Today I'm angry about.....

[Bruce Rioja]

BWFC-I. The last lot, your lot, blamed their entire failure on them having to correct "18 years of Tory misrule". See it for what it is!

Did they really? I mean I'm sure it was mentioned but it certainly didn't become the narrative it is now. I don't remember Brown blaming the Tories for the credit crunch...I mean he probably did. I get it that is what politicians do. I'm just pointing out that the mess we're in is not Labour made.

The leopard's point reinforced amply here. Did you ignore every single PMQ session under Blair/Brown? They couldn't leave it alone!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

At work we just used to book a journey (or decide to drive, and submit an expenses claim), arrange a room for the relevant overnight period, and book tickets for conferences/trade fairs/etc. And then get it approved by your line manager, who may or may not have had to get approval for his approval on a sliding scale of costs.
Not anymore. A few years back we outsourced all booking to a third party. People complained about new ridiculous rules: for example one request for a flight to Glasgow four months in advance was denied and the candidate who was going on a trainee course was told to drive there instead, despite the flight costing less than the petrol expense would incur, and the flight getting there quicker by at least two hours, and the fact the chap didn't have a driving licence.
None of this affected me in particular, I didn't really get impacted by the change, if anything it was a little annoying to be treated like a child but that was the extent of it.
And then two months ago the outsourcing (because of the complaints) was changed to a different company. It didn't affect me because I had no travel or accomodation to book... until this week, when I was told I needed to deliver a talk at a symposium in Germany on my subject.
So I sent the information through on Monday, and sat back awaiting travel and accomodation details. I was a little perturbed when nothing came through before Wednesday ( I work a three day week).
But now, I've just received a series of texts from the company that arranges all this stuff:
Taxi to Manchester airport on x date, denied - reason lack of Facebook profile for subject.
Flight from Manchester airport on x date and return on x date unable to process - reason lack of Facebook profile for subject.
Accomodation etc etc etc.
What the fxck!!! I don't have a fxckin Facebook profile, and I'm not going to open one either. FFS. What has not having a Facebook profile got anything to do with being able to book a hotel room, or a flight???????

[TANGODANCER]

How can anybody not be angry at the utterly evil people who just killed four children in the house fire in Walkden? It seems six people were involved altogether, three of them children who can't be named for legal reasons. The main two, a man of 25 and a woman of 20 are in the Crown Court accused of murder. The eldest child that died was apparently a young teenager, and the others eight, seven and three years old. Crazy crazy world...

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/157 ... of_murder/

[BWFC_Insane]

Media and political hypocrisy.

Green is sacked for "misleading statements" regarding pornographic content found on his work computer. And the Tories and right wing media all talk about a "police witch-hunt". It may well be, the point is nobody denies the material was there. He's also had to apologise for a female journalist for "inappropriate behaviour".

Now, let us imagine this was a NHS manager found with this content on their PC. Would the right wing media and PM be saying "witchhunt" "sad situation". Would they hell. They'd be all demanding he was sacked and that the NHS privatisation was accelerated as a result. Or something like that.

The bloke was exposed then tried to lie his way out of it. Seems like in this country its "one rule for Tories another for everyone else".

[TANGODANCER]

Media and political hypocrisy.

Green is sacked for "misleading statements" regarding pornographic content found on his work computer. And the Tories and right wing media all talk about a "police witch-hunt". It may well be, the point is nobody denies the material was there. He's also had to apologise for a female journalist for "inappropriate behaviour".

Now, let us imagine this was a NHS manager found with this content on their PC. Would the right wing media and PM be saying "witchhunt" "sad situation". Would they hell. They'd be all demanding he was sacked and that the NHS privatisation was accelerated as a result. Or something like that.

The bloke was exposed then tried to lie his way out of it. Seems like in this country its "one rule for Tories another for everyone else".

I always appy a mental "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!" to most things of this nature. Can't happen though . More worrying is the fact that our politicians seem to delight in exposing each other's sins rather than doing what they're paid to do, ie, run the country. At a time when people want to know what's happening in that field, we get pornography exposures about members of Parliament. Great.

[BWFC_Insane]

Media and political hypocrisy.

Green is sacked for "misleading statements" regarding pornographic content found on his work computer. And the Tories and right wing media all talk about a "police witch-hunt". It may well be, the point is nobody denies the material was there. He's also had to apologise for a female journalist for "inappropriate behaviour".

Now, let us imagine this was a NHS manager found with this content on their PC. Would the right wing media and PM be saying "witchhunt" "sad situation". Would they hell. They'd be all demanding he was sacked and that the NHS privatisation was accelerated as a result. Or something like that.

The bloke was exposed then tried to lie his way out of it. Seems like in this country its "one rule for Tories another for everyone else".

I always appy a mental "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!" to most things of this nature. Can't happen though . More worrying is the fact that our politicians seem to delight in exposing each other's sins rather than doing what they're paid to do, ie, run the country. At a time when people want to know what's happening in that field, we get pornography exposures about members of Parliament. Great.

What? The vast majority of people don't download porn at work. Then lie about it.

However, those in public office that do that SHOULD know the consequences. This isn't politicians exposing each other, quite the opposite in fact.

And what makes it worse is that if such revelations came to light about say normal non-political public sector managers, the Tory MPs trying to downplay this and the right wing media would be up in arms.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Absolutely evil bloke. Just think, he had legal pornography on a computer. And he kept it private, the dastard! What's more he's a Right-wing, fascist Tory. Pure Evil, he needs hanging...

[BWFC_Insane]

Absolutely evil bloke. Just think, he had legal pornography on a computer. And he kept it private, the dastard! What's more he's a Right-wing, fascist Tory. Pure Evil, he needs hanging...

Yeah, good way to deliberately miss the point.

Nice one.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Absolutely evil bloke. Just think, he had legal pornography on a computer. And he kept it private, the dastard! What's more he's a Right-wing, fascist Tory. Pure Evil, he needs hanging...

Yeah, good way to deliberately miss the point.

Nice one.

I wasn't missing the point, I was deliberately returning that point back to its starting point just to point out that your take on the point is very pointed in one direction only and could be said to have been deliberately twisted to the point where it has become a party political rant from a left wing point of view.

[BWFC_Insane]

Absolutely evil bloke. Just think, he had legal pornography on a computer. And he kept it private, the dastard! What's more he's a Right-wing, fascist Tory. Pure Evil, he needs hanging...

Yeah, good way to deliberately miss the point.

Nice one.

I wasn't missing the point, I was deliberately returning that point back to its starting point just to point out that your take on the point is very pointed in one direction only and could be said to have been deliberately twisted to the point where it has become a party political rant from a left wing point of view.

What? You think expecting a member of the government or any public servant to refrain from downloading and storing pornographic material at work is a "left wing point of view"? Further expecting them not to have deliberately lied about it is also "left wing"?

Lovely.

How much porn do you access at work out of interest?

[Bruce Rioja]

Well, our IT policy at work states quite clearly that various categories of material. including porn, are not to be downloaded onto company equipment even if you're connected via a remote server, and will result in disciplinary action.

Is this not standard practice now?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Absolutely evil bloke. Just think, he had legal pornography on a computer. And he kept it private, the dastard! What's more he's a Right-wing, fascist Tory. Pure Evil, he needs hanging...

Yeah, good way to deliberately miss the point.

Nice one.

I wasn't missing the point, I was deliberately returning that point back to its starting point just to point out that your take on the point is very pointed in one direction only and could be said to have been deliberately twisted to the point where it has become a party political rant from a left wing point of view.

What? You think expecting a member of the government or any public servant to refrain from downloading and storing pornographic material at work is a "left wing point of view"? Further expecting them not to have deliberately lied about it is also "left wing"?

Lovely.

How much porn do you access at work out of interest?

I don't access porn at all, whether in work or not. And yes Bruce it is standard practice for that kind of declaration in a contract.
But, and there is a but... as an MP, his computer and its contents are privileged. That is, in law. And the content discovered was purely legal. He didn't sign a contract stating all the stuff that Bruce's IT policy declares, therefore any conversation relating to what an NHS manager, or me, or any other fxcker does or does not do in regard to downloading porn is irrelevant to the circumstances of Green's position.

[Bruce Rioja]

Those three little words - Options - History - Delete

[BWFC_Insane]

Well, our IT policy at work states quite clearly that various categories of material. including porn, are not to be downloaded onto company equipment even if you're connected via a remote server, and will result in disciplinary action.

Is this not standard practice now?

Been standard practice for best part of two decades I think.

And an offence that would result in instant dismissal just about in every workplace I'd imagine.

[Bruce Rioja]

Well, our IT policy at work states quite clearly that various categories of material. including porn, are not to be downloaded onto company equipment even if you're connected via a remote server, and will result in disciplinary action.

Is this not standard practice now?

Been standard practice for best part of two decades I think.

And an offence that would result in instant dismissal just about in every workplace I'd imagine.

Interesting. This was simply never mentioned when we were under private ownership, but now we're owned by a NYSE company they have guidelines for everything.

So, to avoid this then the best way to avoid any misunderstanding is to not get involved in any of it, however, and to go back to Spotty's point about the MP downloading legal porn, at which point does legal become illegal?

[Harry Genshaw]

Right wing media agenda or not, the former bobbies actions don't sit well in all this. Keeping records after the event is all very well in case of future prosecution's but keep them in a secure area of the police station. Not in your back bedroom years after you've retired. I'd be surprised if that itself wasn't illegal

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Those three little words - Options - History - Delete

A remotely competent It Bod would still find it

I've had to sack someone for porn on a work PC. Particularly embarrassing as it was based at a client's site on their IT infrastructure and I had to sit there 'going through the evidence' and getting a USB stick copy of it with the client IT boss. When my boss asked why I sacked him I simply gave him the USB drive and said look at this. He did on his work laptop and I asked him what it was worth not to grass him up for looking at porn in his work laptop

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Those three little words - Options - History - Delete

A remotely competent It Bod would still find it

I've had to sack someone for porn on a work PC. Particularly embarrassing as it was based at a client's site on their IT infrastructure and I had to sit there 'going through the evidence' and getting a USB stick copy of it with the client IT boss. When my boss asked why I sacked him I simply gave him the USB drive and said look at this. He did on his work laptop and I asked him what it was worth not to grass him up for looking at porn in his work laptop

Exactiment monsieur. Who'll police the police who police the IT policy of the police who police us!

[BWFC_Insane]

Well, our IT policy at work states quite clearly that various categories of material. including porn, are not to be downloaded onto company equipment even if you're connected via a remote server, and will result in disciplinary action.

Is this not standard practice now?

Been standard practice for best part of two decades I think.

And an offence that would result in instant dismissal just about in every workplace I'd imagine.

Interesting. This was simply never mentioned when we were under private ownership, but now we're owned by a NYSE company they have guidelines for everything.

So, to avoid this then the best way to avoid any misunderstanding is to not get involved in any of it, however, and to go back to Spotty's point about the MP downloading legal porn, at which point does legal become illegal?

As far back as I can remember everyone I've worked for has had an internet policy or acceptable usage policy, ranging from 'you're firewalled and if you want to go outside put a request in' to 'you can access everything but the following materials will result in disciplinary action'.

I'm sure early days of the net this stuff wasn't there but I've forgotten, but I'm equally sure anyone caught with port, internet or otherwise would have been dismissed anywhere I've worked.

It isn't a question of legality either. It's just something that you shouldn't ever do at work and expect to keep your job. Especially if you are a public official.

I have no issue with him using his home facilities and equipment to download whatever he likes as long as its legal. But not at work, and especially not using publically funded stuff.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Well, our IT policy at work states quite clearly that various categories of material. including porn, are not to be downloaded onto company equipment even if you're connected via a remote server, and will result in disciplinary action.

Is this not standard practice now?

Been standard practice for best part of two decades I think.

And an offence that would result in instant dismissal just about in every workplace I'd imagine.

Interesting. This was simply never mentioned when we were under private ownership, but now we're owned by a NYSE company they have guidelines for everything.

So, to avoid this then the best way to avoid any misunderstanding is to not get involved in any of it, however, and to go back to Spotty's point about the MP downloading legal porn, at which point does legal become illegal?

As far back as I can remember everyone I've worked for has had an internet policy or acceptable usage policy, ranging from 'you're firewalled and if you want to go outside put a request in' to 'you can access everything but the following materials will result in disciplinary action'.

I'm sure early days of the net this stuff wasn't there but I've forgotten, but I'm equally sure anyone caught with port, internet or otherwise would have been dismissed anywhere I've worked.

It isn't a question of legality either. It's just something that you shouldn't ever do at work and expect to keep your job. Especially if you are a public official.

I have no issue with him using his home facilities and equipment to download whatever he likes as long as its legal. But not at work, and especially not using publically funded stuff.

And you, once again, are distorting the truth of the matter. As a member of parliament the contents of his computer are, by law, privileged. He did not sign a contract including IT policies. The divulgence of what was on his computer was illegal. The storage of the hard drive was done illegally. The taking of the hard drive and reading it was probably illegal, and it was argued at the time it shouldn't have been done. The fact that all this illegal activity on behalf of the police should result in the disclosure of legal content is outrageous. Just because the word PORN is bandied about, prurient and prudish dickheads are all in a lather, and sadly you seem to fall squarely in the latter category.