The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Hee, hee, hee, I see the battalions of remainers and regretful Brrexiters failed to emerge in just the same way as they won't in a few weeks time.
Why?
Because apart from the squealing bend over for Juncker few, they don't exist, except in the wet dreams of Blair, Farron and Miller!

On another note, the Labour party should be thoroughly ashamed about letting militant in a new guise take over the party, your Burnham's and such cannot be expected to run a country when they let their party crash into the buffers.

Not that I think they'll emerge at the general election either, but who do you think was expecting remainers and regretful Brexiteers to turn out and do what approximately in council elections?
The Guardian and its commentators for one, local elections or not they were supposedly to be flying the flag for remain and vote for those of the great Europhile dream, galvanise the opposition, so to speak, in preparation for the GE.

Hehe, hee, hee, the anti-Facebook party, hardly registered a vote, fcking losers.
LOL Thorns time will come.

[BWFC_Insane]

Hee, hee, hee, I see the battalions of remainers and regretful Brrexiters failed to emerge in just the same way as they won't in a few weeks time.
Why?
Because apart from the squealing bend over for Juncker few, they don't exist, except in the wet dreams of Blair, Farron and Miller!

On another note, the Labour party should be thoroughly ashamed about letting militant in a new guise take over the party, your Burnham's and such cannot be expected to run a country when they let their party crash into the buffers.

Not that I think they'll emerge at the general election either, but who do you think was expecting remainers and regretful Brexiteers to turn out and do what approximately in council elections?
The Guardian and its commentators for one, local elections or not they were supposedly to be flying the flag for remain and vote for those of the great Europhile dream, galvanise the opposition, so to speak, in preparation for the GE.

Hehe, hee, hee, the anti-Facebook party, hardly registered a vote, fcking losers.
LOL Thorns time will come.

So the greens or Lib Dems? Has anyone really suggested a huge vote for either party because of Brexit? I'm sure the Lib Dems as the only major party opposing Brexit may pick up some remain voters, but I don't think anyone has suggested a massive movement in that direction. The main reason people think the Lib Dems might gain a few seats is because of an anticipated and likely collapse in the Labour vote.

[TANGODANCER]

Ah the envy of youth...

Aye, after almost 800 pages of this thread playing heads and tails, , oh, and 800 years of Parliament doing the same, it will be interesting to see just what they're going to do. Can't wait.....

[Lord Kangana]

So, just to recap, so I can try to get a handle on Hoboh's thinking, in a round of voting that sees the virtual destruction of the main protagonists of anti-EU beligerence, that'd be UKIP in case you're wondering folks, we're to extrapolate from those results that it's a ringing endorsement for leaving the EU?

It's a an interesting angle, one I hadn't really considered until now, but does this clever ruse mean they may be forming Her Majesty's Government in a month's time, as their carefully crafted plan unfolds?

[Prufrock]

Tbf there's an argument that UKIP are going to win the election, they've just been annexed by TesMes in the meantime.

[Lord Kangana]

I think anyone with enough sense to look could see that the Tories have finally won the battle with the lunatic fringe in their party by caving in to all their demands.

Cleverly, they just never referred to themselves as Militant.

[Hoboh]

I think anyone with enough sense to look could see that the Tories have finally won the battle with the lunatic fringe in their party by caving in to all their demands.

Cleverly, they just never referred to themselves as Militant.

I honestly think and I'm not trying to stir things up here, a lot of people in the UK have been totally blind as to which way public opinion has been drifting, Brexit is the result.

[Lord Kangana]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

[Hoboh]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

I suppose little matters such as the 'sharing' of personal details on such a trivial matter of car ownership will not lead onto further regulation demanding more co-operation with the EU.
Next medical records, financial records and then........
Still it's all for the greater good eh!

[Lord Kangana]

Well quite, only we won't have a right to any say on what we're affected by. Which is madness.

[Worthy4England]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

I suppose little matters such as the 'sharing' of personal details on such a trivial matter of car ownership will not lead onto further regulation demanding more co-operation with the EU.
Next medical records, financial records and then........
Still it's all for the greater good eh!

There are already global deals on financial data to try and stop tax avoidance being in or out of the EU probably wouldn't alter that. Medical records, I'd be delighted if my local GP could access the ones from my local hospital (which they often can't). Car ownership, I'm struggling to see the issue with. Think you can look up Registered Keeper online?

[BWFC_Insane]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

I suppose little matters such as the 'sharing' of personal details on such a trivial matter of car ownership will not lead onto further regulation demanding more co-operation with the EU.
Next medical records, financial records and then........
Still it's all for the greater good eh!

I find it interesting how the right constantly will bring up civil liberties as an argument against the EU. Yet those same people will vote for a Theresa May led government. DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Have you heard of CRS Hoboh? It's how much of the future will look as governments around the world look to control it's citizens more and more. EU or not it is coming...

[Worthy4England]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

I suppose little matters such as the 'sharing' of personal details on such a trivial matter of car ownership will not lead onto further regulation demanding more co-operation with the EU.
Next medical records, financial records and then........
Still it's all for the greater good eh!

I find it interesting how the right constantly will bring up civil liberties as an argument against the EU. Yet those same people will vote for a Theresa May led government. DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

But as you yourself have said - Corbyn is unelectable (which I agree with) I actually think Milliband was unelectable too as it happens - so what's left?

The UKIP protest vote appears to be on the wane - not that I'd have voted for them anyhow.
LibDems pretty much got wiped last time

And the rest are non-entities. So it's still Tory v a very poor Labour.

So I either have to vote for tallest dwarf #1 - May - who's policies I mainly don't agree with or
tallest dwarf #2 - Corbyn - who's policies I think are undeliverable (albeit I'm struggling to think of the last policy commitment the Tories actually delivered on)

My ballot paper is more likely to contain "Charlie the Cartoon Cat" again, because I think he'd do a better job. It's way past time there was a "none of the above" option on the ballot paper.

[Lord Kangana]

Have you heard of CRS Hoboh? It's how much of the future will look as governments around the world look to control it's citizens more and more. EU or not it is coming...

Yeah, harmonisation of tax will probably follow. Whilst many trumpet the virtues of 'competitive taxation', most governments are now coming to the realisation, just like with criminals, they're better off cooperating in the long run.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Have you heard of CRS Hoboh? It's how much of the future will look as governments around the world look to control it's citizens more and more. EU or not it is coming...

Yeah, harmonisation of tax will probably follow. Whilst many trumpet the virtues of 'competitive taxation', most governments are now coming to the realisation, just like with criminals, they're better off cooperating in the long run.

I'm just waiting for them to start income tax for expats. Don't mind paying some tax taking into account the benefits I enjoy being a British citizen abroad, but I just know they'll try and milk it once they know CSR etc has taken it's grip.

[Lord Kangana]

Define 'milk it' though. I think most of us (and I include the Super Rich especially in this) are going to have to decide what it is we want from the world with regard to how much things actually cost.

Want to live in a civilized, law-abiding society? That costs.

Want a healthy, skilled workforce? That costs.

Plus a million other ancilliary benefits that follow working in a country that, well, works, for the benefit of the majority. It isn't just to the benefit of the individual that individual benefit is solely reserved. It has an affect on us all.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Hard to put a figure on it, but I look at it like this:

I don't live in the country and I have limited access to the services that tax pays for. Some services I'm effectively blocked from until I've been back as a resident for an amount of time. This is fine as I'm not currently paying income tax in the UK, but do pay a premium for some government services (passports etc).

If I'm paying income tax at rates anywhere close to a UK resident then I feel I should get something in return. Maybe my access to the NHS should start immediately on my return as well as any benefits etc etc (not that I've ever received any, nor expect to apart from a reduced state pension).

Whilst we don't pay income tax here, we do pay a range of 'fees' and further extortionate amounts for housing and other living costs. Almost certainly we'd be paid more salary in the UK than here. In fact, on a previous job offer a lot more. There are pros and cons and it's our choice. More than happy to pay say 10% as in theory the government would get us out if all imploded here, though going off expats that were in Libya... and we retain a few privileges by virtue of being British. I would object to paying significantly more to fund an ever more privatised NHS that I'm not allowed to use, or to fund the gap between reality and a right wing Brexit wet dream.

So, in a long winded rambling way I guess I'm saying milking it is me having to pay the same rate tax as say your average office worker.

What do you think is reasonable?

[BWFC_Insane]

The problem is, the interpretation of what you believe to be a cut-and-dried deal, by a cabal of people with no-one's interests but their own at heart, will screw us all over. Whether you ticked Leave or Remain.

I suppose little matters such as the 'sharing' of personal details on such a trivial matter of car ownership will not lead onto further regulation demanding more co-operation with the EU.
Next medical records, financial records and then........
Still it's all for the greater good eh!

I find it interesting how the right constantly will bring up civil liberties as an argument against the EU. Yet those same people will vote for a Theresa May led government. DOES. NOT. COMPUTE.

But as you yourself have said - Corbyn is unelectable (which I agree with) I actually think Milliband was unelectable too as it happens - so what's left?

The UKIP protest vote appears to be on the wane - not that I'd have voted for them anyhow.
LibDems pretty much got wiped last time

And the rest are non-entities. So it's still Tory v a very poor Labour.

So I either have to vote for tallest dwarf #1 - May - who's policies I mainly don't agree with or
tallest dwarf #2 - Corbyn - who's policies I think are undeliverable (albeit I'm struggling to think of the last policy commitment the Tories actually delivered on)

My ballot paper is more likely to contain "Charlie the Cartoon Cat" again, because I think he'd do a better job. It's way past time there was a "none of the above" option on the ballot paper.

Well I'd say May is equally "unelectable". Depending upon your definition of that word. She will be elected but is equally as unappealing as Jezza.

That is the depressing scenario we find ourselves in. Whether Corbyn supporters (and they are total and complete mentalists) like it or not, many traditional Labour voters will not vote Labour as they don't want to be seen to condone Corbyn or the direction of the party of late. Equally those who won't vote Labour will likely be as appalled as I am at the prospect of a vacuous and shape-shifting May being PM for another 5 years.

What the Corbyn fanatics can't get is that they are denying the likes of you and I, in fact probably near enough 75% of the electorate a meaningful choice. They are supplying a factional leader of a mainstream party and saying "there you go, there's your choice". What is worse, is, he's not even any good. Nor does he even seem like he's bothered about the dire situation the party is in.

Its about time our electoral system was overhauled, until then we are simply preserving the status quo of the two main parties and allowing a situation like this to occur. We can never have a Macron here (or equivalent) and that means that it just needs some nutters in either party to create this sort of depressing situation we have now.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Seems to me it's a choice between she who wants to shaft anyone with little money to their name and he who wants to shaft anyone with a half decent salary or lucky enough to have Bupa. Everyone should pay a a fair amount of tax and the government should spend it properly. As it stands none of that seems to be the case.