The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Saying Voter ID may not make it a certainty, is like saying that you don't support blood donation because not everybody survives who receives a transfusion.
And opponents of voter fraud always believe only a few hundred votes are at stake. Voter fraud is swept under the carpet.
And even the argument that it's only a few hundred is specious - a President was voted in on the back of less than a hundred 'hanging chads'.

No it isn't. I've shown studies of GE's that show the level of voter fraud. You claim it is widespread but show nothing.

And the studies on the previous GE's show that the areas of suspicion lie in postal votes. So, you need to explain how voter ID would help with that.

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

[TANGODANCER]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

Don't twist words. That isn't what I said at all, is it? I said "successive governments", as whole entities. Who exactly is running the country; who makes decisions? Do you know? Does anybody know? Local councils are repeatedly being told to make cuts, services are disappearing daily because police, parks departments, libraries, traffic wardens outside of the town hall square area ( there isn't a pavement in Farnworth left that isn't cracked from cars parking wholly on them , who is going to replace them?) Our area alone has become a rat-run to the Hospital for every taxi in the area - one taxi firm alone boasting 700 cars) ) We don't have the funds to operate fully we are told as yet another Police Station closes. It doesn't take a genius to realise that internet/on-line shopping and high rents are the reason all the brand names have fled Bolton and District like rats off the Titanic. If M & S pull out we might as well all stay home. Bolton, once a proud and bustling centre of local life, is just a cheap jack and fast food empire full of charity shop[s, cars with no tax discs (another brilliant way to avoid services needing to operate, and drivers with no insurance), made to look third rate by Bury. Farnworth and Keasley have less life than Boot Hill, total ghost towns, Farnworth without even a local market anymore. The council has just spent a fortune and a couple of years at least tearing Newport Street to pieces and putting it back almost exactly the same way. Why? Student flats seem to be all the planners can come up with. All this is governed from Head Office (No 10,) is it not.

Our local politicians are just a bunch of parrots singing songsheets from the "Government". Trade deals and the "big picture" sound very "Big Brother/Animal Farm already to lots of folk around here. Never mind hey, the Royal Wedding is on T.V Saturday. That should cheer folk up.

This Insaney is reality in Bolton and District 2018. We are just another town among many outside the sound of Bow Bells.

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

Don't twist words. That isn't what I said at all, is it? I said "successive governments", as whole entities. Who exactly is running the country; who makes decisions? Do you know? Does anybody know? Local councils are repeatedly being told to make cuts, services are disappearing daily because police, parks departments, libraries, traffic wardens outside of the town hall square area ( there isn't a pavement in Farnworth left that isn't cracked from cars parking wholly on them , who is going to replace them?) Our area alone has become a rat-run to the Hospital for every taxi in the area - one taxi firm alone boasting 700 cars) ) We don't have the funds to operate fully we are told as yet another Police Station closes. It doesn't take a genius to realise that internet/on-line shopping and high rents are the reason all the brand names have fled Bolton and District like rats off the Titanic. If M & S pull out we might as well all stay home. Bolton, once a proud and bustling centre of local life, is just a cheap jack and fast food empire full of charity shop[s, cars with no tax discs (another brilliant way to avoid services needing to operate, and drivers with no insurance), made to look third rate by Bury. Farnworth and Keasley have less life than Boot Hill, total ghost towns, Farnworth without even a local market anymore. The council has just spent a fortune and a couple of years at least tearing Newport Street to pieces and putting it back almost exactly the same way. Why? Student flats seem to be all the planners can come up with. All this is governed from Head Office (No 10,) is it not.

Our local politicians are just a bunch of parrots singing songsheets from the "Government". Trade deals and the "big picture" sound very "Big Brother/Animal Farm already to lots of folk around here. Never mind hey, the Royal Wedding is on T.V Saturday. That should cheer folk up.

This Insaney is reality in Bolton and District 2018. We are just another town among many outside the sound of Bow Bells.

But you are mixing up a lot of things...I mean Bolton town centre is in a bad way for a whole host of reasons, historic mainly but some current.

A host of poor decisions, but also the town centre for a long time has never had a USP. Its outdoor market poor compared to Bury's. Its indoor market a bit unique but not enough to attract visitors from outside. So as retail in general has suffered, so has the town centre here. It isn't just a Bolton problem.

The council in Bolton are clearly unable to run a bath, let alone a town. (And they should have made a better stab at running the expensive "baths" they opened decades ago that were an attraction).

But beyond all that cuts have hit all councils, especially Northern ones hard. But people vote for the Tories, who are the party of cuts, of destroying the North and letting it rot. Bizarre.

[TANGODANCER]

I'm not seeing a lot of areas to disagree about, and I already stated that Bolton is in no way unique. That said, I can only speak of the town I live in and how important any suchlike of them are in Westminster. Successive rubbish local councils, ageing properies and lack of maintenance is without doubt an undeniable factor, but at the end of it all the big finger always points at pound signs ( or claimed lack of) regardless of time.( Best not to mention history in relation to royalty politics and government, which is all a bit of a joke anyway since 1066 when French William sailed in with an army, killed the current English ruler and declared himself king, just like that.) Traditional as I am about lots of things historical, politicians and lawyers wearing fancy dress and Regency wigs in 2018? Really?

As I said earlier, in true "No shxt Sherlock" mode, it's 2018, almost a thousand years since all that, two major World Wars later, and here we are in modernity land where the young can't afford to buy houses anymore, the rail unions are threatening strikes right now because of the government cuts solutions and all the world wants to live in good old England where our politicians can't agree what day it is without an election. Little of any of it is, or will affect me, but I have kids, grandkids and even three great grandkids that it will. God help them if the country doesn't sort itself out soon .

[Hoboh]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

Don't twist words. That isn't what I said at all, is it? I said "successive governments", as whole entities. Who exactly is running the country; who makes decisions? Do you know? Does anybody know? Local councils are repeatedly being told to make cuts, services are disappearing daily because police, parks departments, libraries, traffic wardens outside of the town hall square area ( there isn't a pavement in Farnworth left that isn't cracked from cars parking wholly on them , who is going to replace them?) Our area alone has become a rat-run to the Hospital for every taxi in the area - one taxi firm alone boasting 700 cars) ) We don't have the funds to operate fully we are told as yet another Police Station closes. It doesn't take a genius to realise that internet/on-line shopping and high rents are the reason all the brand names have fled Bolton and District like rats off the Titanic. If M & S pull out we might as well all stay home. Bolton, once a proud and bustling centre of local life, is just a cheap jack and fast food empire full of charity shop[s, cars with no tax discs (another brilliant way to avoid services needing to operate, and drivers with no insurance), made to look third rate by Bury. Farnworth and Keasley have less life than Boot Hill, total ghost towns, Farnworth without even a local market anymore. The council has just spent a fortune and a couple of years at least tearing Newport Street to pieces and putting it back almost exactly the same way. Why? Student flats seem to be all the planners can come up with. All this is governed from Head Office (No 10,) is it not.

Our local politicians are just a bunch of parrots singing songsheets from the "Government". Trade deals and the "big picture" sound very "Big Brother/Animal Farm already to lots of folk around here. Never mind hey, the Royal Wedding is on T.V Saturday. That should cheer folk up.

This Insaney is reality in Bolton and District 2018. We are just another town among many outside the sound of Bow Bells.

But you are mixing up a lot of things...I mean Bolton town centre is in a bad way for a whole host of reasons, historic mainly but some current.

A host of poor decisions, but also the town centre for a long time has never had a USP. Its outdoor market poor compared to Bury's. Its indoor market a bit unique but not enough to attract visitors from outside. So as retail in general has suffered, so has the town centre here. It isn't just a Bolton problem.

The council in Bolton are clearly unable to run a bath, let alone a town. (And they should have made a better stab at running the expensive "baths" they opened decades ago that were an attraction).

But beyond all that cuts have hit all councils, especially Northern ones hard. But people vote for the Tories, who are the party of cuts, of destroying the North and letting it rot. Bizarre.

Matey, Bolton council were busy screwing things up well before any Tory cuts.
Ripping off motorists for years for car parking in the town centre, basically being (and they still are) anti car started the decline, allowing the dead legs to inhabit the town centre (and don't tell me it's a myth I've just spent a few weeks working in Knowsley street), playing up like everyone in the borough has young kids so free school breakfasts are what counts never mind pot holes, closing down a hell of a lot of the council run care homes, playing big developers (look at the latest plan for the so called £1 billion plan for, yes you've got it, Bolton TOWN CENTRE) and this is your beloved Labour at work.

[Hoboh]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

Don't twist words. That isn't what I said at all, is it? I said "successive governments", as whole entities. Who exactly is running the country; who makes decisions? Do you know? Does anybody know? Local councils are repeatedly being told to make cuts, services are disappearing daily because police, parks departments, libraries, traffic wardens outside of the town hall square area ( there isn't a pavement in Farnworth left that isn't cracked from cars parking wholly on them , who is going to replace them?) Our area alone has become a rat-run to the Hospital for every taxi in the area - one taxi firm alone boasting 700 cars) ) We don't have the funds to operate fully we are told as yet another Police Station closes. It doesn't take a genius to realise that internet/on-line shopping and high rents are the reason all the brand names have fled Bolton and District like rats off the Titanic. If M & S pull out we might as well all stay home. Bolton, once a proud and bustling centre of local life, is just a cheap jack and fast food empire full of charity shop[s, cars with no tax discs (another brilliant way to avoid services needing to operate, and drivers with no insurance), made to look third rate by Bury. Farnworth and Keasley have less life than Boot Hill, total ghost towns, Farnworth without even a local market anymore. The council has just spent a fortune and a couple of years at least tearing Newport Street to pieces and putting it back almost exactly the same way. Why? Student flats seem to be all the planners can come up with. All this is governed from Head Office (No 10,) is it not.

Our local politicians are just a bunch of parrots singing songsheets from the "Government". Trade deals and the "big picture" sound very "Big Brother/Animal Farm already to lots of folk around here. Never mind hey, the Royal Wedding is on T.V Saturday. That should cheer folk up.

This Insaney is reality in Bolton and District 2018. We are just another town among many outside the sound of Bow Bells.

You been reading the hidden Labour agenda Tango?

[Hoboh]

http://www.jrrt.org.uk/sites/jrrt.org.u ... e%20UK.pdf

[TANGODANCER]

You'll notice Hoboh, that I make no preference for any party because I'm not convinced by any of them. At one time I always voted Labour, but that was back in the days when I believed the country and people mattered to politicians and when Hedge funds were related to Parks Departments and millionaire status was top of the pile because Oligarchs were something from some distant planet out of the Eagle Comic. Each year is more confusing than the previous and the book of choice amongst potential candidates is "This is you Life" . I'm only waiting for Piers Morgan and Jeremy Kyle to fight it out for Prime Minister....

[BWFC_Insane]

Perhaps the answer is compulsory ID cards generally? Papers please.....

Isn't this to a large extent what we are heading towards? The great free-country that was Britain has been systematically xxxxxd up by a succession of inept governments whose ideas of progress are to privatise everything, shirk responsibility of why they exist and make increasing cuts on the tax payers to balance all the crock that politics has become. Amen.

Probably.

Not entirely sure your last bit is fully true. I don't think politicians are creaming money from the state. They find ways to set themselves up, but not quite how you are suggesting. We currently have a PM who is the least liberal PM in history and one who would if she could take away our freedoms in a heartbeat.

Don't twist words. That isn't what I said at all, is it? I said "successive governments", as whole entities. Who exactly is running the country; who makes decisions? Do you know? Does anybody know? Local councils are repeatedly being told to make cuts, services are disappearing daily because police, parks departments, libraries, traffic wardens outside of the town hall square area ( there isn't a pavement in Farnworth left that isn't cracked from cars parking wholly on them , who is going to replace them?) Our area alone has become a rat-run to the Hospital for every taxi in the area - one taxi firm alone boasting 700 cars) ) We don't have the funds to operate fully we are told as yet another Police Station closes. It doesn't take a genius to realise that internet/on-line shopping and high rents are the reason all the brand names have fled Bolton and District like rats off the Titanic. If M & S pull out we might as well all stay home. Bolton, once a proud and bustling centre of local life, is just a cheap jack and fast food empire full of charity shop[s, cars with no tax discs (another brilliant way to avoid services needing to operate, and drivers with no insurance), made to look third rate by Bury. Farnworth and Keasley have less life than Boot Hill, total ghost towns, Farnworth without even a local market anymore. The council has just spent a fortune and a couple of years at least tearing Newport Street to pieces and putting it back almost exactly the same way. Why? Student flats seem to be all the planners can come up with. All this is governed from Head Office (No 10,) is it not.

Our local politicians are just a bunch of parrots singing songsheets from the "Government". Trade deals and the "big picture" sound very "Big Brother/Animal Farm already to lots of folk around here. Never mind hey, the Royal Wedding is on T.V Saturday. That should cheer folk up.

This Insaney is reality in Bolton and District 2018. We are just another town among many outside the sound of Bow Bells.

But you are mixing up a lot of things...I mean Bolton town centre is in a bad way for a whole host of reasons, historic mainly but some current.

A host of poor decisions, but also the town centre for a long time has never had a USP. Its outdoor market poor compared to Bury's. Its indoor market a bit unique but not enough to attract visitors from outside. So as retail in general has suffered, so has the town centre here. It isn't just a Bolton problem.

The council in Bolton are clearly unable to run a bath, let alone a town. (And they should have made a better stab at running the expensive "baths" they opened decades ago that were an attraction).

But beyond all that cuts have hit all councils, especially Northern ones hard. But people vote for the Tories, who are the party of cuts, of destroying the North and letting it rot. Bizarre.

Matey, Bolton council were busy screwing things up well before any Tory cuts.
Ripping off motorists for years for car parking in the town centre, basically being (and they still are) anti car started the decline, allowing the dead legs to inhabit the town centre (and don't tell me it's a myth I've just spent a few weeks working in Knowsley street), playing up like everyone in the borough has young kids so free school breakfasts are what counts never mind pot holes, closing down a hell of a lot of the council run care homes, playing big developers (look at the latest plan for the so called £1 billion plan for, yes you've got it, Bolton TOWN CENTRE) and this is your beloved Labour at work.

You can park for free on a Saturday. Have been able to for a while.

And when did we have any council operated car parks? You're going back a while for that.

I don't doubt our council are useless. Most are. I don't think they are useless because they are Labour run (Bury have a Labour run council for example), they're useless because they don't have the right experience in managerial roles in the town hall. Why? Because successive governments haven't placed emphasis on local service delivery and therefore have in effect cut the role and scope of councils and their budgets. This has happened from Thatcher onwards. It has been worst since 2010 however.

However retail in town centres is dying generally. It isn't a Bolton phenomenon. We have one good thing a year and that is the food festival that brings huge footfall through the town. Apart from that why would anyone go in?

[Hoboh]

You can park for free on a Saturday. Have been able to for a while.
Saturdays are no longer the trading day they once were due to life changes, more so through the summer, the free parking covers 3 car parks and is due to end Sept 2018
And when did we have any council operated car parks? You're going back a while for that.
The council were fully aware of the pricing structure of NCP when they signed the agreement, if not it was another example of negligence. Labour PFI in action?
I don't doubt our council are useless. Most are. I don't think they are useless because they are Labour run (Bury have a Labour run council for example), they're useless because they don't have the right experience in managerial roles in the town hall. Why? Because successive governments haven't placed emphasis on local service delivery and therefore have in effect cut the role and scope of councils and their budgets. This has happened from Thatcher onwards. It has been worst since 2010 however.

However retail in town centres is dying generally. It isn't a Bolton phenomenon. We have one good thing a year and that is the food festival that brings huge footfall through the town. Apart from that why would anyone go in?
Retail in town centres isn't dying it's more the product range change that takes time, the young for example will buy clothes on line most older ones want to see/feel/try the product before buying and are not led by a bunch of fashion luvvies and why on earth would you want to cart large screen TV's, fridges, freezers etc in your car? Those thinking Amazon will storm the food market are not living in reality some of the large players have started to reduce or freeze the home delivery side, again folk like to see what they purchase not a glossy photo shopped picture.

[BWFC_Insane]

You can park for free on a Saturday. Have been able to for a while.
Saturdays are no longer the trading day they once were due to life changes, more so through the summer, the free parking covers 3 car parks and is due to end Sept 2018
And when did we have any council operated car parks? You're going back a while for that.
The council were fully aware of the pricing structure of NCP when they signed the agreement, if not it was another example of negligence. Labour PFI in action?
I don't doubt our council are useless. Most are. I don't think they are useless because they are Labour run (Bury have a Labour run council for example), they're useless because they don't have the right experience in managerial roles in the town hall. Why? Because successive governments haven't placed emphasis on local service delivery and therefore have in effect cut the role and scope of councils and their budgets. This has happened from Thatcher onwards. It has been worst since 2010 however.

However retail in town centres is dying generally. It isn't a Bolton phenomenon. We have one good thing a year and that is the food festival that brings huge footfall through the town. Apart from that why would anyone go in?
Retail in town centres isn't dying it's more the product range change that takes time, the young for example will buy clothes on line most older ones want to see/feel/try the product before buying and are not led by a bunch of fashion luvvies and why on earth would you want to cart large screen TV's, fridges, freezers etc in your car? Those thinking Amazon will storm the food market are not living in reality some of the large players have started to reduce or freeze the home delivery side, again folk like to see what they purchase not a glossy photo shopped picture.

Retail in town centres isn't dying? I'm sorry but that is absolutely wrong. Absolutely loads of evidence suggests otherwise.

It isn't just online. It is out of town shopping, things like the Trafford centre and of course ever increasing ranges in supermarkets.

[Hoboh]

You can park for free on a Saturday. Have been able to for a while.
Saturdays are no longer the trading day they once were due to life changes, more so through the summer, the free parking covers 3 car parks and is due to end Sept 2018
And when did we have any council operated car parks? You're going back a while for that.
The council were fully aware of the pricing structure of NCP when they signed the agreement, if not it was another example of negligence. Labour PFI in action?
I don't doubt our council are useless. Most are. I don't think they are useless because they are Labour run (Bury have a Labour run council for example), they're useless because they don't have the right experience in managerial roles in the town hall. Why? Because successive governments haven't placed emphasis on local service delivery and therefore have in effect cut the role and scope of councils and their budgets. This has happened from Thatcher onwards. It has been worst since 2010 however.

However retail in town centres is dying generally. It isn't a Bolton phenomenon. We have one good thing a year and that is the food festival that brings huge footfall through the town. Apart from that why would anyone go in?
Retail in town centres isn't dying it's more the product range change that takes time, the young for example will buy clothes on line most older ones want to see/feel/try the product before buying and are not led by a bunch of fashion luvvies and why on earth would you want to cart large screen TV's, fridges, freezers etc in your car? Those thinking Amazon will storm the food market are not living in reality some of the large players have started to reduce or freeze the home delivery side, again folk like to see what they purchase not a glossy photo shopped picture.

Retail in town centres isn't dying? I'm sorry but that is absolutely wrong. Absolutely loads of evidence suggests otherwise.

It isn't just online. It is out of town shopping, things like the Trafford centre and of course ever increasing ranges in supermarkets.

The problem is access you elude to that in your own post! Town centres spent years keeping traffic out which was plain daft, centres that are holding their own (Bury) were not so short sighted, business rates didn't help either.
Retail isn't dying at all, the problem is the size of the range of products on offer spreads a not infinite amount of cash to thinly, the best will do ok and pound shop Bolton ain't that by any stretch.

[TANGODANCER]

I can't see any of it getting better till we have a government that actually governs. In that, we're no different than most of England outside of Harry and Megan-ville. The "Seat of Government" probably aptly describe what most politicians do best.

[Harry Genshaw]

Bury had the advantage of being a small town with a thriving market. In effect all they've done is built a retail park on the edge of the town centre. All the shops at the other side of town, Bolton Street, the parade near the interchange are struggling like any other town centre.

I went in Bolton on Monday for the 2nd time in the last 12 months. I've never been to the Trafford centre. There's just no need to

[Hoboh]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

Everything she has outlined is eminently sensible unless you are some frothing at the mouth, slack-jawed extreme nut job.

Ending indefinite detention is without a shadow of a doubt the right thing to do.

Having spent an extensive amount of time a couple of years back dealing with the appalling conditions people were kept in, in detention centres and the absolutely disgusting way they were treated closing them isn't just a good step it is absolutely imperative.

Why don't you just do the rest of society a favour and move to Russia or Saudi Arabia? They don't care much for human rights in either country and as you don't, you'll enjoy it.

[bedwetter2]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

Everything she has outlined is eminently sensible unless you are some frothing at the mouth, slack-jawed extreme nut job.

Ending indefinite detention is without a shadow of a doubt the right thing to do.

Having spent an extensive amount of time a couple of years back dealing with the appalling conditions people were kept in, in detention centres and the absolutely disgusting way they were treated closing them isn't just a good step it is absolutely imperative.

Why don't you just do the rest of society a favour and move to Russia or Saudi Arabia? They don't care much for human rights in either country and as you don't, you'll enjoy it.

Who gave permission for illegal immigrants to come here? No one. They have illegally entered the country and Corbyn's fat slug, by making such statements, is actually encouraging more to try their luck.

It's a good thing that Britain has an elastic coastline, isn't it? Otherwise we may get a bit more pushed for space than we already are.
Of course the nature of Britain has changed very significantly even during the last twenty years. One thing is certain, the insatiable appetite of socialists to spend other people's money is unchanged.

When you go shopping in your local souk just ponder on the logical end to your views. You should p*ss off to Venezuela. Maduro has found a unique way to reduce their excessive population by encouraging the less gullible to leave for pastures new. It's called emigrating.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'd fall about laughing but the Marxist party's latest idea spouted by that brain of Britain, Diane (I once was the leaders bit of rough) Abbott is far from funny.
Basically they are waving the white flag over illegal immigration and offering legal aid to them to stop any deportation, planning to change all the rules as well.
This country is going rapidly down hill brought on by the actions of folk like this and it's getting too late to change.
Never thought I'd say it but we need a Putin type to sort out all this PC crap, sack some Judge's, lock up lawyers and exterminate criminals.

Everything she has outlined is eminently sensible unless you are some frothing at the mouth, slack-jawed extreme nut job.

Ending indefinite detention is without a shadow of a doubt the right thing to do.

Having spent an extensive amount of time a couple of years back dealing with the appalling conditions people were kept in, in detention centres and the absolutely disgusting way they were treated closing them isn't just a good step it is absolutely imperative.

Why don't you just do the rest of society a favour and move to Russia or Saudi Arabia? They don't care much for human rights in either country and as you don't, you'll enjoy it.

Who gave permission for illegal immigrants to come here? No one. They have illegally entered the country and Corbyn's fat slug, by making such statements, is actually encouraging more to try their luck.

It's a good thing that Britain has an elastic coastline, isn't it? Otherwise we may get a bit more pushed for space than we already are.
Of course the nature of Britain has changed very significantly even during the last twenty years. One thing is certain, the insatiable appetite of socialists to spend other people's money is unchanged.

When you go shopping in your local souk just ponder on the logical end to your views. You should p*ss off to Venezuela. Maduro has found a unique way to reduce their excessive population by encouraging the less gullible to leave for pastures new. It's called emigrating.

Oh piss off. The logical end to indefinite detention and treating human beings like vermin is holocaust and Nazi Germany. The appetite of people like you for that very scenario is astounding.

There is a gulf of difference between just letting anyone in and granting indefinite stay and not splitting up families and detaining people indefinitely in inhumane and appalling conditions and treating the exercise as a targets driven numbers game.

I suggest, before you spout more absolute nonsense you go and speak to the families who were arbitrarily split up for years because one parent wasn't allowed entry, or young women who've been detained in places like yarl's wood. If you had any empathy for fellow human beings you would entirely change your tune. This isn't about allowing unfettered immigration. Its about acting with decency towards other human beings. There literally is no excuses.