Should Phil Parkinson be sacked?

[BWFC_Insane]

I read in the BEN that Parky hasn't been paid his bonuses from last season... and that the players had to stand on the train to Millwall....
This is like a 1980s throwback

The story is now online about the management not being paid their bonuses for last season.
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ety-bonus/

As Iles tweeted, that's not about 'cashflow'. That's about corner-cutting and Ken trying to get away with stiffing anybody he thinks he can, from the caterers to the players who've left to the poor stupid bloody manager who somehow managed to corral us to safety last season but is too honest and nice to call his gaffer out on it.

One other thing: I know it's hard to rally sympathy for the footballing classes, and I suspect that part of the perceptual problem is the word 'bonuses'. Most working folk don't get them, so many assume they're extravagant extras for the City (and Man City) types. But these are contractual rewards for jobs well done, often decried by the same terrace ht-heads who say players shouldn't be paid if they lose. I'm well aware that a Karl Henry or a Phil Parkinson makes more money than most but he deserves to be paid what he's been pledged.

Again, it comes down to a simple two-option reading: either our chairman is shafting as many people as possible - including the ones who do the jobs he asks - or we are really truly terrifyingly skint. All the last-minute chicanery around winding-up orders has somehow heightened this idea of Ken the wheeler-dealer, but things like this make me ever surer that he's nowhere near as in control of this thing as he likes to make out. He seemed to give up the night before the last court date, and it was left to poor old Parky to find an answer. Whether or not he's a good enough manager for now, he deserves better than this.

We are truly and terrifyingly skint!

[TANGODANCER]

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Is K.A. (the owner of Bolton Wanderers F.C. ) also truly and terrifyingly skint? Is he holding off paying his own and family salaries and bonuses in line with the rest of the empoyees? Just wondered?

[jimbo]

I guess this finally confirms that we have no money to sack him then, given we can’t afford to pay the coaching staff for work they’ve already done. We really are a shit show of a club. We’re going to be absolutely bottom of the pile when players are choosing who to sign for, or when clubs are considering where to send people on loan, and who can blame them?

[BWFC_Insane]

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Is K.A. (the owner of Bolton Wanderers F.C. ) also truly and terrifyingly skint? Is he holding off paying his own and family salaries and bonuses in line with the rest of the empoyees? Just wondered?

I have no idea. But remember that you can be a very rich man by most standards - but still not rich enough to realistically run a loss making football club.

Lets say Anderson's wealth is £5M. (it could be anything but we know he's not ED levels of wealth). One year's losses for the club is projected to be somewhere between 3 and 5M. So if Anderson is to cover that potentially he has to bankrupt himself.

The thing is whether he's got money or not, he's made it abundantly clear that he's not investing it. So we are where we are. You aren't going to force him to do it, and ultimately at any point if it comes to it, he can put the club into administration and walk away. He won't have lost anything other than time and we assume he's compensated himself for that already.

I do not think he's some machiavellian villain who's trying to destroy our club. He came in, saw a way to cut costs, hopefully get some results for little to no investment and then sell on. Clearly the problems behind the scenes were bigger than he imagined and the interest from other buyers less than he imagined. He's kept us going on fumes - but we did need to keep going. Its got to the point where either someone comes and buys it or we will go under. Ken is reportedly stepping up his efforts (ie reducing his price) to sell the club. But there aren't many in a rush to buy football clubs at our level. You don't need to look hard to find a dozen or more, many better placed, in similar positions, seeking buyers. Its a buyers market.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I guess this finally confirms that we have no money to sack him then, given we can’t afford to pay the coaching staff for work they’ve already done.

Au contraire. If we ain't paying 'em for (over)achieving, I have no doubt Ken will be happy to turf them for underachieving and let them join the creditors' queue outside the courthouse. But...

We really are a shit show of a club. We’re going to be absolutely bottom of the pile when players are choosing who to sign for, or when clubs are considering where to send people on loan, and who can blame them?

Players, loaning clubs... and potential managers. There'll always be enough who'd fancy the challenge of saving a doomed team - although whether they'd be good enough is wide open to doubt - but the field narrows severely when you subtract all those who wouldn't do it for no guarantee of payment.

[BWFC_Insane]

I guess this finally confirms that we have no money to sack him then, given we can’t afford to pay the coaching staff for work they’ve already done.

Au contraire. If we ain't paying 'em for (over)achieving, I have no doubt Ken will be happy to turf them for underachieving and let them join the creditors' queue outside the courthouse. But...

We really are a shit show of a club. We’re going to be absolutely bottom of the pile when players are choosing who to sign for, or when clubs are considering where to send people on loan, and who can blame them?

Players, loaning clubs... and potential managers. There'll always be enough who'd fancy the challenge of saving a doomed team - although whether they'd be good enough is wide open to doubt - but the field narrows severely when you subtract all those who wouldn't do it for no guarantee of payment.

Trust me - Ken is sacking Parky. Not a chance on this earth of that happening.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I guess this finally confirms that we have no money to sack him then, given we can’t afford to pay the coaching staff for work they’ve already done.

Au contraire. If we ain't paying 'em for (over)achieving, I have no doubt Ken will be happy to turf them for underachieving and let them join the creditors' queue outside the courthouse. But...

We really are a shit show of a club. We’re going to be absolutely bottom of the pile when players are choosing who to sign for, or when clubs are considering where to send people on loan, and who can blame them?

Players, loaning clubs... and potential managers. There'll always be enough who'd fancy the challenge of saving a doomed team - although whether they'd be good enough is wide open to doubt - but the field narrows severely when you subtract all those who wouldn't do it for no guarantee of payment.

Trust me - Ken is sacking Parky. Not a chance on this earth of that happening.

Assuming you mean the second of your apparently contradictory statements (I'm guessing you missed a not in the first), I fully agree. Ken knows he won't find a better combination of patsy, miracle worker and scapegoat.

Except if, just maybe if, Ken decides he's better served throwing Parky (and staff) under the bus to save himself.

[BWFC_Insane]

I guess this finally confirms that we have no money to sack him then, given we can’t afford to pay the coaching staff for work they’ve already done.

Au contraire. If we ain't paying 'em for (over)achieving, I have no doubt Ken will be happy to turf them for underachieving and let them join the creditors' queue outside the courthouse. But...

We really are a shit show of a club. We’re going to be absolutely bottom of the pile when players are choosing who to sign for, or when clubs are considering where to send people on loan, and who can blame them?

Players, loaning clubs... and potential managers. There'll always be enough who'd fancy the challenge of saving a doomed team - although whether they'd be good enough is wide open to doubt - but the field narrows severely when you subtract all those who wouldn't do it for no guarantee of payment.

Trust me - Ken is sacking Parky. Not a chance on this earth of that happening.

Assuming you mean the second of your apparently contradictory statements (I'm guessing you missed a not in the first), I fully agree. Ken knows he won't find a better combination of patsy, miracle worker and scapegoat.

Except if, just maybe if, Ken decides he's better served throwing Parky (and staff) under the bus to save himself.

Yes sorry. NOT. He can't afford to. Only way he goes is walking....or finding another job - and KA getting compo.

No chance is ken releasing Parky and his staff and not paying them up - imagine the fallout and the risk to Ken of having people with nothing to lose with intimate knowledge of his dealings OUTSIDE the organisation and with an axe to grind. Not happening!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I still agree with your thrust, but not your iron certainty. Again, if he judges it to be better for his own skin, he might still make a sacrifice.

As an aside, it's not beyond possibility that canny Ken - when offering or extending Parky's contract - might have inserted silence clauses.

[Harry Genshaw]

I read in the BEN that Parky hasn't been paid his bonuses from last season... and that the players had to stand on the train to Millwall....
This is like a 1980s throwback

The story is now online about the management not being paid their bonuses for last season.
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ety-bonus/

I wonder how this 'information has come to light'?

It's to PPs and his coaches credit that they haven't said a word on this given we're now in December. I wonder if someone's finally broken their silence and let word slip to Iles? I don't think anyone would blame them if they had.

Whatever his apparent failings may be he definitely deserves better than this. Shameful

[Enoch]

The story is now online

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Any mention of Domingos, Pru & I?

[nicholaldo]

I read in the BEN that Parky hasn't been paid his bonuses from last season... and that the players had to stand on the train to Millwall....
This is like a 1980s throwback

The story is now online about the management not being paid their bonuses for last season.
https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... ety-bonus/

I wonder how this 'information has come to light'?

It's to PPs and his coaches credit that they haven't said a word on this given we're now in December. I wonder if someone's finally broken their silence and let word slip to Iles? I don't think anyone would blame them if they had.

Whatever his apparent failings may be he definitely deserves better than this. Shameful

On a similar subject, I've noticed a harshening of tone from Iles in his most recent articles about our financial problems. They read as if he knows things might soon be coming to a head and no longer needs to worry quite so much about keeping in with the ownership. I hope I'm completely wrong but it has that feel.

[irie Cee Bee]

With his owing Phil and Staff bonuses now in the open, he can now fire them since they now have nothing over him..or do they have more?

[TANGODANCER]

I'm inwardly hoping a lot of all this is supposition and assumption and we're not about to see a John Le Carre plot of deceptiion, double dealing and dark secrets unfold. Until some hard facts emerge I'm staying in the "wait and see" queue. I have bad feelings, but still retain hope.....

[nicholaldo]

It would appear that things really might be stepping up a notch. I understand if people would prefer not to give the Daily Mail their clicks but the headline is pretty self-explanatory.

Ps. Does anyone know how to get rid of the 'CODE: SELECT ALL' thing? It's doing my head in.

[Prufrock]

With his owing Phil and Staff bonuses now in the open, he can now fire them since they now have nothing over him..or do they have more?

I think there's a lot in the point Insano made about a sacked PP being a real problem for Ken. By all accounts he was a big driving force behind the rescue and has been hands on involved. I'd wager he knows where more than a couple of bodies are buried.

[Dujon]

Where's SOTWA when you need him? I reckon Marc could cobble together a 'best seller' novel based on all this BWFC kerfuffle (based on a fictitious football club, of course) .

I can imagine it beginning with the death of Gerty the well loved lass on the club's board of management and then the denouement where Sadie, the doyen of a family from Anglesey, dies suddenly after striking a multi-million pound deal with the majority shareholder of the club. This allows SOTWA to leave the novel, weepy eyed, with the club's survival still in doubt and thus the opportunity to pen a sequel.

Imagine it, if you can. Dubious characters, lawyers, tax agents, football agents, HM Revenue folk, cameos of various club supporters with their trials and tribulations, internal conflicts of a financial and political nature, football fora with the opinions of interested and disinterested people expressing odd, weird and, generally, incomprehensible ... what a fertile field for the imagination.

W O T ! me worry?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It would appear that things really might be stepping up a notch. I understand if people would prefer not to give the Daily Mail their clicks but the headline is pretty self-explanatory.

Ps. Does anyone know how to get rid of the 'CODE: SELECT ALL' thing? It's doing my head in.

Seems to me there's nothing much new here (quoted below), apart from the old favourite unidentified-source-saying-something-inspecific. Perhaps the biggest news is that it's news, in a newspaper: much as one might hate the Mail, even if Geordie Greig appears to be changing its direction from previous editor Paul Dacre, it's a proper paper rather than a desperate weblog staffed by 17-year-olds who can't spell.

And yes, there seems to be a change in the wind with Marc Iles' tone and the BN's coverage (official Comment, etc). That could be that he knows something; it could just be that he/they suspect public sympathy is switching; it could be that there are diminishing returns from keeping in with Ken; or it could be a combination of them all.

Unpaid Bolton players eyeing exit in January transfer window as club's financial turmoil continues
* Some Bolton players are eyeing exits after not receiving their wages last week
* Sportsmail understands several unhappy first-teamers want to leave in January
* Bolton players and coaching staff were told they would have to wait to be paid
* Phil Parkinson and his staff also didn't get their bonus for staying up last season
* A source said: 'There's a sense enough is enough. They're sick of being let down'

Fed-up Bolton players are seeking a January move away from the Championship crisis club as its financial turmoil continues.

Wages were unpaid last week and Sportsmail understands several unhappy first-teamers have told their agents to try to find them new clubs.

As reported by the Bolton News last week, an email was sent to staff saying it had not been possible to pay all last month's wages, with playing and coaching staff being told they would have to wait. Senior players were later told the issue would be resolved by Thursday.

It also emerged that manager Phil Parkinson and his staff had not had their bonuses for keeping the club in the Championship last season.

Last summer, some players boycotted a friendly against St Mirren in an effort to ensure their bonuses were paid — an issue resolved with help from the Professional Footballers' Association.

A source said: 'There is a feeling now among some players that enough is enough. A number have asked their agents to find them moves away. They are sick of being let down.'

According to 2017 accounts for parent company Burnden Leisure, Bolton paid £525,000 to owner Ken Anderson via his own company, Inner Circle Sports and Media, for 'consultancy fees' and £125,000 to a company owned by a member of his family for 'consultancy services'.

Bolton declined to comment on Tuesday.

[Jugs]

I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I really don't know what to make of it all. As a freelancer, I'm always paid late. I just crack on.

I don't like seeing these eye-catching headlines all over the place about our players wanting to move on. It just makes us look bad and I hate that.

URGH.

When on a contract you should be paid on time. Full stop, by anybody, no matter who you are or who they are.
If your contract states you are paid monthly on the 15th, you should be paid monthly on the 15th, no excuses.