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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:58 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:UKIP stands for the United Kingdom Independence Party.

I think they're a bunch of xenophobic, racist, faux-nostalgic f*cknuggets who masquerade as a political party.

Being from the UK, does that mean we're all racist, xenophobic faux nostalgic f*cknuggets?
Of course not - you don't all masquerade as a political party. :wink:
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Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:05 pm

:lol:
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Post by Hoboh » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:46 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:UKIP stands for the United Kingdom Independence Party.

I think they're a bunch of xenophobic, racist, faux-nostalgic f*cknuggets who masquerade as a political party.

Being from the UK, does that mean we're all racist, xenophobic faux nostalgic f*cknuggets?
It means some of us don't swallow the fcukngget snowflake line hook, line and sinker!

Nor have said folk revelled in name calling to silence any debate for years.

Oh yes, you can have your worries and fears but only if it ties in with my view of the world types and we don't talk about it, only people good, religion is great, freedom fighters and democracies are not terrorists unless they don't fit our views, Israel!

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Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Aug 07, 2016 3:59 pm

If I understand your rambling right, are you suggesting it's more complicated a picture rhan I've painted? Really, are you sure?
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Post by Worthy4England » Sun Aug 07, 2016 4:52 pm

Hoboh wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:UKIP stands for the United Kingdom Independence Party.

I think they're a bunch of xenophobic, racist, faux-nostalgic f*cknuggets who masquerade as a political party.

Being from the UK, does that mean we're all racist, xenophobic faux nostalgic f*cknuggets?
It means some of us don't swallow the fcukngget snowflake line hook, line and sinker!

Nor have said folk revelled in name calling to silence any debate for years.

Oh yes, you can have your worries and fears but only if it ties in with my view of the world types and we don't talk about it, only people good, religion is great, freedom fighters and democracies are not terrorists unless they don't fit our views, Israel!
So you'd never revel in calling people remainians and snowflakes, then? Good. You rise above it Hobes.

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Post by Hoboh » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:25 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:UKIP stands for the United Kingdom Independence Party.

I think they're a bunch of xenophobic, racist, faux-nostalgic f*cknuggets who masquerade as a political party.

Being from the UK, does that mean we're all racist, xenophobic faux nostalgic f*cknuggets?
It means some of us don't swallow the fcukngget snowflake line hook, line and sinker!

Nor have said folk revelled in name calling to silence any debate for years.

Oh yes, you can have your worries and fears but only if it ties in with my view of the world types and we don't talk about it, only people good, religion is great, freedom fighters and democracies are not terrorists unless they don't fit our views, Israel!
So you'd never revel in calling people remainians and snowflakes, then? Good. You rise above it Hobes.
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Post by malcd1 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 12:47 am

Worthy4England wrote:
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Worthy4England wrote:Well they're terrorists.
Religious terrorists in support of IS (Islamic State). The clue is in the name.
Terrorists are terrorists. IS are a terrorist organization. There have been plenty such down the years. Al Qaeda was very similar yet didn't have Islamic nor State in its name. I'd be very surprised if some of the same terrorist weren't associated to both. Some estimates have the number of Muslims in the world around 1.6 billion. What sort of percentage do you reckon the perpetrators make up?

I really don't get what you're thinking to achieve by posting Religion of Peace things every time an attack happens, but hey it's your bandwidth.
So these terrorists are not carrying these attacks in the name of their religion (Islam), no matter how perverse their thinking?

Muslims are taught that the Quran is the final true religion as it was revealed by the last prophet Mohammed (why do gods always show themselves to illiterate mountain men from the Middle East?) and cannot be changed in any way. This makes it a very dangerous religion when devout follows of Islam take the words of the Quran in its literal sense. After all, that is what they are taught.

It is more than just a religion. It is a complete way of life including government and how to run your life (Sharia - The law of Islam). The idea of wanting to end up with country governed by Sharia and the best way to get there is a religious war with anyone who stands in their way.

If it can be interpreted by some in this barbaric way then it is evil yet we are told that Islam is a peaceful religion. To some it might be but to others most definitely not.
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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Aug 08, 2016 6:24 am

You could interpret many things as evil, if you were of a mind to. That doesn't make it evil. You are also assuming that all 1.6 billion interpret it the same way, which they don't. Utter tosh.

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Post by bedwetter2 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:35 am

Worthy4England wrote:You could interpret many things as evil, if you were of a mind to. That doesn't make it evil. You are also assuming that all 1.6 billion interpret it the same way, which they don't. Utter tosh.
No, but they appear to be open to persuasion.

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Post by bobo the clown » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:40 am

So there are no issues.

Phew. That's a relief.
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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:50 am

bedwetter2 wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:You could interpret many things as evil, if you were of a mind to. That doesn't make it evil. You are also assuming that all 1.6 billion interpret it the same way, which they don't. Utter tosh.
No, but they appear to be open to persuasion.
1.6 billion of them?

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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:51 am

bobo the clown wrote:So there are no issues.

Phew. That's a relief.
Just remind me where I said that? Oh, I didn't.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:49 am

malcd1 wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
malcd1 wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:Well they're terrorists.
Religious terrorists in support of IS (Islamic State). The clue is in the name.
Terrorists are terrorists. IS are a terrorist organization. There have been plenty such down the years. Al Qaeda was very similar yet didn't have Islamic nor State in its name. I'd be very surprised if some of the same terrorist weren't associated to both. Some estimates have the number of Muslims in the world around 1.6 billion. What sort of percentage do you reckon the perpetrators make up?

I really don't get what you're thinking to achieve by posting Religion of Peace things every time an attack happens, but hey it's your bandwidth.
So these terrorists are not carrying these attacks in the name of their religion (Islam), no matter how perverse their thinking?

Muslims are taught that the Quran is the final true religion as it was revealed by the last prophet Mohammed (why do gods always show themselves to illiterate mountain men from the Middle East?) and cannot be changed in any way. This makes it a very dangerous religion when devout follows of Islam take the words of the Quran in its literal sense. After all, that is what they are taught.

It is more than just a religion. It is a complete way of life including government and how to run your life (Sharia - The law of Islam). The idea of wanting to end up with country governed by Sharia and the best way to get there is a religious war with anyone who stands in their way.

If it can be interpreted by some in this barbaric way then it is evil yet we are told that Islam is a peaceful religion. To some it might be but to others most definitely not.
Hang on, interpret? Are you saying that Islam is the only religion interpreted by some to justify barbaric and evil acts? Hint...it isn't....

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Post by CrazyHorse » Mon Aug 08, 2016 9:18 am

Oh well that's alright then. :roll:
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Post by malcd1 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:46 am

Worthy4England wrote:You could interpret many things as evil, if you were of a mind to. That doesn't make it evil. You are also assuming that all 1.6 billion interpret it the same way, which they don't. Utter tosh.
I have never once suggested all Muslims are evil. I have been careful not to insinuate this in any way.

There is not a lot of accurate data on radicalised muslims or who are at least sympathetic to suicide bombings. It all depends on the country. Government agencies around world have estimates of between 15% and 25%. Even taking the lowest figure, this equates to 240 million. Not an insignificant number.
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Post by Worthy4England » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:59 am

Right so "sympathetic to suicide bombings" makes someone a terrorist? What's the split between "sympathetic towards suicide bombings and terrorists?

I was sympathetic towards the US offing Bin Laden (as I suspect were millions of other folks around the world) I guess that makes us christian or agnostic terrorists?

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Post by thebish » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:41 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:So there are no issues.

Phew. That's a relief.
Just remind me where I said that? Oh, I didn't.
Person A: hey - here's a way of describing the problem.
Person B:: I think that's poor analysis of the problem.
Person A: oh - so you're saying there is no problem.
Person B: (sigh)
Ad infinitum.

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Post by Hoboh » Mon Aug 08, 2016 4:22 pm

thebish wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:
bobo the clown wrote:So there are no issues.

Phew. That's a relief.
Just remind me where I said that? Oh, I didn't.
Person A: hey - here's a way of describing the problem.
Person B:: I think that's poor analysis of the problem.
Person A: oh - so you're saying there is no problem.
Person B: (sigh)
Ad infinitum.
Ahhh, but when person B is not allowed an opinion and just dismissed as (take your pick from numerous debate stopping words here) you have your socialist utopia.

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Post by thebish » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:27 pm

I am heartened that you are on the side of person B in this scenario. Bravo!

I would add (just for clarity's sake) that having you opinion challenged and not being allowed to have an opinion are very different things. You (for instance) seem perfectly free to hold and express your opinions - you manifestly ARE allowed to have them.

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Post by Hoboh » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:45 pm

^
Not without having a few names lobbed in my direction from time to time :grin:

But hey I ain't no snowflake who will run for my safe space :lol:

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