European Second Referendum

[Prufrock]

I too am shocked that the comments of the chief exec of Calais port, in the context of Chris Grayling chartering imaginary boats to ship things from Holland and Belgium, which were asking the lines of, "what, use ports other than Calais? Non non non, Calais will be fine, better zan fine, the fastest port you have even seen" were not widely reported as fact!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I too am shocked that the comments of the chief exec of Calais port, in the context of Chris Grayling chartering imaginary boats to ship things from Holland and Belgium, which were asking the lines of, "what, use ports other than Calais? Non non non, Calais will be fine, better zan fine, the fastest port you have even seen" were not widely reported as fact!

Because of course we wouldn't be possibly importing anything into this country, because we'd be in meltdown... And as for exporting shit... Phew *puffs out cheeks* why would the Frogs want fresh stuff when they could have rancid shit instead...

[malcd1]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

[Enoch]

I too am shocked that the comments of the chief exec of Calais port, in the context of Chris Grayling chartering imaginary boats to ship things from Holland and Belgium, which were asking the lines of, "what, use ports other than Calais? Non non non, Calais will be fine, better zan fine, the fastest port you have even seen" were not widely reported as fact!

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Too busy misrepresenting lots of other bollocks that's being spouted I guess.

[BWFC_Insane]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Jim Fitzpatrick, MP. Quote "some colleagues on my side have said nothing has changed since the government pulled the vote in December. I disagree... I would have voted against. Now I'm not so sure".

Told you. Labour are going to roll over and support May's deal. Maybe not on the first vote, but on the second, I guarantee it.
Slimy.

[malcd1]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

With my job, I make on average, three visits to customers premises a week. Completely random businesses, sizes and industries. For the last 12 months I have been asking them how they will cope after Brexit. Not one has said it will be a disaster for them. Only a straw poll I know and 95% of them have been in the north west but I'm not convinced it will be as bad as you make out. There will undoubtedly be some losers but I personally think there will be as many winners.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

With my job, I make on average, three visits to customers premises a week. Completely random businesses, sizes and industries. For the last 12 months I have been asking them how they will cope after Brexit. Not one has said it will be a disaster for them. Only a straw poll I know and 95% of them have been in the north west but I'm not convinced it will be as bad as you make out. There will undoubtedly be some losers but I personally think there will be as many winners.

How very dare you, sir. Just your opinion, BWFCi will contend.
But, you're right.

However, the political establishment, combined with 'business leaders', will not allow us to actually brexit anyway.

[malcd1]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

With my job, I make on average, three visits to customers premises a week. Completely random businesses, sizes and industries. For the last 12 months I have been asking them how they will cope after Brexit. Not one has said it will be a disaster for them. Only a straw poll I know and 95% of them have been in the north west but I'm not convinced it will be as bad as you make out. There will undoubtedly be some losers but I personally think there will be as many winners.

How very dare you, sir. Just your opinion, BWFCi will contend.
But, you're right.

However, the political establishment, combined with 'business leaders', will not allow us to actually brexit anyway.

I think these are powerful businesses with a loud voices who have a vested interest in remaining in the EU. The same type of businesses that have been transferring manufacturing jobs from the UK to the rest of Europe for nearly 50 years.

[Enoch]

Snouts, troughs 'n' all.

Viva l'établissement.

[BWFC_Insane]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

With my job, I make on average, three visits to customers premises a week. Completely random businesses, sizes and industries. For the last 12 months I have been asking them how they will cope after Brexit. Not one has said it will be a disaster for them. Only a straw poll I know and 95% of them have been in the north west but I'm not convinced it will be as bad as you make out. There will undoubtedly be some losers but I personally think there will be as many winners.

And I’m sure your anecdotal survey will be of great comfort to those who cannot get their medicines imported from abroad whilst we and the EU play a game customs hardball. I’m sure for example, those reliant on insulin will be delighted that malcd1 spoke to a few businesses who all said it would be ok and that playing customs chicken with the French would save us a few bob.

[Prufrock]

Good lord. You f*ckers calling Keira Knightly tedious keeps me going.

[malcd1]

Good lord. You f*ckers calling Keira Knightly tedious keeps me going.

That really made me laugh out loud.

[Hoboh]

Good lord. You f*ckers calling Keira Knightly tedious keeps me going.

At least the tedious folk on here have something really important to talk about not the usual crap from an overrated, overpaid, airhead.

[Hoboh]

Do they say if it will be the same in either direction? There will be goods waiting at ports in the UK waiting to get to France and vice versa. They won't give a crap about goods waiting to come to UK but it might be a different story with our goods going the other way. Some of the testing this last week was for lorries queueing to get into Dover so it makes sense to have multiple ports to spread the waiting time.

I just hope we grow some balls and tell the EU that whatever delays our goods have will be the same for European trade coming to the UK.

Yes. Let’s play hardball with peoples lives. That’s going to go well.

With my job, I make on average, three visits to customers premises a week. Completely random businesses, sizes and industries. For the last 12 months I have been asking them how they will cope after Brexit. Not one has said it will be a disaster for them. Only a straw poll I know and 95% of them have been in the north west but I'm not convinced it will be as bad as you make out. There will undoubtedly be some losers but I personally think there will be as many winners.

And I’m sure your anecdotal survey will be of great comfort to those who cannot get their medicines imported from abroad whilst we and the EU play a game customs hardball. I’m sure for example, those reliant on insulin will be delighted that malcd1 spoke to a few businesses who all said it would be ok and that playing customs chicken with the French would save us a few bob.

I,m sure not everyone would be happy to have EU supplied tubes of KY or Vaseline EITHER!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

It now transpires 'they' are not even going to bother with an overturn of the democratic will of the country through the mechanism of a second referendum, but are instead going straight for the jugular and with the help of Bercow, ignoring Standing Order 14(1), and pushing legeslation that will make a no-deal Brexit illegal and, more insidiously, simply revoking Article 50.

Civil wars have started over less, and I'm not being hyperbolic when I state that.

[Oh, and I'm sorry if we are boring you to tears, Prufrock. You could always just not read stuff...]

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Surely it not beyond the wit of modern society to organise a referendum (binding) by, say, three weeks next Friday.
What would be the question though, I hear you all shout (apart from Prufrock who is holding his head in his hands)?
Well, we can ignore two: holding a second referendum, because we would be anyway; and having a general election, because what's the fxcking point of that.
So in all fairness, every possible option should be there. Just choose one... winner takes all.
1. Remain in the EU.
2. Leave EU but be in a permanent customs union with EU in which we accept all the rules with no input.
3. Accept May's deal that isn't a deal but a promise to have a deal with no disruption for a short period of time which will cost us £39 billion and will probably just lead to Option 3 anyway.
4. Leave the EU with no deal. Then negotiate.

Parliament don't have the cojones to do that.

Latest poll that asked those very questions (obviously phrased differently) had option 4 winning with a solid 37.5%

[BWFC_Insane]

Surely it not beyond the wit of modern society to organise a referendum (binding) by, say, three weeks next Friday.
What would be the question though, I hear you all shout (apart from Prufrock who is holding his head in his hands)?
Well, we can ignore two: holding a second I'm referendum, because we would, and having a general election, because what's the fxcking point of that.
So in all fairness, every possible option should be there. Just choose one... winner takes all.
1. Remain in the EU.
2. Leave EU but be in a permanent customs union with EU in which we accept all the rules with no input.
3. Accept May's deal that isn't a deal but a promise to have a deal with no disruption for a short period of time which will cost us £39 billion and will probably just lead to Option 3 anyway.
4. Leave the EU with no deal. Then negotiate.

Parliament don't have the cojones to do that.

You say they don’t have the balls...the main block to it is the Tory Brexiteers, and May.

After that I think a second vote could be secured.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Surely it not beyond the wit of modern society to organise a referendum (binding) by, say, three weeks next Friday.
What would be the question though, I hear you all shout (apart from Prufrock who is holding his head in his hands)?
Well, we can ignore two: holding a second I'm referendum, because we would, and having a general election, because what's the fxcking point of that.
So in all fairness, every possible option should be there. Just choose one... winner takes all.
1. Remain in the EU.
2. Leave EU but be in a permanent customs union with EU in which we accept all the rules with no input.
3. Accept May's deal that isn't a deal but a promise to have a deal with no disruption for a short period of time which will cost us £39 billion and will probably just lead to Option 3 anyway.
4. Leave the EU with no deal. Then negotiate.

Parliament don't have the cojones to do that.

You say they don’t have the balls...the main block to it is the Tory Brexiteers, and May.

After that I think a second vote could be secured.

I thought I was on ignore?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I’m sure for example, those reliant on insulin will be delighted that malcd1 spoke to a few businesses...

Bullshit, bullshit, thrice bullshit.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... eal-brexit