The Politics Thread

[bedwetter2]

They'll have an extra £350m Per Week to play with, before any tax reforms. Can afford the lot with those two combined. Piece of piss, can't understand anyone questioning it at all.

Now, at last, you are being sensible.

Maybe you could help me understand why the negotiations that were going to be a piece of piss 10 months ago, require Gengis Khan at the helm today? Or maybe not...

A slight exaggeration, I would suggest. The current megaphone diplomacy is all window dressing, in my opinion, and is just the taking of "positions" before compromises start to appear.
As you know, the option of no trade deal was mentioned right at the outset by the Leave campaign. And before any snowflakes present say well that would be disastrous for the UK, would it bollocks. The government would net some 7 billion extra over the use of WTO import and export tariffs re the EU and together with our EU budgetary contributions being removed we would be some 20 billion to the good.
Even if a trade deal is signed, that means bugger all if people, organisations, companies do not trade.
Ghengis May is only countering Adolf Juncker, Hermann Barnier, and Donald Doernitz in the first exchanges. Proper negotiation has not started but already those "roll-over and have their tummy tickled" types in the Labour, LibDems, Greens, SNP, BBC etc are saying that we should pay whatever the EU demand and be grateful for it. Disgraceful stuff from Chuka Ullulation, Farron, McDonald, Corbyn, etc. Comments to be expected from the fishy pair. Wouldn't it be great to have some of those in government giving up without a shot being fired?
Anyway, back to your point. If you really think that the EU will be able to maintain a united stance, then great. It won't. The Euro will tank and there may well be no one left to negotiate with by the summer of 2019.
So the most effective tactic may well be to set out our negotiating position and then tell the EU negotiating team that their position (such as is known) is unacceptable, walk out telling them that they have 6 months to come back with a sensible offer or we walk permanently.
Not exactly a "piece of piss" but not rocket science either. We must not get bogged down in the detail so they can drag it out. Instead we should be insisting upon overarching principles for each of the pieces of a deal. We agree to maintain their manufacturing and services standards in their directives and legislation for any of our exports to the EU and they accept that our legal system is supreme in all matters pertinent to the UK within an ongoing agreement, etc, etc. No more ECJ or ECHR and their creeping increasing influence on matters which are not in their constitution.

p.s. I have long puzzled what the idiots in the Labour and LibDem parties who quote "progressive" mean by that. Do they mean they are the equivalent to '70s prog rockers who went on aimlessly and interminently, e.g. Nice, Yes, etc. If so, good analogy because many of their policies are regressive so it can't be policies. So what is it?

Ok - so to summarise, Theresa May was talking shit then, and David Davies was right when he used the word straightforward to describe the negotiations 10 months ago and the land of milk and honey is still just around the corner? (I'm good with this, because I wouldn't want someone too scared to do a TV debate with Surrender Corbyn at the helm if they're going to get tough). I suspect as the campaign develops, they'll continue to hide her away apart from the odd daily set pieces involving chips to show she has the common touch.

Where I heard the "no trade" deal discussed by leave it always had "..but that's not going to happen..because of [mainly] the German car manufacturers" appended to the end of the sentence.

As for your big numbers - un-fecking-believable, Jeff - the last big number we saw from the Brexit camp didn't last 24 hours post the election.

You may be right about keeping May out of the limelight. We shall see. The negotiations should be straightforward. Will they be? Possibly not, but that is down to us, not them, the ensure it is not dragged out.

What big numbers? At most the numbers I quoted related to trade were only 25% of that demanded by the EU to "settle" our accounts as in one off payment - not a punishment beating at all, no no. And even if it is, at least we have the kind offer of an easy payment option. Of course you will find that interest will be added to their figure and they will apparently expect us to continue paying fees until 2023.

So, you are a supporter of continued EU membership. You will no doubt be able to set out all the benefits which the UK enjoys from EU membership. I haven't heard much from anyone on this subject apart from open borders and I don't think there is much of a benefit there. Perhaps it's a secret that the plebs are not allowed to know.

[bedwetter2]

A slight exaggeration, I would suggest. The current megaphone diplomacy is all window dressing, in my opinion, and is just the taking of "positions" before compromises start to appear.
As you know, the option of no trade deal was mentioned right at the outset by the Leave campaign. And before any snowflakes present say well that would be disastrous for the UK, would it bollocks. The government would net some 7 billion extra over the use of WTO import and export tariffs re the EU and together with our EU budgetary contributions being removed we would be some 20 billion to the good.
Even if a trade deal is signed, that means bugger all if people, organisations, companies do not trade.
Ghengis May is only countering Adolf Juncker, Hermann Barnier, and Donald Doernitz in the first exchanges. Proper negotiation has not started but already those "roll-over and have their tummy tickled" types in the Labour, LibDems, Greens, SNP, BBC etc are saying that we should pay whatever the EU demand and be grateful for it. Disgraceful stuff from Chuka Ullulation, Farron, McDonald, Corbyn, etc. Comments to be expected from the fishy pair. Wouldn't it be great to have some of those in government giving up without a shot being fired?
Anyway, back to your point. If you really think that the EU will be able to maintain a united stance, then great. It won't. The Euro will tank and there may well be no one left to negotiate with by the summer of 2019.
So the most effective tactic may well be to set out our negotiating position and then tell the EU negotiating team that their position (such as is known) is unacceptable, walk out telling them that they have 6 months to come back with a sensible offer or we walk permanently.
Not exactly a "piece of piss" but not rocket science either. We must not get bogged down in the detail so they can drag it out. Instead we should be insisting upon overarching principles for each of the pieces of a deal. We agree to maintain their manufacturing and services standards in their directives and legislation for any of our exports to the EU and they accept that our legal system is supreme in all matters pertinent to the UK within an ongoing agreement, etc, etc. No more ECJ or ECHR and their creeping increasing influence on matters which are not in their constitution.

p.s. I have long puzzled what the idiots in the Labour and LibDem parties who quote "progressive" mean by that. Do they mean they are the equivalent to '70s prog rockers who went on aimlessly and interminently, e.g. Nice, Yes, etc. If so, good analogy because many of their policies are regressive so it can't be policies. So what is it?

I think progressive might be reference to improvement. It also distinguishes from those who cannot get past the fact we're not in the 1950's anymore.

As for the rest of your post it is somewhat laughable. Even fellow leavers, have debunked the idea that no deal will work.

http://leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=128

I have seen the socialists "improve" the economy several times during my lifetime. Whoopee do. We look forward to the next visit from the IMF then, eh? The 1950's? There was an operational Treason Act then but as to the rest of your sentence it makes no sense.

So, it appears that I am in a minority of 1 and I have all the wrong idea about where this leave without a deal could lead to. Bollocks.

[Lord Kangana]

Opinion is somewhat divided on the matter. You think you're right, we all think you're wrong.

And as for the socialists wrecking the economy. Hard proof please, in figures. Not a headline.

[Worthy4England]

You may be right about keeping May out of the limelight. We shall see. The negotiations should be straightforward. Will they be? Possibly not, but that is down to us, not them, the ensure it is not dragged out.

What big numbers? At most the numbers I quoted related to trade were only 25% of that demanded by the EU to "settle" our accounts as in one off payment - not a punishment beating at all, no no. And even if it is, at least we have the kind offer of an easy payment option. Of course you will find that interest will be added to their figure and they will apparently expect us to continue paying fees until 2023.

So, you are a supporter of continued EU membership. You will no doubt be able to set out all the benefits which the UK enjoys from EU membership. I haven't heard much from anyone on this subject apart from open borders and I don't think there is much of a benefit there. Perhaps it's a secret that the plebs are not allowed to know.

You're far too binary about these things. It's not binary for me. As I've said previously, all I needed was to see the plan for exit - which I still haven't seen in any great detail. The vote on EU membership has happened, we're leaving, I'm fine with that. I've already done what I needed to do (as best I can without knowing the plan) to change how I work etc. and who I work for. It is right that we hold people to account for promises they made about what exit would look like. Especially those that made the promises and remain in Government after the election.

As for Labour v Conservative - neither has had my vote for 20 years. They're all shithead, self serving wasters. Conservative are probably better for me as an individual, but they're not getting my vote, they're full of lying wankers. Labour probably does a better job of public services but at a cost that Diane Abbott couldn't begin to explain, they're lying wankers too. The thought that one side is "good" and the other "bad" is incorrect in my view - they're both pretty pi$$ poor. I haven't voted for anyone else either - although I do post my spoilt ballot paper just so it gets "counted". The fact some folks continue to prop up a clearly corrupt and useless two party system is just laughable. Tallest dwarf competition.

Today, I will vote in the Local Elections. On one single issue across both ballots. Greenbelt protection. Anstee is a clueless fcukwit in relation to Greater Manchester Spatial Framework. Burnham has picked his words like the weasel he is. Brophy thinks ripping up the plan will work (it won't) so that doesn't leave much to go at. But hey at least we get to vote for a mayor that we democratically said we didn't want just 4 years ago. That's democracy from Labour and the Tories for you.

[BWFC_Insane]

Opinion is somewhat divided on the matter. You think you're right, we all think you're wrong.

And as for the socialists wrecking the economy. Hard proof please, in figures. Not a headline.

We've had, economically at least, right wing governments since 1979. Without exception. Every single government has supported financial de-regulation and free market self management.

Our economy is a result of centre-right economic policy.

[Lord Kangana]

I think it was a response to the deep-seated (and, unfortunately, wrong) assumption that the Tories have managed over the years to be more financially astute than Labour. There's no real evidence to support that. But which of The Sun, The Times, The Telegraph, The Daily Mail or The Daily Express would you expect to carry that as their leader? Ever?

[Hoboh]

Yeah, f*ck progress.

qv experts, Fed up of.

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

You might have 'grown up' on that, I didn't.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Yeah, f*ck progress.

qv experts, Fed up of.

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

You might have 'grown up' on that, I didn't.

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the stuff gets more modern...

[Hoboh]

Yeah, f*ck progress.

qv experts, Fed up of.

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

I suspect that other things that have "come of age" during Hoboh's lifetime could also be included. Wide availability of cars. Cheap air travel, TV, messageboards (such as this one) on the Interweb - guess he's ok with those ones...

They are 'progress', the whole point of the rant is there is no such thing as 'progressive' politics, good or bad, just different opinions.

[Hoboh]

Yeah, f*ck progress.

qv experts, Fed up of.

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

You might have 'grown up' on that, I didn't.

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the

stuff gets more modern

...

Modern does not equate to progressive though does it?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

You might have 'grown up' on that, I didn't.

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the

stuff gets more modern

...

Modern does not equate to progressive though does it?

Depends on exactly how you define the word. Things progress, not always for the betterment of man, the planet or anything else, but generally things get more innovative, cheaper to produce, more convenient and so on. It's progress even if it isn't to your or others taste.

[bedwetter2]

You may be right about keeping May out of the limelight. We shall see. The negotiations should be straightforward. Will they be? Possibly not, but that is down to us, not them, the ensure it is not dragged out.

What big numbers? At most the numbers I quoted related to trade were only 25% of that demanded by the EU to "settle" our accounts as in one off payment - not a punishment beating at all, no no. And even if it is, at least we have the kind offer of an easy payment option. Of course you will find that interest will be added to their figure and they will apparently expect us to continue paying fees until 2023.

So, you are a supporter of continued EU membership. You will no doubt be able to set out all the benefits which the UK enjoys from EU membership. I haven't heard much from anyone on this subject apart from open borders and I don't think there is much of a benefit there. Perhaps it's a secret that the plebs are not allowed to know.

You're far too binary about these things. It's not binary for me. As I've said previously, all I needed was to see the plan for exit - which I still haven't seen in any great detail. The vote on EU membership has happened, we're leaving, I'm fine with that. I've already done what I needed to do (as best I can without knowing the plan) to change how I work etc. and who I work for. It is right that we hold people to account for promises they made about what exit would look like. Especially those that made the promises and remain in Government after the election.

As for Labour v Conservative - neither has had my vote for 20 years. They're all shithead, self serving wasters. Conservative are probably better for me as an individual, but they're not getting my vote, they're full of lying wankers. Labour probably does a better job of public services but at a cost that Diane Abbott couldn't begin to explain, they're lying wankers too. The thought that one side is "good" and the other "bad" is incorrect in my view - they're both pretty pi$$ poor. I haven't voted for anyone else either - although I do post my spoilt ballot paper just so it gets "counted". The fact some folks continue to prop up a clearly corrupt and useless two party system is just laughable. Tallest dwarf competition.

Today, I will vote in the Local Elections. On one single issue across both ballots. Greenbelt protection. Anstee is a clueless fcukwit in relation to Greater Manchester Spatial Framework. Burnham has picked his words like the weasel he is. Brophy thinks ripping up the plan will work (it won't) so that doesn't leave much to go at. But hey at least we get to vote for a mayor that we democratically said we didn't want just 4 years ago. That's democracy from Labour and the Tories for you.

You should note that I have not said that I support the Conservatives, but for this coming general election it is the only sensible option;for me at least. Not really binary in that sense.
Of course there are shades of grey and sometimes in elections it is impossible to vote for any of the candidates because they do not or will not address the important issues. Greenbelt is very important and directly affects many residents in a variety of areas. It is also a big topic where I live 90 miles away from Bolton. The local authority is hell bent on approving housing developments on greenbelt land for over 3000 dwellings. The real reason? Additional council tax receipts to boost their income.

[Worthy4England]

Yeah, f*ck progress.

qv experts, Fed up of.

Look there is progress and progress.
Anyone who thinks stuff such as Faceachebook and other equally garbage stuff, at home with the fat arses or whatever is progress are seriously deluded, kids with no time to be kids, uncool not to have the latest apple phone, pad etc. Spike trainers, a watch that pretends to be a health monitor, processed food, genetically modified food, loads of weight/diet faddy crap, a rapidly sliding into a bigger than the original communist state because it suits some rich and multinationals because it's good for us? Bullshit.

You do realise that we all grew up with that shit, just shitter versions of it. I mean, what the feck do you think Findus crispy pancakes, angel delight, smash and pot noodles are? Casio watches with calculators, Pac Man, Nike trainers and faddy diets like Weight watchers. It's no different apart from people having a bigger platform to whinge about other people over inconsequential nonsense.

I suspect that other things that have "come of age" during Hoboh's lifetime could also be included. Wide availability of cars. Cheap air travel, TV, messageboards (such as this one) on the Interweb - guess he's ok with those ones...

They are 'progress', the whole point of the rant is there is no such thing as 'progressive' politics, good or bad, just different opinions.

Ok - let's look at the "watch that pretends to be a health monitor" - there are now insurance products that get cheaper based on the amount of "steps" you do in a week, they're looking at monitoring how you drive for cheaper insurance products (you can of course look at that the other way round and say some insurance products will be more expensive )

We're around the same age. I had games consoles, a computer, CB radio etc. etc. It's fck all different in that sense.

The thing that is different and substantively so - is networked computing - that's where big brother resides - but if you don't like it you can hit the off-button - currently.

[bedwetter2]

Opinion is somewhat divided on the matter. You think you're right, we all think you're wrong.

And as for the socialists wrecking the economy. Hard proof please, in figures. Not a headline.

We've had, economically at least, right wing governments since 1979. Without exception. Every single government has supported financial de-regulation and free market self management.

Our economy is a result of centre-right economic policy.

1966 - 1970. Yer darlin' Arald and the first visit of the IMF. fcuked.
1974 - 1979. Sunny Jim Callaghan and the second visit of the IMF. Dennis Healey going cap in hand. Winter of Discontent. Economy fcuked again.
1997 - 2010. Blair/Brown double act. Brown throwing borrowed money around like a man with no arms. PFI contracts still today leaving a huge legacy of debt. Liam Byrne's leaving note - 'there is no money left'. And he meant it. Economy totally fcuked.

If you are too young to remember all this, read it up. I'm sure it will make fascinating reading.

[Worthy4England]

You may be right about keeping May out of the limelight. We shall see. The negotiations should be straightforward. Will they be? Possibly not, but that is down to us, not them, the ensure it is not dragged out.

What big numbers? At most the numbers I quoted related to trade were only 25% of that demanded by the EU to "settle" our accounts as in one off payment - not a punishment beating at all, no no. And even if it is, at least we have the kind offer of an easy payment option. Of course you will find that interest will be added to their figure and they will apparently expect us to continue paying fees until 2023.

So, you are a supporter of continued EU membership. You will no doubt be able to set out all the benefits which the UK enjoys from EU membership. I haven't heard much from anyone on this subject apart from open borders and I don't think there is much of a benefit there. Perhaps it's a secret that the plebs are not allowed to know.

You're far too binary about these things. It's not binary for me. As I've said previously, all I needed was to see the plan for exit - which I still haven't seen in any great detail. The vote on EU membership has happened, we're leaving, I'm fine with that. I've already done what I needed to do (as best I can without knowing the plan) to change how I work etc. and who I work for. It is right that we hold people to account for promises they made about what exit would look like. Especially those that made the promises and remain in Government after the election.

As for Labour v Conservative - neither has had my vote for 20 years. They're all shithead, self serving wasters. Conservative are probably better for me as an individual, but they're not getting my vote, they're full of lying wankers. Labour probably does a better job of public services but at a cost that Diane Abbott couldn't begin to explain, they're lying wankers too. The thought that one side is "good" and the other "bad" is incorrect in my view - they're both pretty pi$$ poor. I haven't voted for anyone else either - although I do post my spoilt ballot paper just so it gets "counted". The fact some folks continue to prop up a clearly corrupt and useless two party system is just laughable. Tallest dwarf competition.

Today, I will vote in the Local Elections. On one single issue across both ballots. Greenbelt protection. Anstee is a clueless fcukwit in relation to Greater Manchester Spatial Framework. Burnham has picked his words like the weasel he is. Brophy thinks ripping up the plan will work (it won't) so that doesn't leave much to go at. But hey at least we get to vote for a mayor that we democratically said we didn't want just 4 years ago. That's democracy from Labour and the Tories for you.

You should note that I have not said that I support the Conservatives, but for this coming general election it is the only sensible option;for me at least. Not really binary in that sense.
Of course there are shades of grey and sometimes in elections it is impossible to vote for any of the candidates because they do not or will not address the important issues. Greenbelt is very important and directly affects many residents in a variety of areas. It is also a big topic where I live 90 miles away from Bolton. The local authority is hell bent on approving housing developments on greenbelt land for over 3000 dwellings. The real reason? Additional council tax receipts to boost their income.

You don't need to say you support the Conservatives. Your words speak for themselves. You clearly aren't voting Labour any time soon.

In the People's Republic of Greater Manchester, they're gearing up for 67,000 homes on the Greenbelt over 20 years. In addition to the 172,000 homes they want to build on brownfield. The GMSF plan's biggest supporter is probably Sean Anstee - the tory pick for Mayor - he's the only one that's not promised at least a "re-draft". I have major doubts as to whether the other main contender - Andy Burnham - will do anything other than a superficial re-draft - he's picked his words very, very carefully "no net loss to the greenbelt" was I think, his phrase - so they'll swipe the prime sites and replace with lower quality "green space" - weasel arsed nice person.

There are (aren't there always) two elements to it - yes councils are trying to boost receipts - not only on council tax, but government kick-back funds too for accelerated housing development schemes. The problem is the Developers appeal even when Council has said no, goes up to Sajid Javed's Department and they approve in many, many cases. It's another Tory/Labour political fcuk up.

[BWFC_Insane]

Opinion is somewhat divided on the matter. You think you're right, we all think you're wrong.

And as for the socialists wrecking the economy. Hard proof please, in figures. Not a headline.

We've had, economically at least, right wing governments since 1979. Without exception. Every single government has supported financial de-regulation and free market self management.

Our economy is a result of centre-right economic policy.

1966 - 1970. Yer darlin' Arald and the first visit of the IMF. fcuked.
1974 - 1979. Sunny Jim Callaghan and the second visit of the IMF. Dennis Healey going cap in hand. Winter of Discontent. Economy fcuked again.
1997 - 2010. Blair/Brown double act. Brown throwing borrowed money around like a man with no arms. PFI contracts still today leaving a huge legacy of debt. Liam Byrne's leaving note - 'there is no money left'. And he meant it. Economy totally fcuked.

If you are too young to remember all this, read it up. I'm sure it will make fascinating reading.

Blair/Brown - pursued right of centre, Conservative economic policy. So much so that the Tories had to (at the time) take an even more aggressive stance on financial de-regulation and private-public sector partnerships to stand apart from that government.

It is a gross oversimiplification, one perpetuated by the national media. It should be noted that since 2010 our debt to GDP ratio has continually risen to 2016.

The rapid increase in borrowing in 2008 was as a result of a global banking crisis. One caused by Conservative financial de-regulation policy.

[Worthy4England]

Hobes is gonna love the "frork"...Go look it up Hobes...you know you want one...

And maybe a fidget spinner...

[Montreal Wanderer]

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the stuff gets more modern...

I'm not sure Tango, Dujon and I grew up with too many gadgets, and means of communication were limited to the Royal Mail or loud voices. Shit food I grant you but after the war there wasn't much else - black puddings were mostly bloody sawdust and UCP tripe inedible (I still shudder). I had a ration book for one candy a week. I didn't see a TV until I was 10 (the year Blackpool beat us in the Cup). So we contented ourselves with conkers, marbles and a variety of team games. On rainy days there was reading and board/card games.

[Worthy4England]

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the stuff gets more modern...

I'm not sure Tango, Dujon and I grew up with too many gadgets, and means of communication were limited to the Royal Mail or loud voices. Shit food I grant you but after the war there wasn't much else - black puddings were mostly bloody sawdust and UCP tripe inedible (I still shudder). I had a ration book for one candy a week. I didn't see a TV until I was 10 (the year Blackpool beat us in the Cup). So we contented ourselves with conkers, marbles and a variety of team games. On rainy days there was reading and board/card games.

So all things considered then, Hobes is an out and out entitled snowflake by comparison, then.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the stuff gets more modern...

I'm not sure Tango, Dujon and I grew up with too many gadgets, and means of communication were limited to the Royal Mail or loud voices. Shit food I grant you but after the war there wasn't much else - black puddings were mostly bloody sawdust and UCP tripe inedible (I still shudder). I had a ration book for one candy a week. I didn't see a TV until I was 10 (the year Blackpool beat us in the Cup). So we contented ourselves with conkers, marbles and a variety of team games. On rainy days there was reading and board/card games.

You had a wireless didn't you? That was a gadget back then my point being, each generation had a little more technology and convenience than the previous. Admittedly the innovation and speed is somewhat greater these days