The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

^ I don't think theres a great deal wrong with what he actually said in the end and personally, I'd agree with most of it but there's definitely a problem both with the delivery and how it's reported . Corbyn is so far removed from the spin doctors of the Blair and Brown era but they definitely missed Alistair Campbell this week. That the BBC are reporting this and now ignoring the Red Cross comments about the NHS, Israel trying to influence who UK ministers should be. A massive own goal for Labour imo

There are no policies. It's all 'well we must look at that' and 'maybe this, or maybe that'. Then the party contradicts itself.

It's vague idealism. Not even specific. There is a massive difference between a maximum earnings cap and higher taxation or restrictions on individual organisations pay gaps. But it's all just lumped into a vague idea. No policy. Nothing to actually decide on. Just vague an wish you washy statements. That are then contradicted by others in the party.

Same with immigration. What is the policy? Beyond saying we want to stop undercutting of British workers, which I'm sure everyone backs, the question is how. And he doesn't define that. And in fact begins to contradict that initial idea by stating immigration is 'fine as it is'.

Amateur beyond belief.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

^ I don't think theres a great deal wrong with what he actually said in the end and personally, I'd agree with most of it but there's definitely a problem both with the delivery and how it's reported . Corbyn is so far removed from the spin doctors of the Blair and Brown era but they definitely missed Alistair Campbell this week. That the BBC are reporting this and now ignoring the Red Cross comments about the NHS, Israel trying to influence who UK ministers should be. A massive own goal for Labour imo

There are no policies. It's all 'well we must look at that' and 'maybe this, or maybe that'. Then the party contradicts itself.

It's vague idealism. Not even specific. There is a massive difference between a maximum earnings cap and higher taxation or restrictions on individual organisations pay gaps. But it's all just lumped into a vague idea. No policy. Nothing to actually decide on. Just vague an wish you washy statements. That are then contradicted by others in the party.

Same with immigration. What is the policy? Beyond saying we want to stop undercutting of British workers, which I'm sure everyone backs, the question is how. And he doesn't define that. And in fact begins to contradict that initial idea by stating immigration is 'fine as it is'.

Amateur beyond belief.

The same can be said of Trump. Just saying...

You don't need actual policies and detail these days. You just need to broadcast/tweet sound bites and populist nonsense. It's worked for Farage, Trump and so far for the Maybot. Not an ounce of substance between them.

[BWFC_Insane]

The same can be said of Trump. Just saying...

You don't need actual policies and detail these days. You just need to broadcast/tweet sound bites and populist nonsense. It's worked for Farage, Trump and so far for the Maybot. Not an ounce of substance between them.

This was meant to be "Corbyn's" new year re-brand. Positioning Labour towards the traditional vote.

He was meant to be giving a message that said "hey we aren't totally on board with the free market and freedom of movement" to try and swing back some of the working class vote they are losing.

What he said was "we're not wedded to the idea of the free market and freedom of movement....but nor do we rule it out".

I mean come on. The news over here all ran with Labour disaster stories. And interviews with the public saying "I have no idea what Labour stands for anymore" or "I'm confused".

Can't blame them. He created the perfect negative story for them. Only a Corbyn re-brand can turn out worse than the previous model!

There is a difference between ideological grandstanding of Trump and Corbyn. At least Trump spoke to people in a way that made them vote for him. It may have been a load of vague lies. But he "stood" for something. Corbyn can't even grandstand on a far left platform ala Galloway or something, which at the very least would appeal to some. He's just absolutely hopeless.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The same can be said of Trump. Just saying...

You don't need actual policies and detail these days. You just need to broadcast/tweet sound bites and populist nonsense. It's worked for Farage, Trump and so far for the Maybot. Not an ounce of substance between them.

This was meant to be "Corbyn's" new year re-brand. Positioning Labour towards the traditional vote.

He was meant to be giving a message that said "hey we aren't totally on board with the free market and freedom of movement" to try and swing back some of the working class vote they are losing.

What he said was "we're not wedded to the idea of the free market and freedom of movement....but nor do we rule it out".

I mean come on. The news over here all ran with Labour disaster stories. And interviews with the public saying "I have no idea what Labour stands for anymore" or "I'm confused".

Can't blame them. He created the perfect negative story for them. Only a Corbyn re-brand can turn out worse than the previous model!

There is a difference between ideological grandstanding of Trump and Corbyn. At least Trump spoke to people in a way that made them vote for him. It may have been a load of vague lies. But he "stood" for something. Corbyn can't even grandstand on a far left platform ala Galloway or something, which at the very least would appeal to some. He's just absolutely hopeless.

I agree that he (and team) are on the lower end of the competency scale, but the real error has been pointed out by Harry. There are currently 2 big stories that matter to folk if we put Brexit to one side. One of those is a national thing and one a South East thing. The media and most folk struggle to keep up with 2 major news stories, let alone 3. Right now he should be hammering Maybot over the NHS and Southern Rail/rail in general. Talking about fairness etc is playing to Maybot's agenda and distracting from the almighty fcuk ups that are rail and the NHS.

[Worthy4England]

We currently have a Prime Minister, who's main policy on the topic of contention that meant she got elected, was to say pretty much diddly.

I can hardly recall an interview of ANY substance, in relation to Brexit, other than she was a pretty silent supporter.

So having policies, it seems, is no longer a major requirement.

[Worthy4England]

I so want just a little bit of the Trump/Russia "dossier" to be true. Just the "golden showers" episode would be enough.

It just doesn't read credibly enough though.

[BWFC_Insane]

We currently have a Prime Minister, who's main policy on the topic of contention that meant she got elected, was to say pretty much diddly.

I can hardly recall an interview of ANY substance, in relation to Brexit, other than she was a pretty silent supporter.

So having policies, it seems, is no longer a major requirement.

She hasn't been elected. Not by the public at least. She will be I guess regardless whenever she decided to call an election. Or in 2020. Which is sad. And considering she's making a pretty good mess of things even sadder.

[Hoboh]

We currently have a Prime Minister, who's main policy on the topic of contention that meant she got elected, was to say pretty much diddly.

I can hardly recall an interview of ANY substance, in relation to Brexit, other than she was a pretty silent supporter.

So having policies, it seems, is no longer a major requirement.

She hasn't been elected. Not by the public at least. She will be I guess regardless whenever she decided to call an election. Or in 2020. Which is sad. And considering she's making a pretty good mess of things even sadder.

May is not a leader, poor administrator at best.

[Hoboh]

The latest defence of the fat controller makes me smile.

It is not his fault, it is the intellectual individuals in the back ground forcing him into decisions

NHS suffers bed blocking, social funding is being chopped, BMBC use emergency powers to fund ambulance chasers whilst having closed old peoples centres and homes that stopped 'bed blocking' and gave people employment, great way to spend council tax money.

[BWFC_Insane]

The latest defence of the fat controller makes me smile.

It is not his fault, it is the intellectual individuals in the back ground forcing him into decisions

NHS suffers bed blocking, social funding is being chopped, BMBC use emergency powers to fund ambulance chasers whilst having closed old peoples centres and homes that stopped 'bed blocking' and gave people employment, great way to spend council tax money.

Its a bit of a mix though. Poor, poor local decisions coupled with national pressures.

Most local government is badly run. For a lot of actually quite complex reasons. Sometimes because of individual ineptitude or sheer greed. But often because the model isn't very good.

It has to be noted that councils don't have the "complete level of autonomy" many people assume. Bit like the NHS. They constantly have to answer to government. And their budgets are not self determined.

They also have a great many pressures and targets that aren't always considered. They don't get to set them or decide priority.

[Montreal Wanderer]

We currently have a Prime Minister, who's main policy on the topic of contention that meant she got elected, was to say pretty much diddly.

I can hardly recall an interview of ANY substance, in relation to Brexit, other than she was a pretty silent supporter.

So having policies, it seems, is no longer a major requirement.

She hasn't been elected. Not by the public at least. She will be I guess regardless whenever she decided to call an election. Or in 2020. Which is sad. And considering she's making a pretty good mess of things even sadder.

I don't quite follow this. I presume she was elected as an MP by the public. Surely, however, the public don't elect a PM - the party does that from one of its members. The UK is not the US. At most you can say is she has not led her party into a general election. At least as I understand it.

[BWFC_Insane]

We currently have a Prime Minister, who's main policy on the topic of contention that meant she got elected, was to say pretty much diddly.

I can hardly recall an interview of ANY substance, in relation to Brexit, other than she was a pretty silent supporter.

So having policies, it seems, is no longer a major requirement.

She hasn't been elected. Not by the public at least. She will be I guess regardless whenever she decided to call an election. Or in 2020. Which is sad. And considering she's making a pretty good mess of things even sadder.

I don't quite follow this. I presume she was elected as an MP by the public. Surely, however, the public don't elect a PM - the party does that from one of its members. The UK is not the US. At most you can say is she has not led her party into a general election. At least as I understand it.

Well yes that. Though she wasn't elected on the basis W4E was talking about, when she was last even elected as an MP.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Her own party didn't elect her, she got the job by default. She even called Gordon Brown out for not calling a general election. She's a difering idiot that would make even bacon butty boy look more competent in the job. Not Jezza though, he's even more useless.

[Hoboh]

Steering committee members whose future in Momentum is in doubt include Jill Mountford, of the Trotskyist group Alliance for Workers’ Liberty, and the former Militant activist Nick Wrack, both of whom were expelled from the Labour party last year. Jackie Walker, an activist fighting suspension from Labour for alleged antisemitism, has also disagreed with the new structure.

Now then, I thought people were telling us the Trots and militant was dead and nothing to do with Corbyn's leadership supporters?

[Lord Kangana]

Point of order here, but it's an insult to our collective intelligence if you were to forgive Trump's message because you perceive him to 'have spoken to people'.

I'd settle for Corbyn's failings 3000000% of the time than ever condone the actions of hatred. Trump didn't speak to people, he incited morons to be more moronic. That's nothing to be either envious or admiring of.

[Worthy4England]

Point of order here, but it's an insult to our collective intelligence if you were to forgive Trump's message because you perceive him to 'have spoken to people'.

I'd settle for Corbyn's failings 3000000% of the time than ever condone the actions of hatred. Trump didn't speak to people, he incited morons to be more moronic. That's nothing to be either envious or admiring of.

Fcuk you, snowflake.

[Lord Kangana]

And part of a Liberal Westminster elite. Don't forget that.

I often remind myself of that after another brutal 15 hour day, just so I don't forget. It's very easy to do.

[BWFC_Insane]

Point of order here, but it's an insult to our collective intelligence if you were to forgive Trump's message because you perceive him to 'have spoken to people'.

I'd settle for Corbyn's failings 3000000% of the time than ever condone the actions of hatred. Trump didn't speak to people, he incited morons to be more moronic. That's nothing to be either envious or admiring of.

Weak, ineffective, stubborn and detached folk like Corbyn being leader of the opposition is the best way to let some mad wanker like Trump end up in power here.

The point is that as an absolute basic you have to be able to deliver a clear message. Corbyn cannot even manage that. And that is the very top of a huge iceberg of issues.

And please don't insult me by suggesting I would ever forgive Trump for anything.

[Hoboh]

Point of order here, but it's an insult to our collective intelligence if you were to forgive Trump's message because you perceive him to 'have spoken to people'.

I'd settle for Corbyn's failings 3000000% of the time than ever condone the actions of hatred. Trump didn't speak to people, he incited morons to be more moronic. That's nothing to be either envious or admiring of.

I wouldn't worry about Trump, people are already p*ssing all over him, once his taste in fruit and veg turns up he'll be like the cheap, imported lettuce served up in cafes and restaurants owned by the globalist remoaners, finished.

[Hoboh]

It's very apt that the term "Generation Snowflake" is being used for millennials. Seems like none can cope when normal winter weather appears.