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Probably from the branch of youth that would paint over murals in Southampton Uni because it didn't suit their ideals, you know, the real fascists and Nazi's.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:13 pmI see some real tough guy Farnworth knxb heads have savaged and twisted up a sculpture to the dead of the First World War. Bet they felt real pleased with themselves. Will they be caught? Highly unlikely, and if they are, what will they get as punishment? Probably get blamed on their poor and underprivelliged upbringing. They need a lesson they'll remember not a joke punishment delivering leaflets.... always supposing they ever do get caught. Morons.....
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Just discovered that the Christmas advert by Iceland has been banned!
Why? Because it is too political. It depicts the suffering of orang-utans through the destruction of the rainforests because of palm oil plantations. Absolutely outfxckinrageous!
By the way, the advert can still be seen on Youtube, just put in Iceland Christmas advert 2018.
Clearcast (who approves or rejects adverts for broadcast) can fxck right off...
Why? Because it is too political. It depicts the suffering of orang-utans through the destruction of the rainforests because of palm oil plantations. Absolutely outfxckinrageous!
By the way, the advert can still be seen on Youtube, just put in Iceland Christmas advert 2018.
Clearcast (who approves or rejects adverts for broadcast) can fxck right off...
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How is pointing out a factual world problem "too political"?Lost Leopard Spot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:56 pmJust discovered that the Christmas advert by Iceland has been banned!
Why? Because it is too political. It depicts the suffering of orang-utans through the destruction of the rainforests because of palm oil plantations. Absolutely outfxckinrageous!
By the way, the advert can still be seen on Youtube, just put in Iceland Christmas advert 2018.
Clearcast (who approves or rejects adverts for broadcast) can fxck right off...
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Well, precisely.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:51 amHow is pointing out a factual world problem "too political"?Lost Leopard Spot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 1:56 pmJust discovered that the Christmas advert by Iceland has been banned!
Why? Because it is too political. It depicts the suffering of orang-utans through the destruction of the rainforests because of palm oil plantations. Absolutely outfxckinrageous!
By the way, the advert can still be seen on Youtube, just put in Iceland Christmas advert 2018.
Clearcast (who approves or rejects adverts for broadcast) can fxck right off...
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Because it was made by a body whose aims are mainly or wholly political (Greenpeace).
I think it's fine, broadly. It's an odd result here, but the broadcast rules broadly do their job and are why we don't have Fox News et al. They're draconian in isolation, but the best way to protect viewers.
Where there is the odd esoteric case like this, suddenly it's viral on the internet and more people have seen it and care about it than if it had just been on TV. Overall result seems fine to me.
I think it's fine, broadly. It's an odd result here, but the broadcast rules broadly do their job and are why we don't have Fox News et al. They're draconian in isolation, but the best way to protect viewers.
Where there is the odd esoteric case like this, suddenly it's viral on the internet and more people have seen it and care about it than if it had just been on TV. Overall result seems fine to me.
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I would dispute that claim. Personally. Unless you use the modern very distorted definition of "politics".Prufrock wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:34 pmBecause it was made by a body whose aims are mainly or wholly political (Greenpeace).
I think it's fine, broadly. It's an odd result here, but the broadcast rules broadly do their job and are why we don't have Fox News et al. They're draconian in isolation, but the best way to protect viewers.
Where there is the odd esoteric case like this, suddenly it's viral on the internet and more people have seen it and care about it than if it had just been on TV. Overall result seems fine to me.
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Greenpeace's aims are not mainly or wholly Political. Not unless you have the same mindset of the Wankers who sank their ship - which you have in spades.Prufrock wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:34 pmBecause it was made by a body whose aims are mainly or wholly political (Greenpeace).
I think it's fine, broadly. It's an odd result here, but the broadcast rules broadly do their job and are why we don't have Fox News et al. They're draconian in isolation, but the best way to protect viewers.
Where there is the odd esoteric case like this, suddenly it's viral on the internet and more people have seen it and care about it than if it had just been on TV. Overall result seems fine to me.
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I must say it seems blindingly obvious to me that Greenpeace are a political organisation.
Not party political, or parliamentary political, bit definitely political.
I also think their work and aims are clearly good and worthy, but the point of these rules is that there is no judgement about the worth of this kind of thing. There's no place for political advertising on broadcast media. There certainly is in the press, save online, where the advert is doing very well and good for it.
Not party political, or parliamentary political, bit definitely political.
I also think their work and aims are clearly good and worthy, but the point of these rules is that there is no judgement about the worth of this kind of thing. There's no place for political advertising on broadcast media. There certainly is in the press, save online, where the advert is doing very well and good for it.
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Why do you think it’s political? I’d say the are campaigners and lobbyists for an environmental cause. But the cancer charities are the same for funding cancer research, treatments and nurses etc....but they are allowed ads.....Prufrock wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:56 pmI must say it seems blindingly obvious to me that Greenpeace are a political organisation.
Not party political, or parliamentary political, bit definitely political.
I also think their work and aims are clearly good and worthy, but the point of these rules is that there is no judgement about the worth of this kind of thing. There's no place for political advertising on broadcast media. There certainly is in the press, save online, where the advert is doing very well and good for it.
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Think of it in terms of policy. Greenpeace try to effect policy. They hope to pressure governments into taking action on environmental issues. They might also want to pressure the public/private bodies to take action but hence "wholly or mainly" (and even that is arguably political in that it relates to civic life).
Cancer research, say, on the other hand, are trying to raise money for cancer research. There's no policy in that. I wouldn't be surprised if they do bits here and there that are political but certainly their whole or main aims are simply fundraising. On the other hand, an NHS pressure group, whilst in the same broader sphere (and probably about as popular with the general public) would be political and so not allowed in broadcast media.
Cancer research, say, on the other hand, are trying to raise money for cancer research. There's no policy in that. I wouldn't be surprised if they do bits here and there that are political but certainly their whole or main aims are simply fundraising. On the other hand, an NHS pressure group, whilst in the same broader sphere (and probably about as popular with the general public) would be political and so not allowed in broadcast media.
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Cancer Research is one small part of Cancer Charities. Most Cancer Charities have been opposed to Big Tobacco since the 1950s. Without Cancer Charities advertising during the long decades since I was born, cigarette ads would still be on TV, cig packets would still show jolly naval heroes rather than pictures of blackened lungs. And yes, anti-smoking adverts have been broadcast by cancer charities...Prufrock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 amThink of it in terms of policy. Greenpeace try to effect policy. They hope to pressure governments into taking action on environmental issues. They might also want to pressure the public/private bodies to take action but hence "wholly or mainly" (and even that is arguably political in that it relates to civic life).
Cancer research, say, on the other hand, are trying to raise money for cancer research. There's no policy in that. I wouldn't be surprised if they do bits here and there that are political but certainly their whole or main aims are simply fundraising. On the other hand, an NHS pressure group, whilst in the same broader sphere (and probably about as popular with the general public) would be political and so not allowed in broadcast media.
In fact your entire argument is wrong, all advertising is directed towards changing people's habits. Peoples' habits directly influence government policies, therefore All adverts are aimed at changing Policy. Therefore All Adverts are Political. All Adverts Should Be Banned, by your logic.
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Yep - agree with this. To me political ads mean ones that directly speak to party politics. If an ad isn't allowed to tackle an issue then I think you can ban an awful lot of them on the grounds of being "political".Lost Leopard Spot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:33 pmCancer Research is one small part of Cancer Charities. Most Cancer Charities have been opposed to Big Tobacco since the 1950s. Without Cancer Charities advertising during the long decades since I was born, cigarette ads would still be on TV, cig packets would still show jolly naval heroes rather than pictures of blackened lungs. And yes, anti-smoking adverts have been broadcast by cancer charities...Prufrock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 amThink of it in terms of policy. Greenpeace try to effect policy. They hope to pressure governments into taking action on environmental issues. They might also want to pressure the public/private bodies to take action but hence "wholly or mainly" (and even that is arguably political in that it relates to civic life).
Cancer research, say, on the other hand, are trying to raise money for cancer research. There's no policy in that. I wouldn't be surprised if they do bits here and there that are political but certainly their whole or main aims are simply fundraising. On the other hand, an NHS pressure group, whilst in the same broader sphere (and probably about as popular with the general public) would be political and so not allowed in broadcast media.
In fact your entire argument is wrong, all advertising is directed towards changing people's habits. Peoples' habits directly influence government policies, therefore All adverts are aimed at changing Policy. Therefore All Adverts are Political. All Adverts Should Be Banned, by your logic.
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I think the polite word for that is a "stretch" !Lost Leopard Spot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:33 pmCancer Research is one small part of Cancer Charities. Most Cancer Charities have been opposed to Big Tobacco since the 1950s. Without Cancer Charities advertising during the long decades since I was born, cigarette ads would still be on TV, cig packets would still show jolly naval heroes rather than pictures of blackened lungs. And yes, anti-smoking adverts have been broadcast by cancer charities...Prufrock wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:51 amThink of it in terms of policy. Greenpeace try to effect policy. They hope to pressure governments into taking action on environmental issues. They might also want to pressure the public/private bodies to take action but hence "wholly or mainly" (and even that is arguably political in that it relates to civic life).
Cancer research, say, on the other hand, are trying to raise money for cancer research. There's no policy in that. I wouldn't be surprised if they do bits here and there that are political but certainly their whole or main aims are simply fundraising. On the other hand, an NHS pressure group, whilst in the same broader sphere (and probably about as popular with the general public) would be political and so not allowed in broadcast media.
In fact your entire argument is wrong, all advertising is directed towards changing people's habits. Peoples' habits directly influence government policies, therefore All adverts are aimed at changing Policy. Therefore All Adverts are Political. All Adverts Should Be Banned, by your logic.
The aims/motives relate to the oranisation not the advert. So an advert by an organisation that aimed to ban smoking wouldn't be allowed.
I can see there are arguments for allowing an ad like this, but I think they are outweighed by the broader aim of preventing political organisations (even if I agree with them as I do here) from advertising on broadcast media. Particularly it our world of "fake news" where the line between news and commentary is blurred. Broadcast media is kept as "neutral zone".
So while I can see arguments that an ad like this *should* be allowed, i.e. the rules should be changed, I disagree. But my initial point was that under the rules as they are this was the correct decision.
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The aims/motives relate to an organisation?
Really. The advert is by and on behalf of Iceland. A food retailer.
On your argument, as an individual I could pay for an advert relating to any subject I like, including one on how shit Polish coal burns in my wood burner.
Bollox.
Really. The advert is by and on behalf of Iceland. A food retailer.
On your argument, as an individual I could pay for an advert relating to any subject I like, including one on how shit Polish coal burns in my wood burner.
Bollox.
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Apropos of not much and outside it all, poor old David the chimp gets beaten to death by two of his own kind. All life is a jungle, not just the bits with greenery.
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Hoboh wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 4:45 pmProbably from the branch of youth that would paint over murals in Southampton Uni because it didn't suit their ideals, you know, the real fascists and Nazi's.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:13 pmI see some real tough guy Farnworth knxb heads have savaged and twisted up a sculpture to the dead of the First World War. Bet they felt real pleased with themselves. Will they be caught? Highly unlikely, and if they are, what will they get as punishment? Probably get blamed on their poor and underprivelliged upbringing. They need a lesson they'll remember not a joke punishment delivering leaflets.... always supposing they ever do get caught. Morons.....
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Well Emily Dawes (described by herself as a feminist activist) has finally 'fallen on her sword' (before she was pushed) after an online petition was signed by more than 21,000 people. I don't like all this pitchfork waving witch hunts that happens online but I will make an exception for this horrible, ignorant cow. Am I allowed to say that or am I being a woman hating misogynist?
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I mean but that's exactly f*cking it though, isn't it? Everyone is against pitchfork mobs until it's a pitchfork mob they agree with.
She's a bit of a nice person, clearly hadn't thought it through, has apologised. Isn't the world we want where that's enough?
She's a bit of a nice person, clearly hadn't thought it through, has apologised. Isn't the world we want where that's enough?
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Mmm like most of the crap people of a certain age connected with Uni's don't think through maybe?Prufrock wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:53 pmI mean but that's exactly f*cking it though, isn't it? Everyone is against pitchfork mobs until it's a pitchfork mob they agree with.
She's a bit of a nice person, clearly hadn't thought it through, has apologised. Isn't the world we want where that's enough?
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Cancer charities don't turn up at Military port bases and throw shit at soldiers for a startBWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:40 amWhy do you think it’s political? I’d say the are campaigners and lobbyists for an environmental cause. But the cancer charities are the same for funding cancer research, treatments and nurses etc....but they are allowed ads.....Prufrock wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:56 pmI must say it seems blindingly obvious to me that Greenpeace are a political organisation.
Not party political, or parliamentary political, bit definitely political.
I also think their work and aims are clearly good and worthy, but the point of these rules is that there is no judgement about the worth of this kind of thing. There's no place for political advertising on broadcast media. There certainly is in the press, save online, where the advert is doing very well and good for it.
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That doesn't make them political. Greenpeace probably don't buy ridiculously expensive equipment with donation money and use it to contract out private research.........does that make some cancer charities "political"?boltonboris wrote: ↑Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:30 pmCancer charities don't turn up at Military port bases and throw shit at soldiers for a startBWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:40 amWhy do you think it’s political? I’d say the are campaigners and lobbyists for an environmental cause. But the cancer charities are the same for funding cancer research, treatments and nurses etc....but they are allowed ads.....Prufrock wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 11:56 pmI must say it seems blindingly obvious to me that Greenpeace are a political organisation.
Not party political, or parliamentary political, bit definitely political.
I also think their work and aims are clearly good and worthy, but the point of these rules is that there is no judgement about the worth of this kind of thing. There's no place for political advertising on broadcast media. There certainly is in the press, save online, where the advert is doing very well and good for it.
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