General Chit Chat

[Montreal Wanderer]

Sorry, I haven't a bloody clue as to what it is that's being discussed here. Anyone?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

There is an army of us clueless ones. Like Prufrock I couldn't follow the segue from a woman seeking sentence reduction to pride in avoiding a bitchy breakdown. Alas, Insano's clarification has not helped a great in my comprehension.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Sorry, I haven't a bloody clue as to what it is that's being discussed here. Anyone?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

There is an army of us clueless ones. Like Prufrock I couldn't follow the segue from a woman seeking sentence reduction to pride in avoiding a bitchy breakdown. Alas, Insano's clarification has not helped a great in my comprehension.

Nor me. We need to form a club. The League of Gentlefolk Who Haven't Got a Clue What Hoboh & Insano are Prattling On About.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Sorry, I haven't a bloody clue as to what it is that's being discussed here. Anyone?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one.

There is an army of us clueless ones. Like Prufrock I couldn't follow the segue from a woman seeking sentence reduction to pride in avoiding a bitchy breakdown. Alas, Insano's clarification has not helped a great in my comprehension.

Nor me. We need to form a club. The League of Gentlefolk Who Haven't Got a Clue What Hoboh & Insano are Prattling On About.

Best get them membership badges ordered, reckon a fair few will be needed

If you could order me the generally in a permanent state of bewilderment version I'd be grateful

[Hoboh]

Some people need to broaden their horizons a little more

[Lost Leopard Spot]

My garden overlooks the back gardens of a small terrace of sheltered housing. The end house has the longest resident in it in the form of a formidable battleaxe, now in her early nineties. She used to chat over the back fence with her neighbour who was even older than she was, but the neighbour died about ten years ago. Since then, instead of o.a.p.'s being housed there, a series of increasingly scroat like tosspots has moved in and out. Sometime a few weeks back a new resident moved in - a proper oldie in need of sheltered housing for once. I saw that Mrs Battleaxe had 'caught' her once last week.
This morning I noticed Mrs Battleaxe and her new neighbour in full winter regalia chatting over the back fence. They're still there, and are being supplied mugs of steaming tea by the resident on the other side, a sprightly chap in his late eighties. I reckon he fancies his chances, poor schmuck, he'll never get a word in edgeways...

[TANGODANCER]

"We just need a few extra things for Christmas"....she said, as we went for the weekly shop.....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

A woman, from Arizona, who gave birth to two children (let me emphasize: Gave Birth to), now pretends to be a man - she has no male genitalia, and has given birth to two children but now identifies as a man called Daniel.
One of his children born male now claims to be female, the other born female now claims to be male: NB, this is all in their heads, the male has bollox and a prostate etc, and the female hasn't.
It gets even weirder, as the thing has a fiancee [who is not the 'father' of the younger generation things] called Shirley, who was born a man. Fxckin' dicks [sic].

Apparently a real story. I'm sorry, but I think the real story is that all four have real mental issues, and society is encouraging this shit. It's a fashion. How Outrageous Am I.

[I'm about to tell work that that I'm not male. Or female. Or trans, or asexual, or blended, etc..
I'm the first employee they've got who is not even part of the Animal Kingdom, and indeed far removed from plants. In fact I'm the single remaining collective of Archaea and symbiotic Viral cells emanating from the Ediacaran epoch. I'm determined not be be called anything at all.]

[Bruce Rioja]

As I've said many times before, Spotty, the two words that can have me believe absolutely anything are 'in America'

[boltonboris]

I've absolutely no objection for anybody being who, or what they want to be, as long as it's their choice. There are people actively encouraging toddlers to be something they're not, rather than leaving them to make their own decision when they're old enough. That's the thing I take exception to.

There absolutely is also, a high % of people who have gender issues, who also suffer mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. That'll be down to (probably) a lack of identity and connection to peers, resulting in lack of acceptance. People are putting their young children through this and blaming society

[Bruce Rioja]

I've absolutely no objection for anybody being who, or what they want to be, as long as it's their choice. There are people actively encouraging toddlers to be something they're not, rather than leaving them to make their own decision when they're old enough. That's the thing I take exception to.

There absolutely is also, a high % of people who have gender issues, who also suffer mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. That'll be down to (probably) a lack of identity and connection to peers, resulting in lack of acceptance. People are putting their young children through this and blaming society

And that, for me. ladies and gentlemen, gender neutrals, LBGTQ's and so on is possibly the most pertinent post ever to appear on this forum.

[BWFC_Insane]

I've absolutely no objection for anybody being who, or what they want to be, as long as it's their choice. There are people actively encouraging toddlers to be something they're not, rather than leaving them to make their own decision when they're old enough. That's the thing I take exception to.

There absolutely is also, a high % of people who have gender issues, who also suffer mental illnesses such as depression and anxiety. That'll be down to (probably) a lack of identity and connection to peers, resulting in lack of acceptance. People are putting their young children through this and blaming society

And that, for me. ladies and gentlemen, gender neutrals, LBGTQ's and so on is possibly the most pertinent post ever to appear on this forum.

It is, though it depends what is meant by "forcing". If the argument is that a gay couple shouldn't be allowed to adopt then I fundamentally disagree with that. If the argument is that all parents should do their level best to let their kids decide what they are and want to be then I'm totally for that. Our culture doesn't make it easy to stay gender neutral at times.

But I think its important. Why should girls wear pink and play with dolls? Why shouldn't boys.

If parents let kids decide I've no issue. But I think there is a lot of pressure, direct and indirect from all quarters here.

[TANGODANCER]

Nothing here that's new. Kids today are made aware of far too many issues at ages they aren't mentally capable of dealing with. In simple terms, childhood and early youth were always times when you didn't have to deal with sex and gender issues, ( that came at fourteen when you were experts in everything ) indeed you were disuaded from doing so by parents, teachers and religious leaders. You were growing up and enjoying possibly the best times of your lives. Half the issue kids have to face are effectively forced into their young lives by adults rather than meeing them on the way to adulthood themselves. In it's mildest form there are multitudes of instances of kids feeling useless and depressed because they aren't winning at everything. In lots of cases the parents themselves are barely old and mature enough themselves. It isn't those around them, bullying has always existed and always will, and it fades away with growing up. The main issue is pushy parents on one end, and parent's not doing their jobs on the other. Don't force personal issues and beliefs on kids who aren't ready to deal with them. Let em be kids. Don't surround them with the cartloads of bollox that exist daily almost everywhere. They'll meet that soon enough. When I was a kid I had a penis and bollox; the girl across the road didn't. Once we ironed that bit out (we had a look) it was sorted. I guess we were just lucky. Some apparently aren't.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nothing here that's new. Kids today are made aware of far too many issues at ages they aren't mentally capable of dealing with. In simple terms, childhood and early youth were always times when you didn't have to deal with sex and gender issues, ( that came at fourteen when you were experts in everything ) indeed you were disuaded from doing so by parents, teachers and religious leaders. You were growing up and enjoying possibly the best times of your lives. Half the issue kids have to face are effectively forced into their young lives by adults rather than meeing them on the way to adulthood themselves. In it's mildest form there are multitudes of instances of kids feeling useless and depressed because they aren't winning at everything. In lots of cases the parents themselves are barely old and mature enough themselves. It isn't those around them, bullying has always existed and always will, and it fades away with growing up. The main issue is pushy parents on one end, and parent's not doing their jobs on the other. Don't force personal issues and beliefs on kids who aren't ready to deal with them. Let em be kids. Don't surround them with the cartloads of bollox that exist daily almost everywhere. They'll meet that soon enough. When I was a kid I had a penis and bollox; the girl across the road didn't. Once we ironed that bit out (we had a look) it was sorted. I guess we were just lucky. Some apparently aren't.

Yeah, but TD in the past when you were a kid, gender stereotypes were forced on kids. Sometimes unintentionally, often intentionally.

Lets not pretend they weren't. They still are in a lot of different ways. Its all wrong.

[boltonboris]

Our 5 year old girl is just that.. A little girl. She has boy-friends (hyphenated for benefit of me!!) and girl-friends. She connects more with other girls though, because she's a girl. We let her have toys that can be aimed at boys, or girls and she'll happily swap and that's great./ It's her choice, but I genuinely do know of personal examples of people not allowing their kids to play with gender specific toys, or choosing clothing colours, because their parents WANT them to grow up as gender neutral. That's not good in my opinion, although that probably makes some narrow minded bigot in some peoples eyes

[boltonboris]

Nothing here that's new. Kids today are made aware of far too many issues at ages they aren't mentally capable of dealing with. In simple terms, childhood and early youth were always times when you didn't have to deal with sex and gender issues, ( that came at fourteen when you were experts in everything ) indeed you were disuaded from doing so by parents, teachers and religious leaders. You were growing up and enjoying possibly the best times of your lives. Half the issue kids have to face are effectively forced into their young lives by adults rather than meeing them on the way to adulthood themselves. In it's mildest form there are multitudes of instances of kids feeling useless and depressed because they aren't winning at everything. In lots of cases the parents themselves are barely old and mature enough themselves. It isn't those around them, bullying has always existed and always will, and it fades away with growing up. The main issue is pushy parents on one end, and parent's not doing their jobs on the other. Don't force personal issues and beliefs on kids who aren't ready to deal with them. Let em be kids. Don't surround them with the cartloads of bollox that exist daily almost everywhere. They'll meet that soon enough. When I was a kid I had a penis and bollox; the girl across the road didn't. Once we ironed that bit out (we had a look) it was sorted. I guess we were just lucky. Some apparently aren't.

Yeah, but TD in the past when you were a kid, gender stereotypes were forced on kids. Sometimes unintentionally, often intentionally.

Lets not pretend they weren't. They still are in a lot of different ways. Its all wrong.

Agree with that BWFCI - Espcially the boys "don't play wi' dolls, you'll turn out a puffter" kind of thing, which I'm obviously against (NOT the homosexuality bit, btw) but it seems to be trending the opposite way now. Is it fashionable, or are people trying TOO hard to be liberal?

[TANGODANCER]

Nothing here that's new. Kids today are made aware of far too many issues at ages they aren't mentally capable of dealing with. In simple terms, childhood and early youth were always times when you didn't have to deal with sex and gender issues, ( that came at fourteen when you were experts in everything ) indeed you were disuaded from doing so by parents, teachers and religious leaders. You were growing up and enjoying possibly the best times of your lives. Half the issue kids have to face are effectively forced into their young lives by adults rather than meeing them on the way to adulthood themselves. In it's mildest form there are multitudes of instances of kids feeling useless and depressed because they aren't winning at everything. In lots of cases the parents themselves are barely old and mature enough themselves. It isn't those around them, bullying has always existed and always will, and it fades away with growing up. The main issue is pushy parents on one end, and parent's not doing their jobs on the other. Don't force personal issues and beliefs on kids who aren't ready to deal with them. Let em be kids. Don't surround them with the cartloads of bollox that exist daily almost everywhere. They'll meet that soon enough. When I was a kid I had a penis and bollox; the girl across the road didn't. Once we ironed that bit out (we had a look) it was sorted. I guess we were just lucky. Some apparently aren't.

Yeah, but TD in the past when you were a kid, gender stereotypes were forced on kids. Sometimes unintentionally, often intentionally. Lets not pretend they weren't. They still are in a lot of different ways. Its all wrong.

Well, unless you are 78 or thereabouts, you don't really know what happened when I was a kid. I have three great grandchildren that I have no idea where they'll end up. I won't love them any less whatever. Maybe beliefs were different back then. Then again, I'm a Catholic so maybe my views differ to yours, but none of that matters when you reach adulthood. By then you should be able to decide for yourself and can't blame anyone. If your childhood is happy and you have decent parents, there's far less chance of you living a miserable life when you grow up surely, whichever path you take in life? The base line is being old enough to deal with issues that shouldn't even arise during childhood. That never alters. Let them have a life. It's theirs, not yours.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And I opened up this debate because there is no scientific justification for the 'choices' that are going on. In a small number of cases there is overwhelming biological justification for attempting to right a miscarriage of genetic content, but it is a tiny minority.
Most transformations are for mental reasons, and even more gender reassignments these days don't even begin to deal with a biological transformation - born a bloke but pretend you're a bint, you can nowadays commit a crime and be put in a womens' prison just on your say so, where you can wank off, using your untouched (by surgery) tool, each and every day [so long as they wear a wig, call themselves Clementine, ponce about a bit, and have influential lawyers who believe the sort of bonkers liberal shit Insano believes in.]
What fxckin' next: At this rate I can see a day when Insano's grandchildren are assigned government BMWs because in their mental state they don't associate with being poor.

[TANGODANCER]

When we were kids and comparing assets etc, my little female friend started to cry and said it was unfair because I had a sticky out thing and she hadn't got one. I said, "Don't worry love, as long as you have one of those that you've got, you can have one of these any time you want". She stopped crying..

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

You're a smooth barsteward Tango

[Montreal Wanderer]

You're a smooth barsteward Tango

For sure. When I did my comparing it would be several years before I found out what they were for other than the obvious.