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[thebish]

While I appreciate since folk are on a fishing mission. There's a nice irony about people posting on internet forums about how useful CERN are and how they don't have any real world applications!

I think the internet receded CERN & would have developed quite nicely without it.

CERN started in 1954.

was there internet before that?

[Worthy4England]

It's fairly moot. CERN did not invent the internet. Their project by Berners-Lee et.al. was of course to do with the World Wide Web (W3)...the two are not (or shouldn't be) synonymous.

The reality is that there were quite a lot of organisations working out how to share data in a linked manner (such as hyper text markup language) and the like. CERN did a pretty good job of codifying lots of research in the same space...

[Hoboh]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

[BWFC_Insane]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

What has that got to do with CERN?

[Hoboh]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

What has that got to do with CERN?

Well idiot! it means CERN didn't start the internet nor invent it.

And the other two are expensive advances in technology.

[Beefheart]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

Do we actually need cars or microwaves or pants?

[Hoboh]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

Do we actually need cars or microwaves or pants?

Not been spending billions on them recently and doubt we spent billions on finding them then.

[BWFC_Insane]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

What has that got to do with CERN?

Well idiot! it means CERN didn't start the internet nor invent it.

And the other two are expensive advances in technology.

CERN were fairly prominent in the development of the internet as we know it today. As W4E states CERN developed the www, we all use today. Lets remember that isn't their mission statement either, it was an offshoot of the work they did to share data across the community.

But fundamental understanding of science is crucial is it not? It might not change YOUR life today but the impact can be massive, beyond any imagination.

[BWFC_Insane]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

Do we actually need cars or microwaves or pants?

Not been spending billions on them recently and doubt we spent billions on finding them then.

Yes we all know the pant and microwave trees are easily accessible and it didn't take society long to find them.....

[Hoboh]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

Do we actually need cars or microwaves or pants?

Not been spending billions on them recently and doubt we spent billions on finding them then.

Yes we all know the pant and microwave trees are easily accessible and it didn't take society long to find them.....

We didn't spend billions on them!

Just were do you draw the line on spending on maybe's?

Perhaps you'd like to tell the poor disabled bloke he cannot have PIP because we are spending billions on something that may or may not be of use in fifty, hundred.... years time or maybe there might have been water on fcuking Mars!

[Beefheart]

I believe the 'internet' was started by the US military.

The point is not the great voyage of discovery, merely should we be spending so much on it when there is all the inequality in the world?

Do we actually need Trident or 20 mins off a rail journey?

Or even find what was a theoretical particle? Seems a lot of dosh just prove someone right and for what real purpose, a load of masturbating scientists saying look we were right.

Do we actually need cars or microwaves or pants?

Not been spending billions on them recently and doubt we spent billions on finding them then.

Yes we all know the pant and microwave trees are easily accessible and it didn't take society long to find them.....

We didn't spend billions on them!

Just were do you draw the line on spending on maybe's?

Perhaps you'd like to tell the poor disabled bloke he cannot have PIP because we are spending billions on something that may or may not be of use in fifty, hundred.... years time or maybe there might have been water on fcuking Mars!

Where do you draw it?

[BWFC_Insane]

We didn't spend billions on them!

Just were do you draw the line on spending on maybe's?

Perhaps you'd like to tell the poor disabled bloke he cannot have PIP because we are spending billions on something that may or may not be of use in fifty, hundred.... years time or maybe there might have been water on fcuking Mars!

How much do you think has been spent on research into fabrics and associated manufacturing processes?

How much was spent on research on microwaves (though discovered accidentally by a researcher) and then subsequent research into development of the various devices that utilise microwaves?

How much research has fed directly into engine technology for cars down the years?

It WILL be billions.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Perhaps you'd like to tell the poor disabled bloke he cannot have PIP because we are spending billions on something that may or may not be of use in fifty, hundred.... years time or maybe there might have been water on fcuking Mars!

The poor bloke can't have PIP because we spent billions on research, he can't have it because we have a government hell bent on reducing state spending to the size of a postage stamp and nobody opposes them sufficiently in parliament. We have a population that votes these sorts of governments in. The government could stop giving tax cuts that largely benefit those that don't need them. These are some of the reasons your poor bloke doesn't get the support he needs. There are more, but research generally isn't one of them.

[boltonboris]

So is there water on Mars, or not FFS?

[Lord Kangana]

I thought everyone knew there was?

[boltonboris]

I thought everyone knew there was?

So why the feck are people still asking for money?

Let's just assume there's possibly water on planets that we can't get to and some sciency stuff happened ages ago and give all the money to nursez an souljers

[Beefheart]

I thought everyone knew there was?

So why the feck are people still asking for money?

Let's just assume there's possibly water on planets that we can't get to and some sciency stuff happened ages ago and give all the money to nursez an souljers

We'll finally be able to pay them as much as premier league footballers.

[Lord Kangana]

I have no idea whether there is water on Mars or not by the way.

[Montreal Wanderer]

I have no idea whether there is water on Mars or not by the way.

Oh, I thought there was definitely H2O in ice form. Still, I never question LK's judgment.

[bedwetter2]

Perhaps you'd like to tell the poor disabled bloke he cannot have PIP because we are spending billions on something that may or may not be of use in fifty, hundred.... years time or maybe there might have been water on fcuking Mars!

The poor bloke can't have PIP because we spent billions on research, he can't have it because we have a government hell bent on reducing state spending to the size of a postage stamp and nobody opposes them sufficiently in parliament. We have a population that votes these sorts of governments in. The government could stop giving tax cuts that largely benefit those that don't need them. These are some of the reasons your poor bloke doesn't get the support he needs. There are more, but research generally isn't one of them.

Giving tax cuts? The concept of the government allowing us to have some of our money back doesn't constitute giving. It may be described as taking a little less from us....perhaps.
The same lazy way of thinking also permeates the idea of "progressive" politics, a description mentioned with pride in connection with their policies by the Labour party. There is nothing progressive at all about most government interference. It usually buggers things up.
Now here's an idea with regard to personal taxation - double the tax free allowance to £24k (I know, I know) and everything above it to be taxed at a flat rate of, say, 38%. No N.I., loopholes or other allowances. At a stroke most lower paid taken out of the tax system and the system made so much simpler that admin. costs would be much lower. Police the payment of the NLW by employers to ensure there is no backsliding.