Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

[BWFC_Insane]

If (not suggesting we necessarily should) we were looking to make a change, Paul Hurst from Shrewsbury would be another name to throw into the ring. Having watched them last night for the third time in recent times, he has done really well there on a bottom half budget, and with a lot of players he has bought from non-league and L2. They are both strong and no-nonsense and enterprising at the same time, and always compact and organized. And he seems really calm and assured. Jon Nolan looks a really good number 10 type too who could play in the Championship.

If we're replacing Parky, we replace him with someone proven at this level or higher. Not someone from down the food chain who is a total risk. We've tried that and not found it successful.

Have we?! Last few appointments prior to PP we've gone for a "name" rather than someone who's shown they can do the job in similar circumstances. If we were to get rid, someone with a track record of working with no money would be far more important to me than a "track record" of managing in the Championship, whatever that means.

Oh no, how will I adapt to exactly the same game with slightly better players.

Been thinking about this. I know what BWFCi means (I was certainly glad when Barnsley took a flyer on Morais) but IMO it's an overstated need to "know the division". And apparently a lot of clubs agree, given the CVs they approved:

Champions Wolves’ Nuno Espirito Santo hadn’t managed a single game in this division.
5th-placed Boro’s Tony Pulís hadn’t managed in it since 2007.
7th-placed Preston’s Alex Neil is 36, so he can hardly be castigated for only having nine months’ Champo experience when they hired him last summer; he nudged them up from finishing 11th twice to 7th this time.
8th-placed Millwall’s Neil Harris hadn’t managed in it at all (although he’d been caretaker when Millwall went down).
9th-placed Brentford’s Dean Smith hadn’t managed above the third tier when he joined the Bees, who’ve subsequently been finished in the top 10 three consecutive times.
10th-placed Sheffield United’s Chris Wilder hadn’t managed above the third tier before this season.
11th-placed Bristol City’s Lee Johnson is 36 and hadn’t managed above the third tier when the Robins hired him (at the age of 34).
Further down, Leeds boss Paul Heckingbottom’s only second-tier experience was with Barnsley. Norwich’s Daniel Farke and Sheffield Wednesday’s Jos Luhukay had none whatsoever.

The right man is the right man. Looking at this year's clubs, the managers drenched in tier-two savvy aren't exactly sailing. Obviously Neil Warnock (who's managed 560 games in this division) did well, but other old hands not so. Mick McCarthy (446 games) got the flick. Ian Holloway (452) got the flick. Nigel Clough (305) went down. Chris Coleman (135) went down AND got the flick. Steve Bruce (260) will be under enormous pressure if he doesn’t go up. Knowing the division didn’t save Simon Grayson at Sunderland, Garry Monk at Boro, Carlos Carvalhal at Wednesday, Mark Warburton at Forest or Steve Cotterill at Birmingham.

Guardiola, Mourinho, Klopp, etc.
How many knew anything at all about the league they managed in (i.e. The Premiership) before being first appointed to an English club?
It matters nothing what they know about a division, it's how good they are that counts.
We should be looking abroad to second division clubs in Argentina/Germany/Spain etc or Premier division managers from Norway/Denmark/Serbia etc.
Scottish managers have been proportionately more successful in English divisions than English managers for example.
We need to break the mould and be forward thinking [sic].

All three managers you mention were at the very top end of the game and had proven their ability before coming here. And also went to clubs able to provide them top end budgets to recruit as they saw fit. Totally and utterly different ball game.

Even in Guardiola's case a lot of City fans wanted him out after a poor first season there where clearly he hadn't adjusted his style to English football.

The idea that there are loads of great managers lurking in lower league foreign football is absurd. Totally absurd. There of course will be the odd gem, but finding them is like a needle in a haystack.

Is it fxck absurd, totally absurd! What a dickhead statement.
That's like saying that just a few years ago it would be absurd looking for footballing gems in places like Senegal, Algeria, Gambia, Ivory Coast, Nigeria, Togo and Ghana. Who'd'a thunk it, eh, how absurd, totally absurd.

Back when there were untapped markets then sure. But there aren't anymore. Foreign bargains on players are rare because every club now covers every bleeding market and everyone knows who every good player is.

Why would there be a good manager in the second league in say Greece any better than a manager in the championship in England?

It makes absolutely no sense. If your argument is to cast the net wide then fine. But finding one who can come and do the job isn't straightforward and is essentially taking a punt.

Why would we take a punt rather than have someone who has already proven an ability to do the job in very trying circumstances?

Muddled modern football fan thinking.

[Harry Genshaw]

Isn't every appointment a punt?

Birmingham hired an experienced coach with an excellent track record in Redknapp.

Bury hired a successful league 1 manager and gave him cash to spend. He was gone by December and they've been relegated.

Due diligence is a must but really if it's not Pep or José and you've not got millions to spend, then Carlos Coachaball may turn out to be a better bet than Alan Pardew

[BWFC_Insane]

Isn't every appointment a punt?

Birmingham hired an experienced coach with an excellent track record in Redknapp.

Bury hired a successful league 1 manager and gave him cash to spend. He was gone by December and they've been relegated.

Due diligence is a must but really if it's not Pep or José and you've not got millions to spend, then Carlos Coachaball may turn out to be a better bet than Alan Pardew

Lee Clark? Always been shite always will be.

Harry Redknapp - a fraud who would bankrupt a club if given the chance.

All appointments have some risk. But some are far better bets than others. I'd take a Mick McCarthy over some unheard of untested foreign manager, any day of any week. But we have a perfectly good manager, the issue is the club needs to find some way to allow us to compete with other teams in this league and that needs finance.

[Harry Genshaw]

Isn't every appointment a punt?

Birmingham hired an experienced coach with an excellent track record in Redknapp.

Bury hired a successful league 1 manager and gave him cash to spend. He was gone by December and they've been relegated.

Due diligence is a must but really if it's not Pep or José and you've not got millions to spend, then Carlos Coachaball may turn out to be a better bet than Alan Pardew

Lee Clark? Always been shite always will be.

Harry Redknapp - a fraud who would bankrupt a club if given the chance.

All appointments have some risk. But some are far better bets than others. I'd take a Mick McCarthy over some unheard of untested foreign manager, any day of any week. But we have a perfectly good manager, the issue is the club needs to find some way to allow us to compete with other teams in this league and that needs finance.

Lee Clarke is shite but his only experience in league 1 was promotion with Huddersfield.

Redknapp. Dodgy financially no question but his managerial record is way better than Mick McCarthys. I'm not sure what in his record makes him so much more suitable than Ian Holloway who you dismissed so readily.

Agree with your last point though. Stick with Parky for now

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Muddled modern football fan thinking.

I'm 62 years old, you daft cxnt! Hardly modern football fan. You could have presented your argument and left it at that without the added insult at the end, but you couldn't could you? Arsehole forum fan spouting!

[BWFC_Insane]

Muddled modern football fan thinking.

I'm 62 years old, you daft cxnt! Hardly modern football fan. You could have presented your argument and left it at that without the added insult at the end, but you couldn't could you? Arsehole forum fan spouting!

I feel I was quite restrained responding to a post calling my previous post a "dickhead statement". But there we are.

[palindromeofbolton]

About an hour ago (4pm-ish) Lee Anderson tweeted:

Fantastic lunch together with manager today . Future is bright future is WHITE . Roll on next season . #bwfc

Cannot believe this means anything other than PP is staying put for the time being. That's unless the new regime - *if* there's a new regime before the start of the new season - have both the money and desire to get rid. But even at that, I'd presume that if Kenny was in serious talk with the Sheik of Araby, Mr Araby and the fam would have a say in whether PP was getting the nod or not.

[TonyDomingos]

About an hour ago (4pm-ish) Lee Anderson tweeted:

Fantastic lunch together with manager today . Future is bright future is WHITE . Roll on next season . #bwfc

Cannot believe this means anything other than PP is staying put for the time being. That's unless the new regime - *if* there's a new regime before the start of the new season - have both the money and desire to get rid. But even at that, I'd presume that if Kenny was in serious talk with the Sheik of Araby, Mr Araby and the fam would have a say in whether PP was getting the nod or not.

I've just had a fantastic dinner with Mrs Domingos. She too is staying put. For the time being.

[bristol_Wanderer3]

Understand some very positive talks held between Phil Parkinson and Ken Anderson this afternoon. Investment talks ongoing - and obviously present a slight unknown quantity in future - but a shortlist has been drawn up, contracts discussed. Delighted for PP. #bwfc

[TANGODANCER]

Understand some very positive talks held between Phil Parkinson and Ken Anderson this afternoon. Investment talks ongoing - and obviously present a slight unknown quantity in future - but a shortlist has been drawn up, contracts discussed. Delighted for PP. #bwfc

From listening to players like Dave Wheater and a few more, it seems Parky has the dressing room, an absolute must if the players want a team attitude and spirit. Sounds like K.A is also backing Parky to be the man to take us on. I'm one of those who want him to get a chance, so delighted. Get the newbies signed now and away we go...

[Bruce Rioja]

David Hopkin is a name which I feel will get bandied about next season. Not necessarily in relation to us, but having just secured successive promotions with Livingstone it'll be interesting to see how things map out for him.

[palindromeofbolton]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

[Peter Thompson]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

It would be a good move for all parties - especially for us (IMO)

Saying that he'd probably be sacked by October if he plays the same 'long / hoof ball' way at Sunderland

[TANGODANCER]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

It would be a good move for all parties - especially for us (IMO)
Saying that he'd probably be sacked by October if he plays the same 'long / hoof ball' way at Sunderland

I'm gald that's an opinion P.T and not a truth universally acknowleged (thank you Jane) , because I don't agree on either count. P.P came through probably the hardest task any Championship manager had to face through financial distress, no buying options, player embargos, so no player availability, and the pressures of the possibilities of the club folding. Despite all that we came through and are still in the Championship (which is still the No2 League in English football and not some Sunday pub league) . To claim he is just a hoof-ball manager is less than respectful in every way and, in my opinion totally unfair. Surely Parky at the very least deserves a chance to prove he can manage on a level see-saw and not be fighting way above his weight before the season even starts?

[BWFC_Insane]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

It would be a good move for all parties - especially for us (IMO)

Saying that he'd probably be sacked by October if he plays the same 'long / hoof ball' way at Sunderland

Yep, good move to send a proven manager who has just taken us up and kept us up to a potential rival. I love that idea.

Mind you thought it a good move for us when Big Sam went to Newcastle...so.....

[Hoboh]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

It would be a good move for all parties - especially for us (IMO)

Saying that he'd probably be sacked by October if he plays the same 'long / hoof ball' way at Sunderland

Yep, good move to send a proven manager who has just taken us up and kept us up to a potential rival. I love that idea.

Mind you thought it a good move for us when Big Sam went to Newcastle...so.....

Sunderland just might, might maybe have a go at getting BSA back.

[BWFC_Insane]

PP linked to Sunderland job:
http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... rial_radar_/

It would be a good move for all parties - especially for us (IMO)

Saying that he'd probably be sacked by October if he plays the same 'long / hoof ball' way at Sunderland

Yep, good move to send a proven manager who has just taken us up and kept us up to a potential rival. I love that idea.

Mind you thought it a good move for us when Big Sam went to Newcastle...so.....

Sunderland just might, might maybe have a go at getting BSA back.

Why would he want to go to a club in league one club in a financial mess?

The money for their takeover has been secured against future parachute payments....sound familiar?

[jmjhb]

He wouldn't drop two divisions when he's still a viable contender for Prem jobs.

All he needs to do is wait till a struggling Prem club pots their manager, get appointed for 6 months, keep them up, get sacked and receive millions for the privilege. Nice work if you can get it!

[BWFC_Insane]

He wouldn't drop two divisions when he's still a viable contender for Prem jobs.

All he needs to do is wait till a struggling Prem club pots their manager, get appointed for 6 months, keep them up, get sacked and receive millions for the privilege. Nice work if you can get it!

I'm not sure he'll bother. He's been there and done that more than enough times. I suspect he can earn money in Dubai on the TV and doing PAs etc.....

[Prufrock]

Aye, if he was bothered about that he'd have stayed at Palace.

Think when he jacked that he'd had enough and then Everton with their billionaire owner seemed like a chance to maybe compete at the top end. Now that's gone I reckon he's done. Nothing left to prove that's realistically going to happen.