The Promotion Commotion Transfer Thread 2017

[bristol_Wanderer3]

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/februa ... -chairman/

^^ Ken's take on the JTW.

Sounds like he is alluding to the £6m + add ons figure being more or less accurate..

[BWFC_Insane]

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/februa ... -chairman/

Ken weighs in. Madine handed in a transfer request after he (or his agent) learned of the wages on offer in Cardiff.

As has been stated on many occasions by other clubs, the biggest disadvantage of doing last minute transfers is the difficulty and almost impossible challenge of finding a replacement so late in the day, and as it turned out, despite making numerous enquiries and several offers to other clubs and players, we were unable to conclude a deal to replace Gary.

Many of the names that have been mentioned in the media as possible targets were correct, but as l have already said, despite all the efforts by the manager, the recruitment team and myself, we were not successful.

We have not given up on finding a suitable replacement for Gary and are today actively looking at out-of-contract players.

Despite receiving bids for other players in our squad, we opted to ensure that nobody else left. It was always our intention to come out of this window with a larger squad, although I do accept that Gary is a massive loss and will be difficult to replace between now and the end of the season, but both the manager and I believe that we have a squad strong enough to retain Championship status this season and to kick on next season

I'm glad he doesn't sugarcoat it. Massive loss. In fairness to Ken it sounds like very unfortunate timing and tricky. Equally though if on the 24th you basically knew he was going surely at that point you ensure you have someone to come in? And you tell the player he can go as long as you bring a replacement in?

Especially when after the event you're having to admit what a huge loss it was.

Anyhow, sounds like we'll try and bring a free agent in.

[BWFC_Insane]

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/februa ... -chairman/

^^ Ken's take on the JTW.

Sounds like he is alluding to the £6m + add ons figure being more or less accurate..

He's going to want to say that. Few in Cardiff suggesting 2M up front rising to 5M total depending on appearances, goals and promotion.

We'll never know.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/februa ... -chairman/

^^ Ken's take on the JTW.

Sounds like he is alluding to the £6m + add ons figure being more or less accurate..

He's going to want to say that. Few in Cardiff suggesting 2M up front rising to 5M total depending on appearances, goals and promotion.

We'll never know.

Given it is our only cash sale of the whole season, then it should be decipherable from the accounts...

[BWFC_Insane]

https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2018/februa ... -chairman/

^^ Ken's take on the JTW.

Sounds like he is alluding to the £6m + add ons figure being more or less accurate..

He's going to want to say that. Few in Cardiff suggesting 2M up front rising to 5M total depending on appearances, goals and promotion.

We'll never know.

Given it is our only cash sale of the whole season, then it should be decipherable from the accounts...

We'll find out the upfront payment for sure.

[Bruce Rioja]

Madine handed in a transfer request after he (or his agent) learned of the wages on offer in Cardiff.

Interesting. I take it then that that means we don't have to settle any future payments to him

if on the 24th you basically knew he was going surely at that point you ensure you have someone to come in? And you tell the player he can go as long as you bring a replacement in?

I really don't think that we had the luxury of being in that position.

[BWFC_Insane]

Madine handed in a transfer request after he (or his agent) learned of the wages on offer in Cardiff.

Interesting. I take it then that that means we don't have to settle any future payments to him

if on the 24th you basically knew he was going surely at that point you ensure you have someone to come in? And you tell the player he can go as long as you bring a replacement in?

I really don't think that we had the luxury of being in that position.

Perhaps not. Its exactly the sort of thing people used to slam Garty for though.

[Bruce Rioja]

Madine handed in a transfer request after he (or his agent) learned of the wages on offer in Cardiff.

Interesting. I take it then that that means we don't have to settle any future payments to him

if on the 24th you basically knew he was going surely at that point you ensure you have someone to come in? And you tell the player he can go as long as you bring a replacement in?

I really don't think that we had the luxury of being in that position.

Perhaps not. Its exactly the sort of thing people used to slam Garty for though.

Come on, mate. Never once in the same circumstances.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Madine handed in a transfer request after he (or his agent) learned of the wages on offer in Cardiff.
[...]
if on the 24th you basically knew he was going surely at that point you ensure you have someone to come in? And you tell the player he can go as long as you bring a replacement in?

Aye. By Ken's admission, Madine handed in a transfer request on Thursday 24th and Ken met the Cardiff chairman on Wednesday 30th. Six long days. I get the point of dragging the sale out to raise the price but it feels like we haven't done the homework on possible incomings. Whether it's Kramer, Magennis, McGoldrick or whoever, it feels like we drew up a list without making enough calls to agents and owners (or we simply got 'played' by them). Maybe that's not true and I'm being unfair, but how many target men did we sign?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

There's a few other clever little things in there. Shifting the blame to Madine and his advisors - aye, agents eh? Rolling out Mark Davies like Tiny Tim.

"It was always our intention to come out with a larger squad" simply doesn't chime with those pre-Christmas notes about having 33 eligible players and wanting to reduce that to a squad size of 23/24.

The lack of outgoings (bar the big man) is the weirdest thing. Maybe nobody wanted any of 'em.

[BWFC_Insane]

There's a few other clever little things in there. Shifting the blame to Madine and his advisors - aye, agents eh? Rolling out Mark Davies like Tiny Tim.

"It was always our intention to come out with a larger squad" simply doesn't chime with those pre-Christmas notes about having 33 eligible players and wanting to reduce that to a squad size of 23/24.

The lack of outgoings (bar the big man) is the weirdest thing. Maybe nobody wanted any of 'em.

Indeed. Maybe Madine wanted to go. Maybe it was the best thing we could do. I can accept that. But I fail to believe he couldn't have been kept till the summer if we tried. And I fail to accept we couldn't bring a replacement of some sort in. Given even Ken seems to be saying we're desperately now missing a striker.

There is a lot in there to try and deflect away from the fact that each window we're selling our best player and the money is being swallowed up to run the club. Ken is putting nothing in (despite promising he would at least cover some costs) and we're not reinvesting at all in the team.

At the end of this season once again the majority of our squad will leave and it will be another piece it together job, irrespective of the league we're in. I accept there was going to be a period like this, but there is absolutely no sign of it ending and any stability returning.

[Athertonian]

Will we miss Madine? Of course we will. He's a striker scoring goals in a poor side which does attract other clubs. Will he be a success at Cardiff? who knows.
I have never been a Madine lover and would have been glad to have seen him gone pre season but, he proved me and many more wrong. We got some money for him (whether that goes into Kens pocket or to the tax man) we probably wont know.

I must admit Madine's centre forward play has been excellent and faultless, will ALF get a game? again another problem for the manager. I sincerely hope he does field ALF because he's a goal scorer.
All season so far has been a hard slog and results have been difficult to come by and now, we have sold the goose that could have laid a golden egg.
Sorry fans were doomed but, before you slag me off for being negative the truth is there for all to see. My heart is there but being realistic the faith isn't. Hope I'm proved wrong.

[palindromeofbolton]

"It was always our intention to come out with a larger squad" simply doesn't chime with those pre-Christmas notes about having 33 eligible players and wanting to reduce that to a squad size of 23/24.

Really weird, that bit. Am sure he mentioned reducing the squad size on more than on one occasion, too. You could argue that Flanagan is an upgrade in the FB position, but you could also argue that both Taylor and Darby are now 4th choice in their respective positions. How does that square with the ultimate aim of balancing the books, plus how will it affect morale in the squad if you've got another two players who probably won't even make the bench now?

EDIT: Sorry, Taylor would be 3rd choice, behind Robinson and Flanagan; Darby 4th behind Little, Flanagan and Burke (presuming CB can be covered by Wheevers).

[boltonboris]

I think the signings suggest a shift back to 3-5-2

Flanagan & Little are both hard-running options and we've got Taylor and Robinson on the other side - Probably a good balance, as we've got 6 games coming up in Feb and we'll need freshness

Burke will slot into the 3 nicely and it'll mean we can go back to playing with pace higher up the pitch, with any 2/3 of Ameobi, Clough, Buckley & Vela (not to mention Noone) trying to get ammo into whoever will be playing up top (most likely Walker at this stage)

As mentioned though, we've got a real inbalance. Players who will be nowhere near the squad still picking up wages. 2 out and 4/5(?) in, when the squad was already over-stocked

Seems a waste of resources not trying to move a few on such as Darby, Morais, Wilbraham and Karacan

[boltonboris]

For what it's worth, our head office in Rotterdam is quite heavily stacked with Feyenoord nutters - One of them had this to day about Kramer:

"A tall but lazy guy but good for the goal he always scores many goals for his team. Not good enough for the top teams in our league (Feyenoord / ajax / psv) but for all others he would always be playing"

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the signings suggest a shift back to 3-5-2

Flanagan & Little are both hard-running options and we've got Taylor and Robinson on the other side - Probably a good balance, as we've got 6 games coming up in Feb and we'll need freshness

Burke will slot into the 3 nicely and it'll mean we can go back to playing with pace higher up the pitch, with any 2/3 of Ameobi, Clough, Buckley & Vela (not to mention Noone) trying to get ammo into whoever will be playing up top (most likely Walker at this stage)

As mentioned though, we've got a real inbalance. Players who will be nowhere near the squad still picking up wages. 2 out and 4/5(?) in, when the squad was already over-stocked

Seems a waste of resources not trying to move a few on such as Darby, Morais, Wilbraham and Karacan

Maybe, but I don't think we suit 3-5-2 that much.

I think it'll be...(not tomorrow - they won't throw all the new lads in after 1 days training) if everyone's fit....

Little Burke Wheater Flanagan
Prats Henry
Ameobi Vela Clough
Walker (or the target man if we sign him).

[boltonboris]

I think the signings suggest a shift back to 3-5-2

Flanagan & Little are both hard-running options and we've got Taylor and Robinson on the other side - Probably a good balance, as we've got 6 games coming up in Feb and we'll need freshness

Burke will slot into the 3 nicely and it'll mean we can go back to playing with pace higher up the pitch, with any 2/3 of Ameobi, Clough, Buckley & Vela (not to mention Noone) trying to get ammo into whoever will be playing up top (most likely Walker at this stage)

As mentioned though, we've got a real inbalance. Players who will be nowhere near the squad still picking up wages. 2 out and 4/5(?) in, when the squad was already over-stocked

Seems a waste of resources not trying to move a few on such as Darby, Morais, Wilbraham and Karacan

Maybe, but I don't think we suit 3-5-2 that much.

I think it'll be...(not tomorrow - they won't throw all the new lads in after 1 days training) if everyone's fit....

Little Burke Wheater Flanagan
Prats Henry
Ameobi Vela Clough
Walker (or the target man if we sign him).

Certainly need an extra man up top now!

Would also be surprised if we started playing inverted full backs unless we really needed to! Flanagan is a right back

[BWFC_Insane]

Some quotes from PP - anyone who criticises this man wants their bumps feeling. So proud to have him as our manager......


@tylerjandrew1 is a good young striker. He's not a replacement for Gary, he is a different player. He can play upfront or outwide and has a lot of experience.

@jon_flan93 is an experienced player. He's played at a high level and can play on both sides. He will be comfortable on both sides and his character really appealed to us.

We've got to work with @ZachClough to get him going again. He's delighted to be back and can't wait to get started. He's been welcomed back with open arms.

It was a very good offer we received for Gaz. It's tough losing any player late in the window but the deal did not materialise until this stage. We tried everything to get a player in. We weren't able to pay over the odds to make it happen.

I've been a manager for 15 years now. What I've learned is you always have to be ready to get up the next day and go again. The transfer window is gone, we can't feel sorry for ourselves.

We have been written off so many times before and will be again. It will be a great achievement if we stay in this division.

We had all the paperwork for Lee Chung-Yong done but then Palace couldn't do the deal. Zach's agent then rang me out the blue and his desire to play for this club made it very appealing for us.

The next stage of Bolton Wanderers is to get to the stage of some of our rivals who can now spend money on players. We are getting towards that, slowly but surely.

The Chairman didn't want to sell Gary but the bid kept going up and up and we had a judgement call to make. It is a blow but we are positive.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Notes from Dr. January Transfer-Window's recent round on the Championship Ward concerning the patient Mr B 'Trotter' Wanderers.

"Prior to my round I had been informed by Dr. Parkinson that the patient was recovering well after a poorly start to the year. Unfortunately however, when I examined the patient towards the end of my round I discovered a massive lump which was subject to Persistent Warnock Syndrome. This required excision, which was carried out successfully. Again, unfortunately, after a quick diagnosis the resultant necessary medication to restore the patient to full health was beyond the budget of Mr Wanderers, and a number of cheap and loaned medications were brought in to treat the open gaping wound. The most efficacious of these embrocations (Zachcloughbackagain) requires the patient to undergo painful contortions to enable the medicine to be successfully applied.
The prognosis is not good: Terminal Decline. It will take the patient some time before the hole created by the removal of the massive lump can heal. Zachcloughisbackagain might help in the healing process but Trotter's GP - Dr Parkinson - is unfamiliar with the necessary subtle techniques in applying this liniment. Meanwhile the patient's finances are precarious (despite his wife saying they've come into a serious amount of money, which appears to be a ruse to get the hospital to continue financing further probably necessary operations).
We are shortly going to have to transfer the patient to Ward One. It is my understanding that is further away than his best friend, Mr Insane, is prepared to go to see him, and the future (deprived of the funding supplied by Mr Insane) will necessitate a further transfer on to Ward Two. The shock of this transfer alone, can sometimes cause fatalities. We'll need to keep a close eye on all of Trotter's vital statistics to prevent this almost inevitable decline. It must be noted that no Do Not Resuscitate has yet been registered against Mr Wanderers.
Sorry to be the bearer of such bad news.
Dr J. Transfer-Window FFFS

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the signings suggest a shift back to 3-5-2

Flanagan & Little are both hard-running options and we've got Taylor and Robinson on the other side - Probably a good balance, as we've got 6 games coming up in Feb and we'll need freshness

Burke will slot into the 3 nicely and it'll mean we can go back to playing with pace higher up the pitch, with any 2/3 of Ameobi, Clough, Buckley & Vela (not to mention Noone) trying to get ammo into whoever will be playing up top (most likely Walker at this stage)

As mentioned though, we've got a real inbalance. Players who will be nowhere near the squad still picking up wages. 2 out and 4/5(?) in, when the squad was already over-stocked

Seems a waste of resources not trying to move a few on such as Darby, Morais, Wilbraham and Karacan

Maybe, but I don't think we suit 3-5-2 that much.

I think it'll be...(not tomorrow - they won't throw all the new lads in after 1 days training) if everyone's fit....

Little Burke Wheater Flanagan
Prats Henry
Ameobi Vela Clough
Walker (or the target man if we sign him).

Certainly need an extra man up top now!

Would also be surprised if we started playing inverted full backs unless we really needed to! Flanagan is a right back

I know. But Parky is referencing today that he's equally comfortable at left back. He's played a lot of games at left back. With Madine gone Little is probably our player of the season for me. So our weakness at full back is Robinson (can't defend) so I can only assume Flanagan plays there initially.