The Politics Thread

[Enoch]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

There is that possibility!

[Bijou Bob]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

No. No there isn't.

[Beefheart]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

Yes. That's possible. Dunno how close you were to Foot or Kinnock under their Leadership, but 1992, Labour had pretty much everything going for it. Problem was trying to get a generally moderate right wing electorate to swing as far left as Kinnock. I was at "that rally" in Sheffield when he melted down into his "We're alright" speech and sat there thinking "Oh fcuk". I think Labour could only win with a fcuk up of epic proportions, continuing austerity biting and a move to centre. I really don't see a scenario that Corbyn wins in. Maybe I'll be shown the error of my ways.

Which would then just leave you with the problem of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister.

[Prufrock]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

I mean, technically I suppose...

[Enoch]

It looks from here the next General Election will be a May/Corbyn contest, plus or minus a few fringe campaigns.

Could provide some interesting viewing, not to mention a result that should set the tone for a fair while.

[Enoch]

It looks from here the next General Election will be a May/Corbyn contest, plus or minus a few fringe campaigns.

Could provide some interesting viewing, not to mention a result that should set the tone for a fair while.

[Worthy4England]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

Yes. That's possible. Dunno how close you were to Foot or Kinnock under their Leadership, but 1992, Labour had pretty much everything going for it. Problem was trying to get a generally moderate right wing electorate to swing as far left as Kinnock. I was at "that rally" in Sheffield when he melted down into his "We're alright" speech and sat there thinking "Oh fcuk". I think Labour could only win with a fcuk up of epic proportions, continuing austerity biting and a move to centre. I really don't see a scenario that Corbyn wins in. Maybe I'll be shown the error of my ways.

Which would then just leave you with the problem of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister.

Theoretically yes. Although I don't see it. I can't, for example, see him convincing enough people that he'd use Trident should the "need" ever arise. Whether that's really important doesn't actually matter, in a theoretical/philosophical sense. It's whether the electorate think it's important.

[Beefheart]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

Yes. That's possible. Dunno how close you were to Foot or Kinnock under their Leadership, but 1992, Labour had pretty much everything going for it. Problem was trying to get a generally moderate right wing electorate to swing as far left as Kinnock. I was at "that rally" in Sheffield when he melted down into his "We're alright" speech and sat there thinking "Oh fcuk". I think Labour could only win with a fcuk up of epic proportions, continuing austerity biting and a move to centre. I really don't see a scenario that Corbyn wins in. Maybe I'll be shown the error of my ways.

Which would then just leave you with the problem of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister.

Theoretically yes. Although I don't see it. I can't, for example, see him convincing enough people that he'd use Trident should the "need" ever arise. Whether that's really important doesn't actually matter, in a theoretical/philosophical sense. It's whether the electorate think it's important.

Oh, it won't happen in a million years but whilst for some the only problem with Corbyn is his unelectabilit but even if you fixed that you'd still be left with an incredibly incompetent politician.

[boltonboris]

Is it not possible that there's large swathes of the population that quite like Jeremy and the direction he's taking Labour in and he'll be swept into power at the next election?

Yes. That's possible. Dunno how close you were to Foot or Kinnock under their Leadership, but 1992, Labour had pretty much everything going for it. Problem was trying to get a generally moderate right wing electorate to swing as far left as Kinnock. I was at "that rally" in Sheffield when he melted down into his "We're alright" speech and sat there thinking "Oh fcuk". I think Labour could only win with a fcuk up of epic proportions, continuing austerity biting and a move to centre. I really don't see a scenario that Corbyn wins in. Maybe I'll be shown the error of my ways.

Which would then just leave you with the problem of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister.

Theoretically yes. Although I don't see it. I can't, for example, see him convincing enough people that he'd use Trident should the "need" ever arise. Whether that's really important doesn't actually matter, in a theoretical/philosophical sense. It's whether the electorate think it's important.

Oh, it won't happen in a million years but whilst for some the only problem with Corbyn is his unelectabilit but even if you fixed that you'd still be left with an incredibly incompetent politician.

That describes all current politicians really.. The current standard is incredibly low

[Beefheart]

Well he's still well below average however bad the average may be.

[boltonboris]

So Northern Powerhouse... That fvckin blatant tory lie by Osborne.

Infrastructure projects in the UK broken down per person

People in London: £1869 pp

People in North West: £289 pp

So the infrastructure in London (already superior to everywhere else in UK) gets 6.5X more funding per capita than the supposed heart of the Northern Powerhouse

[Worthy4England]

Would that be the same Northern Powerhouse that they moved from Sheffield to London?

[Enoch]

Would that be the same Northern Powerhouse that they moved from Sheffield to London?

Likely they thought about it and didn't want the thing getting all grimy!

[Hoboh]

Sheffield is a touch to far south anyways for my liking.

[Hoboh]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

[thebish]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

arm-twisting in politics??? never!!! bring back the days of Blair and Campbell.... oh....

[Hoboh]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

arm-twisting in politics??? never!!! bring back the days of Blair and Campbell.... oh....

Fair point but at least those two were only dangerous to overseas countries, the Trots would kill ours.

[bobo the clown]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

Blimey. I wish I'd foreseen this 12 months ago !!

[Hoboh]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

Blimey. I wish I'd foreseen this 12 months ago !!

[Prufrock]

Hard-left “Trotsky entryists” have been “twisting the arms” of young Labour members to shore up Jeremy Corbyn’s control of the party, the deputy leader Tom Watson has said.

In a wide-ranging interview with the Guardian, in which he also called for the reintroduction of elections to the shadow cabinet and the return of the electoral college for selecting future Labour leaders, Watson said he was concerned that infiltration by Trotskyists would end up destroying the party.

Many members of the grassroots Momentum movement, set up to support Corbyn’s leadership, are “deeply interested in political change, in building a more equal society, and are just on a journey in politics that they’re new to”, Watson said. But he suggested some are being manipulated by seasoned hard-left operators.

“There are some old hands twisting young arms in this process, and I’m under no illusions about what’s going on. They are caucusing and factionalising and putting pressure where they can, and that’s how Trotsky entryists operate. Sooner or later, that always ends up in disaster. It always ends up destroying the institutions that are vulnerable, unless you deal with it.”

He added that some “Trots”, who have returned to Labour after being driven out decades ago, “certainly don’t have the best interests of the Labour party at heart. They see the Labour party as a vehicle for revolutionary socialism, and they’re not remotely interested in winning elections, and that’s a problem.”

I knew the buggers had not curled up and hibernated.

arm-twisting in politics??? never!!! bring back the days of Blair and Campbell.... oh....

I thought he was supposed to be different?