billions on a giant ray gun.

Sorry to point this out to you fella but the biggest leaps in tech and a lot of other areas come from conflict and the way things are going it's about to get another boost.

[BWFC_Insane]

Told you guys that there would be impacts that you might not directly notice. Scientists are now being cut from international projects. Really sad to read, and it will hinder our (inter)national R&D capabilities.

No offence meant here but surely the real brains in R&D are employed and work for the global companies and not financed solely by public funding?

Anyway, which ever way you look at the result Cameron cocked up, he should merely have said he would hold a referendum in the next parliamentary term, given he was going before then his successor (Osbourne?) could then have back tracked on the promise using the thing that undid Cameron, circumstances.

Well no. Global companies, take Pharmaceuticals for example, are often not that interested in big breakthroughs. They do routine science with decently qualified people for things like drug discovery. But the real innovative thinking and boundary pushing research is publicallly funded.

A lot of so called "R&D" that companies do is merely taking ideas/designs/products that already exist and modifying and testing them for their own purposes. It isn't the same as publically funded science research in many cases.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

Who is to say it wont lead to breakthroughs in years to come. We could of course just stick to things that bring instant gratification and bollocks to the future.

That's one problem with scientists and researchers, a bloody huge expensive toy to further human development by what? A maybe.

And whilst on the subject, who really gives a shit if there is a trace of water on Mars or the odd bone in Uranus?
I mean come on, we are fecked at the bottom end of our society yet we spend billions on these projects to keep some researchers happy!

All I want to know about space is if something big is going to hit us in the next 30 years or so and what we are capable of doing to stop it, not the depth of a crater in some far flung point of the universe or a black hole they really know fcuk all about, just theories.
Now there's an idea, maybe we could fly these sensitive researchers who think their life and worth is far more than the average bin man off to personally experience a black hole.

I'm guessing you live in a cave and want nowt to do with any of the progress made in the last thousand years or so. Nobody hands money to researchers to make them happy. They hand money over with lots of restrictions and caveats so that we can progress. Understanding what happens on Mars, or Uranus for that matter, means that we might understand more about how the solar system works, which might help us in combating the absolute mess we're making of our own planet. Understanding depth of craters might help us understand what caused said crater, which in turn might help us work out how to avoid such a crater replacing your cave.

[BWFC_Insane]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

Who is to say it wont lead to breakthroughs in years to come. We could of course just stick to things that bring instant gratification and bollocks to the future.

That's one problem with scientists and researchers, a bloody huge expensive toy to further human development by what? A maybe.

And whilst on the subject, who really gives a shit if there is a trace of water on Mars or the odd bone in Uranus?
I mean come on, we are fecked at the bottom end of our society yet we spend billions on these projects to keep some researchers happy!

All I want to know about space is if something big is going to hit us in the next 30 years or so and what we are capable of doing to stop it, not the depth of a crater in some far flung point of the universe or a black hole they really know fcuk all about, just theories.
Now there's an idea, maybe we could fly these sensitive researchers who think their life and worth is far more than the average bin man off to personally experience a black hole.

Yes you're right. The international scientific community is wasting it's time trying to answer huge questions about the Universe or research new technologies or drugs.

What they need to do, is just pop round yours and find out what you want to know. That way I'm sure they can be doing something useful like calculating the tensile strength of fecking hob nob biscuits rather than fannying about with all that sub-atomic particle gibberish or worrying about the future of the planet....

[bobo the clown]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

[Gary the Enfield]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

Well, as it's the God Particle could you not, like, rule the world?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

Well, as it's the God Particle could you not, like, rule the world?

Nope. Tears for Fears already nabbed that particular job.

[Gary the Enfield]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

Well, as it's the God Particle could you not, like, rule the world?

Nope. Tears for Fears already nabbed that particular job.

I knew there was a reason I hated Eighties Electro-pop.

[Worthy4England]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

You look at your HR list, determine you don't know what it does, determine it can't be very important then, sack it and watch the world end.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

What would you do with a bucket of any sub-atomic particles, say protons?

But then understanding sub-atomic structure has been fairly useful for chemistry which in turn is applied into organic chemistry which in turn is applied into the methods for drug discovery........

[Hoboh]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

What would you do with a bucket of any sub-atomic particles, say protons?

But then understanding sub-atomic structure has been fairly useful for chemistry which in turn is applied into organic chemistry which in turn is applied into the methods for drug discovery........

Aye, it's been pretty well upfront in providing the means to terminate most living things in milliseconds.

[Hoboh]

Well, we're still involved with CERN thank God. How else could we have spent more than our fair share of €20bn to find a particle everyone knew was there but we can do fck all with now it's been proven. Big "Yay" for publicly funded European research.

Who is to say it wont lead to breakthroughs in years to come. We could of course just stick to things that bring instant gratification and bollocks to the future.

That's one problem with scientists and researchers, a bloody huge expensive toy to further human development by what? A maybe.

And whilst on the subject, who really gives a shit if there is a trace of water on Mars or the odd bone in Uranus?
I mean come on, we are fecked at the bottom end of our society yet we spend billions on these projects to keep some researchers happy!

All I want to know about space is if something big is going to hit us in the next 30 years or so and what we are capable of doing to stop it, not the depth of a crater in some far flung point of the universe or a black hole they really know fcuk all about, just theories.
Now there's an idea, maybe we could fly these sensitive researchers who think their life and worth is far more than the average bin man off to personally experience a black hole.

I'm guessing you live in a cave and want nowt to do with any of the progress made in the last thousand years or so. Nobody hands money to researchers to make them happy. They hand money over with lots of restrictions and caveats so that we can progress. Understanding what happens on Mars, or Uranus for that matter, means that we might understand more about how the solar system works, which might help us in combating the absolute mess we're making of our own planet. Understanding depth of craters might help us understand what caused said crater, which in turn might help us work out how to avoid such a crater replacing your cave.

I live in a nice 3 bedroom house thank you and I don't mind progress in the slightest, but all that bollocks about space is exactly that, bollocks.
We ain't going to get a real life version of James T Kirk for at least a millennium if at all and providing humans still exist.

[thebish]

^^no-one is arguing about research on drugs. Some of the esoteric high-end .... & staggeringly expensive stuff is simply kite flying with no end goal.

I I found a bucket of Higgs Bosun what would I do with it ?

aye - and the experience of progress is that it is often kite0-flying research that leads to the expansion of knowledge... that's a good thing.

i think the idea that people are handed billions of quids with no restrictions and a looney idea to research bobbins and live off the fat of their gold-plated grants is simply Daily-Mail bobbins-talk.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I live in a nice 3 bedroom house thank you and I don't mind progress in the slightest, but all that bollocks about space is exactly that, bollocks.
We ain't going to get a real life version of James T Kirk for at least a millennium if at all and providing humans still exist.

You do realise that a lot of that space bollocks has led to every day things you take for granted.

[boltonboris]

These scientists that work on subsidies and are based in universities etc, how much do they do that leads to more breakthroughs in technology etc, than lets say, BAE systems in the private sector, for example?

[BWFC_Insane]

These scientists that work on subsidies and are based in universities etc, how much do they do that leads to more breakthroughs in technology etc, than lets say, BAE systems in the private sector, for example?

Lots. It's why BAE systems partners with so many Universities for such a wide array of projects.

[Prufrock]

BAE send loads of theirs back to uni to do masters and PhDs and the like.