The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

You're correct in saying that I will not be voting for Labour any time soon but that is the quandry many people find themselves in. Labour have made themselves unelectable and as for the LibDems, don't get me started on those hypocritical knobs.

I don't get the "You will note that I have not said I support Conservatives, but for this general election..." bit. I'd be surprised if other than a one-off (maybe) you'd ever voted any other way for donkeys years. Which is fine - wouldn't hold it against you - your entitlement.

Looking at the current incoming Local Election results, it's going to be a long couple of months for Labour and UKIP...Maybe the Labour left will then wake up and realise Blair didn't get elected because everyone embraced "come the great day, Brother" socialism, Blair got elected because he moved the entire party to the right to the extent that more marginal Tories, pissed off with their own party could (quietly and on a still transfer back basis ) cast their vote a different way.

Well, be surprised then. I have voted Liberal and Liberal Democrat in the past when they did appear to support democracy. Once, to my shame, voted Labour during the first hyped-up Blair election. I will admit to voting for the Conservatives in 2010 and 2015 as an antidote to the Labour years. You see, any thinking person, in my opinion, should always exercise their right to vote even if the choices are fairly unedifying. Also, a thinking person will not always vote in a hidebound way - "my dad always voted for such and such so I do" rosette on a pig fashion. But that much is obvious.

Any idea what the percentage turnouts for the local elections? It's usually ridiculously low.
I don't see the Labour left having a sudden revelation. They don't really seem to want power. Only control over the Labour party.

That's donkeys years ago then

Not seen any turnout's yet, but then we were only voting for His Warship, the Mayor. I registered my protest for the Green Party candidate, just so I could tease Hobes. And because he does a cracking job of being Andy from Little Britain.

28.9% - across whole of GM.

[Bruce Rioja]

Has that bandwagon-hopping gobshite from Leigh been voted in yet?

[Worthy4England]

Has that bandwagon-hopping gobshite from Leigh been voted in yet?

I'd be fairly surprised if he wasn't...Think they're due to announce about tea time.

[BWFC_Insane]

Talk is Burnham might win it on first round votes (need over half) without even looking at second preferences.

Which would be pretty much Labour's only half decent piece of good news today.

Funny that. Were Burnham leader of the party Labour WOULD be in a considerably better position electorally. In fact we'd not be having a GE at all!

[BWFC_Insane]

And, anyone who is under the misapprehension that Labour aren't facing their worst electoral result in 50 years (or more) in a few weeks time.....

The Tees valley mayoral election....on first preference votes...puts the Tory candidate slightly ahead. Tees valley. Tees valley.

[Bruce Rioja]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

[Worthy4England]

The whole of this fcukwittery is (as I think Bijou Bob suggested some considerable while ago) just going to end up in a right fcking mess. I have little doubt that central government is driving "efficiencies" or a "shitload of cuts" depending on where you stand. And the hapless fcukwits, in our case in GMCA, who you wouldn't let run a corner shop are lapping it up and saying "please Sir can I have another" whilst dreaming of becoming Manchester's answer to Arnold Schwarzenegger. It makes my piss boil. And they're both culpable and just happy they can point their accusations at the other side.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

Not really Cliff's fault that one. Happening across GM. Cost of waste disposal is going sky high. So councils have to reduce it somehow. There isn't really an easy answer. Lots of people still don't recycle all they could. Fact is we're running out of places to dump rubbish, and a solution needs to be found somewhere.

Perhaps triple council tax or even multiply it five fold for those who don't recycle all they could?

[Worthy4England]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

Not really Cliff's fault that one. Happening across GM. Cost of waste disposal is going sky high. So councils have to reduce it somehow. There isn't really an easy answer. Lots of people still don't recycle all they could. Fact is we're running out of places to dump rubbish, and a solution needs to be found somewhere.

Perhaps triple council tax or even multiply it five fold for those who don't recycle all they could?

I'm happy to put the right shit in the right bins.

When I have to go to the fcking tip weekly and pay £50 a week to the Council, I expect them to save me the trip.

What I put in the bins is generally an output from somewhere else, because 90% of it is packaging of some description. They're the fckers that need penalising, not me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

Not really Cliff's fault that one. Happening across GM. Cost of waste disposal is going sky high. So councils have to reduce it somehow. There isn't really an easy answer. Lots of people still don't recycle all they could. Fact is we're running out of places to dump rubbish, and a solution needs to be found somewhere.

Perhaps triple council tax or even multiply it five fold for those who don't recycle all they could?

I'm happy to put the right shit in the right bins.

When I have to go to the fcking tip weekly and pay £50 a week to the Council, I expect them to save me the trip.

What I put in the bins is generally an output from somewhere else, because 90% of it is packaging of some description. They're the fckers that need penalising, not me.

Same. But many don't. Fact is we should be punishing companies and businesses for us of packaging material. But we also need joe blogs public to do more.

As ever the problem was ignored until we ran out of space and things got critical. Now there is no answer.

[Bruce Rioja]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

Not really Cliff's fault that one. Happening across GM. Cost of waste disposal is going sky high. So councils have to reduce it somehow. There isn't really an easy answer. Lots of people still don't recycle all they could. Fact is we're running out of places to dump rubbish, and a solution needs to be found somewhere.

Perhaps triple council tax or even multiply it five fold for those who don't recycle all they could?

Waste to Energy is your answer

[BWFC_Insane]

Sally Cogley has taken the seat in Irvine Valley along with Labour's George Mair and the SNP's Elena Whitham.
The Rubbish Party was set up on a platform to tidy up the local area, clamping down on litter, dog fouling, fly tipping and pollution.
Ms Cogley has been organising clean-up events in the local area.

This woman should be voted in for Bradshaw. Ever since that egregious prick Clifford Morris aka The Fat Controller decided that we only need half sized bins which only need emptying once a fortnight, fly tipping up our way's gone through the bloody roof.

Not really Cliff's fault that one. Happening across GM. Cost of waste disposal is going sky high. So councils have to reduce it somehow. There isn't really an easy answer. Lots of people still don't recycle all they could. Fact is we're running out of places to dump rubbish, and a solution needs to be found somewhere.

Perhaps triple council tax or even multiply it five fold for those who don't recycle all they could?

Waste to Energy is your answer

Possibly. Though that is hugely expensive and of course potentially polluting in other ways.

[Lord Kangana]

I have no issue with the slim bin. Never more than just full, as we properly recycle.

Perhaps if people want bigger bins, they should pay for them themselves?

[Bruce Rioja]

Possibly. Though that is hugely expensive and of course potentially polluting in other ways.

Noxious particles emitted from incinerator stacks are limited to a maximum of 3mg per NM3. A teaspoon of sugar contains around 15,000Mg. So, in every cubic metre of air that passes out of the stack there is 1x 5,000th of said equivalent teaspoon of sugar which is bad for the environment. The steam/air is cleaner than the air you breathe whilst walking down the street. If you want me to tell you how the various filtration systems work therein then you're going to have to pull up a chair

[BWFC_Insane]

Possibly. Though that is hugely expensive and of course potentially polluting in other ways.

Noxious particles emitted from incinerator stacks are limited to a maximum of 3mg per NM3. A teaspoon of sugar contains around 15,000Mg. So, in every cubic metre of air that passes out of the stack there is 1x 5,000th of said equivalent teaspoon of sugar which is bad for the environment. The steam/air is cleaner than the air you breathe whilst walking down the street. If you want me to tell you how the various filtration systems work therein then you're going to have to pull up a chair

How much CO2 do they emit?

[Bruce Rioja]

Possibly. Though that is hugely expensive and of course potentially polluting in other ways.

Noxious particles emitted from incinerator stacks are limited to a maximum of 3mg per NM3. A teaspoon of sugar contains around 15,000Mg. So, in every cubic metre of air that passes out of the stack there is 1x 5,000th of said equivalent teaspoon of sugar which is bad for the environment. The steam/air is cleaner than the air you breathe whilst walking down the street. If you want me to tell you how the various filtration systems work therein then you're going to have to pull up a chair

How much CO2 do they emit?

There is some, but generally speaking W2E is the most carbon neutral means of power generation.

[Montreal Wanderer]

But you will have grown up on the previous equivalent of it. Point remains that each generation has it's fads, shit food, gadgets and so on. The only thing that changes is the stuff gets more modern...

I'm not sure Tango, Dujon and I grew up with too many gadgets, and means of communication were limited to the Royal Mail or loud voices. Shit food I grant you but after the war there wasn't much else - black puddings were mostly bloody sawdust and UCP tripe inedible (I still shudder). I had a ration book for one candy a week. I didn't see a TV until I was 10 (the year Blackpool beat us in the Cup). So we contented ourselves with conkers, marbles and a variety of team games. On rainy days there was reading and board/card games.

You had a wireless didn't you? That was a gadget back then my point being, each generation had a little more technology and convenience than the previous. Admittedly the innovation and speed is somewhat greater these days

We had wireless but so did my parents as children. I also had a crystal set which didn't work very well. We may have had more programmes than my parents - we had Home, Light and Third. No commercial radio, although on a good night we could get Radio Luxembourg on 208 metres to listen to Dan Dare. Still I take your point and we did start replacing the 78s with 45s in my youth.

[BWFC_Insane]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

[bedwetter2]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

Burnham is a lapdog. He would never tell Corbyn or anyone else for that matter to fcuk off.

[BWFC_Insane]

Announcing results of GM mayoral election now. Seems like Burnham has absolutely monstered it.

More than double the votes of the Tory candidate in Bolton alone.

Labour would be in so much better shape if led by Burnham. This has now been shown. Shame on those who supported Corbyn. Shame on them.

Corbyn is apparently going to Manchester to "celebrate" with Burnham. Burnham should tell him to fck off.

Burnham is a lapdog. He would never tell Corbyn or anyone else for that matter to fcuk off.

Nonsense. He's just run a campaign subtly distancing himself from Corbyn. Consequently he won by a huge margin. In every single area of GM too.