Reconstruction time again: the summer 2018 transfer thread

[BWFC_Insane]

Taylor had injury problems last year. The year before he was a serious POTY candidate.

People vastly underestimate him.

That's fine and I tend to agree with you, but it remains true that he's always struggled against pace. He's now 32, in a position that doesn't usually favour veterans unless they are exceptional athletes - Taylor isn't one.

I've no issue with him being an important squad player for us, but I'd rather than a better player in there and (as some others have said) I'd ideally like someone younger with a bit of pace to them. Easier to say that than find a decent left back, though.

It is worth noting that Grounds was behind Taylor in the pecking order at Boro when they were younger. When Grounds moved on it was to League One. So at that point, Taylor was certainly regarded as the better player. That was back when the Boro academy couldn't stop producing solid footballing talent.

I get what you mean but just sticking a quick LB in who struggles to defend in general doesn't answer anything. Robinson struggled in the air most of the season and at times a huge weakness was teams loading the back post up.

We definitely need a LB, but I'm unconvinced just any youngster who can run fits with what we're building. Primarily the most important asset for any LB WE sign is an ability to defend. If they haven't got that then scratch them off the list.

Last year with an intention to often play 3 at the back it was different.

Same with Mark Little. As much as he's good going forward he cannot defend. Cast your mind back to the Notts Forest game, their second goal (could and should have been terminal) came entirely through the fault of Little and his inability to defend a very basic situation.

[mullayo]

in even less related news. Does anyone know what's up with DSB?
Haven't heard from him in maybe a month?

[GhostoftheBok]

I get what you mean but just sticking a quick LB in who struggles to defend in general doesn't answer anything. Robinson struggled in the air most of the season and at times a huge weakness was teams loading the back post up.

We definitely need a LB, but I'm unconvinced just any youngster who can run fits with what we're building. Primarily the most important asset for any LB WE sign is an ability to defend. If they haven't got that then scratch them off the list.

Last year with an intention to often play 3 at the back it was different.

Same with Mark Little. As much as he's good going forward he cannot defend. Cast your mind back to the Notts Forest game, their second goal (could and should have been terminal) came entirely through the fault of Little and his inability to defend a very basic situation.

I agree that we need someone who can defend. More than that, we need someone who can work as part of an organised back four, rather than just can head and tackle. Along with that, ideally I'd like a younger player with pace. Like I said, hen's teeth.

Iles has just thrown out Chuks Aneke as a possibility. I'd love that to happen.

[mullayo]

Iles has just thrown out Chuks Aneke as a possibility. I'd love that to happen.

Cool name. Good player is he?
Got a striker's scoring record (34 goals 22 assists in 129 League One games) from the midfield. Young, tall and athletic looking.
Good work lucky coin!

[GhostoftheBok]

Cool name. Good player is he?
Got a striker's scoring record (34 goals 22 assists in 129 League One games) from the midfield. Young, tall and athletic looking.
Good work lucky coin!

Inconsistent, but on his day he's unplayable. I think he's the sort of player Parky could improve a lot. Reminds me a lot of Sammy.

[Prufrock]

Taylor had injury problems last year. The year before he was a serious POTY candidate.

People vastly underestimate him.

That's fine and I tend to agree with you, but it remains true that he's always struggled against pace. He's now 32, in a position that doesn't usually favour veterans unless they are exceptional athletes - Taylor isn't one.

I've no issue with him being an important squad player for us, but I'd rather than a better player in there and (as some others have said) I'd ideally like someone younger with a bit of pace to them. Easier to say that than find a decent left back, though.

It is worth noting that Grounds was behind Taylor in the pecking order at Boro when they were younger. When Grounds moved on it was to League One. So at that point, Taylor was certainly regarded as the better player. That was back when the Boro academy couldn't stop producing solid footballing talent.

I'm a big fan as well, think he's underrated and a comfortable championship player. The problem isn't Taylor, it's Taylor alongside Beevers alongside Wheater. Certain times that will be fine, but there will be times where we get done for pace and none of those three is getting close to getting back.

I also think that going forward we're very solid through the middle but obviously don't have that £5m player to unlock teams. So we need pace and power through the team wherever possible. Another Taylor type just seems like a missed opportunity to me.

[BWFC_Insane]

Taylor had injury problems last year. The year before he was a serious POTY candidate.

People vastly underestimate him.

That's fine and I tend to agree with you, but it remains true that he's always struggled against pace. He's now 32, in a position that doesn't usually favour veterans unless they are exceptional athletes - Taylor isn't one.

I've no issue with him being an important squad player for us, but I'd rather than a better player in there and (as some others have said) I'd ideally like someone younger with a bit of pace to them. Easier to say that than find a decent left back, though.

It is worth noting that Grounds was behind Taylor in the pecking order at Boro when they were younger. When Grounds moved on it was to League One. So at that point, Taylor was certainly regarded as the better player. That was back when the Boro academy couldn't stop producing solid footballing talent.

I'm a big fan as well, think he's underrated and a comfortable championship player. The problem isn't Taylor, it's Taylor alongside Beevers alongside Wheater. Certain times that will be fine, but there will be times where we get done for pace and none of those three is getting close to getting back.

I also think that going forward we're very solid through the middle but obviously don't have that £5m player to unlock teams. So we need pace and power through the team wherever possible. Another Taylor type just seems like a missed opportunity to me.

I agree with the fact that some pace at the back would be useful. However, who is to say at home we won't draw teams on then hit them with Ameobi, Wildhschut, Magennis, Donaldson etc...

I think we're better balanced. I'd ideally like some pace at the back, though I'd question whether we're likely to find a solid citizen who is also quick. And I sense Parky wants a solid team rather than worrying about a left back getting forward. We should have far more to hurt teams with this year than last. In theory at least.

[GhostoftheBok]

I'm a big fan as well, think he's underrated and a comfortable championship player. The problem isn't Taylor, it's Taylor alongside Beevers alongside Wheater. Certain times that will be fine, but there will be times where we get done for pace and none of those three is getting close to getting back.

I also think that going forward we're very solid through the middle but obviously don't have that £5m player to unlock teams. So we need pace and power through the team wherever possible. Another Taylor type just seems like a missed opportunity to me.

Another side of the Grounds thing, for me, is that I rate Parky as a manager who can improve players. Grounds is a solid player and I won't have any issue if we bring him in, but Parky isn't going to make him better. I'd like to see us bring in one or two more that PP can improve and potentially turn into top players at this level. Magennis and Wildschut are clearly Parky's types - good physical attributes, decent work rate etc. He did good work with Robinson, I'd like to see him do the same for a left back we own.

I'd also give my right arm to see what he could do with Aneke, but there you go.

[mullayo]

I'd also give my right arm to see what he could do with Aneke, but there you go.

You sound well smitten Ghost. Surprised you haven't mentioned him earlier.
I'll give my magic coin a rub and see what happens!

[mullayo]

LOVS has Greg Halford in their rumours.
Doubt it we have 4 centrebacks unless we sell Beevers.
He's free but he's 33 and clubless/not fit.

Last year on deadline day we only signed Craig Noone, so I expect better today.

[BWFC_Insane]

Pretty certain we'll not sign anyone today, there'll be a huge twitter meltdown but we'll do the rest of our business in the loan market. Garner could well be a loan. We'll loan a keeper and a left back.

That will get us to January then we can re-assess.

Frankly I'm unconvinced in signing 30 year olds permanently. Like Ghost says Parky won't improve Garner or Grounds so why risk the cost of having them permie on the books? No sense to it.

Aneke (who I know nothing about) would make sense but I've read our bid from last week was rejected and we won't be going back in.

Signings need to be the Magennis type where some good coaching and improvements leaves us with a significant potential of profit. Nothing screams that we are particularly desperate today and even if we were the money is so precious we can't force other club's hands.

[GhostoftheBok]

I'd also give my right arm to see what he could do with Aneke, but there you go.

You sound well smitten Ghost. Surprised you haven't mentioned him earlier.

I liked him at Arsenal, but there were issues that held him back and he's dropped down the leagues (including playing in Belgium). I think he's got what it takes to be a top player in the Championship, he just needs the right platform and the right manager. He uses his body well, his technical game is excellent and he sees passes. If he can stay fit and has a manager who will develop him then he can go from a good lower league player to a proper match winner. He's improved each season since he moved on from the Gunners and I think he's ready to step up.

[GhostoftheBok]

Aneke (who I know nothing about) would make sense but I've read our bid from last week was rejected and we won't be going back in.

I'll put the champagne back in the cooler

[jmjhb]

Taking about pacy leftbacks, it looks like that Dasilva from Chelsea is going on loan to Bristol City

[BWFC_Insane]

Aneke (who I know nothing about) would make sense but I've read our bid from last week was rejected and we won't be going back in.

I'll put the champagne back in the cooler

It was a random twitter account claiming to be a former agent who tweeted it last night. Thought it was nonsense but then with Iles confirming interest this morning....

Anyhow the tweet claimed we'd revisit in January as we couldn't agree a few now.

[BWFC_Insane]

Garner very unlikely today according to the Ipswich end. They have to sign Windass first and that is a tricky deal as Rangers want him for tonight's game.

Two other championship clubs also in for Garner.

I'd say its highly highly unlikely.

[mullayo]

Pretty certain we'll not sign anyone today, there'll be a huge twitter meltdown but we'll do the rest of our business in the loan market. Garner could well be a loan. We'll loan a keeper and a left back.

That will get us to January then we can re-assess.

Frankly I'm unconvinced in signing 30 year olds permanently. Like Ghost says Parky won't improve Garner or Grounds so why risk the cost of having them permie on the books? No sense to it.

Aneke (who I know nothing about) would make sense but I've read our bid from last week was rejected and we won't be going back in.

Signings need to be the Magennis type where some good coaching and improvements leaves us with a significant potential of profit. Nothing screams that we are particularly desperate today and even if we were the money is so precious we can't force other club's hands.

Agree I don't see the point in paying for Garner. He's not an asset.
Just loan and pay part of his wages.
All care, no responsibility and $500k still in the coffers.

[mullayo]

Taking about pacy leftbacks, it looks like that Dasilva from Chelsea is going on loan to Bristol City

Forgot to post that one. The good news is we'll still see him playing at the Uni on the weekend?

[mullayo]

Garner very unlikely today according to the Ipswich end. They have to sign Windass first and that is a tricky deal as Rangers want him for tonight's game.

Two other championship clubs also in for Garner.

I'd say its highly highly unlikely.

Good news for me. Drag on all day and tomorrow we loan him.
I think he's viewed as a right wing in the attacking 4-3-3 maybe Garner -Ozzy--Donaldson?

[BWFC_Insane]

Garner very unlikely today according to the Ipswich end. They have to sign Windass first and that is a tricky deal as Rangers want him for tonight's game.

Two other championship clubs also in for Garner.

I'd say its highly highly unlikely.

Good news for me. Drag on all day and tomorrow we loan him.
I think he's viewed as a right wing in the attacking 4-3-3 maybe Garner -Ozzy--Donaldson?

Way Ipswich are talking, he might not be a loan either if they don't sign Windass.