The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

[boltonboris]

Cardiff hack reckons the Madine deal will be worth around £2.3m up front with very ambitious bonuses. So about £2.3m in total

For our best player

When other players in the division are moving for between £10-18m

Our 3 most saleable assets have fetched less than £9m over the last 2 years.

Thet's getting your pants pulled down and pumped good and proper. Don;t sugarcoat it

[TANGODANCER]

Cardiff hack reckons the Madine deal will be worth around £2.3m up front with very ambitious bonuses. So about £2.3m in total

For our best player

When other players in the division are moving for between £10-18m

Our 3 most saleable assets have fetched less than £9m over the last 2 years.

Thet's getting your pants pulled down and pumped good and proper. Don;t sugarcoat it

If it's true (hope not), then this, and we'll deserve the title "Mugs".

[BWFC_Insane]

Cardiff hack reckons the Madine deal will be worth around £2.3m up front with very ambitious bonuses. So about £2.3m in total

For our best player

When other players in the division are moving for between £10-18m

Our 3 most saleable assets have fetched less than £9m over the last 2 years.

Thet's getting your pants pulled down and pumped good and proper. Don;t sugarcoat it

And all to pay the bills for the next 6 months. But if we go down the bills go up. And the loans become repayable too.

So more debts to cover next year. How will we do that?

The club is operating on permanent short termism. Ken got away with it last year. Even if by some miracle he does again, how can we stay up next year when all the short term loans depart and we're rebuilding once again. Every window we're rebuilding the side. Losing our best player and having to hope we can compensate.

Where is Ken's "I'll put some money in once I'm sole owner"? I'm not expecting him to fund transfers but seemingly he's not paying for anything. We have creditors lining up to be paid and we do everything at the very last minute to avoid KA having to dip into his pockets. And now we're selling our main hope of survival to buy us another month or two.

That's the reality. Cannot sugarcoat it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nixon reporting that Kramer isn't very keen on a move here.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Official: Maxine's gone (to Cardiff to bend over, cough, and have his balls felt).

[Prufrock]

Chris Martin would've been an excellent replacement. Fecking no idea on this Dutch mon.

Selling Madine for big money that meant we could buy 3 or 4 first team players and use some to cover costs would've been fine. This is shite.

Oh well, we're never going to play Wigan again.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Oh well, we're never going to play Wigan again.

That's your silver lining right there...

[BWFC_Insane]

Chris Martin would've been an excellent replacement. Fecking no idea on this Dutch mon.

Selling Madine for big money that meant we could buy 3 or 4 first team players and use some to cover costs would've been fine. This is shite.

Oh well, we're never going to play Wigan again.

Yeah. Selling him 3 weeks ago might have just about been ok. But its a Ken special. Sell your best player on the last day of the window to save him some money.

Unless they pull something major out of the bag, not some dodgy loans, but some actual proper experienced permanent signings, with the money then Ken and his entourage can do one as far as I'm concerned.

[nelson66]

am quite optimistic that with Madine gone and Chungy in we might see a different style of play in the coming weeks

clouds, silver linings and all that

[TANGODANCER]

And all to pay the bills for the next 6 months. But if we go down the bills go up. And the loans become repayable too.
So more debts to cover next year. How will we do that?
Where is Ken's "I'll put some money in once I'm sole owner"? I'm not expecting him to fund transfers but seemingly he's not paying for anything. We have creditors lining up to be paid and we do everything at the very last minute to avoid KA having to dip into his pockets. And now we're selling our main hope of survival to buy us another month or two.
That's the reality. Cannot sugarcoat it.

I'm thinking all wrong here. In plain unvarnished terms: Ken Anderson owns the club, so effectively, the debts are now his. That either right or wrong. If he doesn't intend to make it work, why did he buy ( was given) it. ? I don't really care how shrewd a businessman he is, only that he owns B.W.F.C. You have bills, you pay them. Cannot sugar coat that either.

[Bruce Rioja]

Chris Martin would've been an excellent replacement. Fecking no idea on this Dutch mon.

Selling Madine for big money that meant we could buy 3 or 4 first team players and use some to cover costs would've been fine. This is shite.

Oh well, we're never going to play Wigan again.

Yeah. Selling him 3 weeks ago might have just about been ok. But its a Ken special. Sell your best player on the last day of the window to save him some money.

Unless they pull something major out of the bag, not some dodgy loans, but some actual proper experienced permanent signings, with the money then Ken and his entourage can do one as far as I'm concerned.

I wish you'd do one. Hasn't it ever occurred to you that your hero can lose his form as quickly as he found it? What then? Shit up top again and no money either.

[BWFC_Insane]

And all to pay the bills for the next 6 months. But if we go down the bills go up. And the loans become repayable too.
So more debts to cover next year. How will we do that?
Where is Ken's "I'll put some money in once I'm sole owner"? I'm not expecting him to fund transfers but seemingly he's not paying for anything. We have creditors lining up to be paid and we do everything at the very last minute to avoid KA having to dip into his pockets. And now we're selling our main hope of survival to buy us another month or two.
That's the reality. Cannot sugarcoat it.

I'm thinking all wrong here. In plain unvarnished terms: Ken Anderson owns the club, so effectively, the debts are now his. That either right or wrong. If he doesn't intend to make it work, why did he buy ( was given) it. ? I don't really care how shrewd a businessman he is, only that he owns B.W.F.C. You have bills, you pay them. Cannot sugar coat that either.

He's responsible but ultimately not in the sense he has to support the club with his own money. He can as he is doing continue to sell things to pay the bills. Or ultimately place the club into administration. He's responsible in the sense that he is chairman and majority shareholder, but nothing says he has to put money in.

As for why he bought the club, I mean he paid a pound. And presumably his plan is to sell it for a profit, but selling a football club seemingly is more difficult than he thought. So he's just going to keep selling our assets to cover the bills until he can't. Then presumably its admin time.

[Prufrock]

I assume his plan is to get to the end of this season with a championship club with very few financial commitments (not many pre-Ken contacts go beyond this summer) in the hope that he can sell it.

Christ help us if we go down.

[BWFC_Insane]

Chris Martin would've been an excellent replacement. Fecking no idea on this Dutch mon.

Selling Madine for big money that meant we could buy 3 or 4 first team players and use some to cover costs would've been fine. This is shite.

Oh well, we're never going to play Wigan again.

Yeah. Selling him 3 weeks ago might have just about been ok. But its a Ken special. Sell your best player on the last day of the window to save him some money.

Unless they pull something major out of the bag, not some dodgy loans, but some actual proper experienced permanent signings, with the money then Ken and his entourage can do one as far as I'm concerned.

I wish you'd do one. Hasn't it ever occurred to you that your hero can lose his form as quickly as he found it? What then? Shit up top again and no money either.

That's ridiculous though. Any player can lose form. So you'd best sell every player in case they lose form or get injured. There is a difference between getting a good fee and reinvesting it so you're stronger and it making sense. Or even getting such a good fee you can't turn it down. And selling your only player scoring goals, capable of leading the line with a few hours of the window left.

And its a pattern isn't it. Clough last year. Now Madine. And if we go down (and I accept there was no guarantee we wouldn't anyway but selling Madine certainly negatively impacts our chances) we lose 5M quid in revenue. There's the fee gone. And we've still got operating losses and increasing debts. So what then? Sell some more?

[BWFC_Insane]

I assume his plan is to get to the end of this season with a championship club with very few financial commitments (not many pre-Ken contacts go beyond this summer) in the hope that he can sell it.

Christ help us if we go down.

The renegotiated BM loan schedule kicks in though!

[Bruce Rioja]

That's ridiculous though. Any player can lose form. So you'd best sell every player in case they lose form or get injured.

Now who's being ridiculous? In fact, that's so far beyond ridiculous that even your hyperbole doesn't have an adequate term.

We're not talking about "any player". We're talking specifically about one player who for 95% of his time here has proved to be nothing other than a hapless calamity but who is currently enjoying a purple patch.

But you can't see that.

[BWFC_Insane]

That's ridiculous though. Any player can lose form. So you'd best sell every player in case they lose form or get injured.

Now who's being ridiculous? In fact, that's so far beyond ridiculous that even your hyperbole doesn't have an adequate term.

We're not talking about "any player". We're talking specifically about one player who for 95% of his time here has proved to be nothing other than a hapless calamity but who is currently enjoying a purple patch.

But you can't see that.

We'll see who is right come the end of the season. I look forward to that. You can't see what he brings and how he's improved over his time here. Perhaps you will when he's gone.

If he's as bad as you say it won't be an issue finding someone else who can bang 10 goals in till the end of the season in the same system Madine's been playing in. Should be a certainty.

[Prufrock]

That's ridiculous though. Any player can lose form. So you'd best sell every player in case they lose form or get injured.

Now who's being ridiculous? In fact, that's so far beyond ridiculous that even your hyperbole doesn't have an adequate term.

We're not talking about "any player". We're talking specifically about one player who for 95% of his time here has proved to be nothing other than a hapless calamity but who is currently enjoying a purple patch.

But you can't see that.

I take your point on Nadine up to now, but Preston have turned down £8m for a lad I'd never heard of until this season who has scored 3 goals.

We're selling our top scorer (and at least he's having a bloody purple patch) for f*ck all with 5 mins to sign a replacement.

I thought the useless bastards were supposed to be fecking agents. Genuinely thought the days of getting fecked over for our best players might end.

More fool me.

[BWFC_Insane]

That's ridiculous though. Any player can lose form. So you'd best sell every player in case they lose form or get injured.

Now who's being ridiculous? In fact, that's so far beyond ridiculous that even your hyperbole doesn't have an adequate term.

We're not talking about "any player". We're talking specifically about one player who for 95% of his time here has proved to be nothing other than a hapless calamity but who is currently enjoying a purple patch.

But you can't see that.

I take your point on Nadine up to now, but Preston have turned down £8m for a lad I'd never heard of until this season who has scored 3 goals.

We're selling our top scorer (and at least he's having a bloody purple patch) for f*ck all with 5 mins to sign a replacement.

I thought the useless bastards were supposed to be fecking agents. Genuinely thought the days of getting fecked over for our best players might end.

More fool me.

I think Ken's more interested in protecting his own cash and potential for a sale profit than anything else. The deal does not make any footballing sense.

Parky described selling Madine in this window as "ludicrous" and "crazy". Says all you need to know about the sense behind the move and the manager's feelings.

I kind of wish Parky would just do a Todd and say "nah feck this". That would really shaft Ken, but Parky is too much of a gent to do that sadly.

[dave the minion]

I assume his plan is to get to the end of this season with a championship club with very few financial commitments (not many pre-Ken contacts go beyond this summer) in the hope that he can sell it.

Christ help us if we go down.

Can we have a bit of a reliability check here please??
Cast your minds back a few years. Eddie wanted out and the harsh reality is no one wanted in. I don't blame Eddie for wanting out, but the minute he did we were screwed. We were sliding down the league and had disastrous appointment after disastrous appoitment to try to manage the team.
The club had no cash and was a basket case. The only person willing to invest was good old Deano, and we all know how that went don't we?

KA came in as a businessman, and as far as I can tell, the ONLY person out there will a viable option of keeping us from the wall. He owes us nothing but we do owe him for saving the club. He can't be expected to fund the club himself, and no one else is willing to do it. Yes, I'm absolutely sure he is only in it to try to sell up and make a quick buck, but in the short term his desires to do that align with ours as fans as he can only do it if the club survives and he hopefully improves us as a team and can fetch a higher price.

If there's no one out there willing to invest this isn't Ken's fault. If the club is making losses and he needs to fund them, this isn't Ken's fault (and actually I believe he's tried to reduce the losses). If he's run out of cash it isn't Ken's fault.

The reality is that whilst to us its our club, to everyone else its a business like any other. That business needs some cash and it has saleable assets. Its not rocket science to join up the dots to work out what needs to be done to survive (financially).

A good example of this is back in the late 90's. The club was going to the wall financially even back then, and I knew someone who was working for the auditors of Burnden Leisure at the time. The club managed to successfully sell the old Burnden Park site, which brought in something like £10m. The fans rejoiced, but then very quickly turned on the club when they didn't re-invets it in the squad. What the fans didn't know is that the club already had a bank loan in place which was contractually repayable upon sale of the BP site. What I'm trying to say here is that we think about things to do with our club emotionally, but the reality of trying to keep a basket-case of a business afloat is often very difficult, and more often than not you have to make decisions - like selling your best - and therefore most valuable - assets for short term survival.

At the end of the day Madine is a great loss the way he is playing at the moment. Yes, he's unpredictable, so how he performs from now on would be uncertain in any case, but he will be missed in his current form. We alrady have players such as Vela and ALF that potentially could step up and with a change in style, flourish. They might not though. We may or may not get in a replacement before the day is up, and they may or may not be a success.

Ultimately thought it all boils down to a very simple fact - without the sale of Madine the club may well have ceased to exist in the coming weeks/months. With the sale of Madine we still have a club (for now...) - surely that's the most important thing isnt' it?