European Second Referendum

[jmjhb]

Re: your second point, there has to be a balance somewhere. You don't want to disenfranchise a generation (whether old or young).

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Don't worry, I regard you with the same utter disdain having seen the offensive shit you post on a daily basis.

Go on then, if it's that offensive, tell me why it is! Instead of knee jerk reactions, engage. Debate! I will not lay down my right to hold an opinion. It it offends you, good - that shows what a shallow thinker you are if you can only complain and not pro-actively engage.

As per usual there is only one person insecure enough in their argument to resort to personal insults against other people. Then when trying to encourage debate - you once again throw another personal insult out. #isn'titironicdon'tyathink

Very Ironic.
Strangely enough, most liberal minded people would encourage those you are talking about to seek help. But you, no, you are quite ok to condemn them as bastards.
Oops, what happens tomorrow when my body is found hanging from a tree....

What are you on about? Those that lied and misled and cheated their way through the referendum should be held to account. I don't want to physically harm them - I just want them exposed properly and dealt with by the authorities where appropriate. I have no lust for violence. Just like I'm not that keen on condemning babies to death...just me like.

At no point have I ever condemned a baby to death. You really do need to get a fxcking grip.... That's just me like.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Re: your second point, there has to be a balance somewhere. You don't want to disenfranchise a generation (whether old or young).

Sorry, I'm in two 'conversations' at once. Probably due either to my magnetic personality or because I dominate the forum... However I do need a piss right now, and I'll be back shortly...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Re: your second point, there has to be a balance somewhere. You don't want to disenfranchise a generation (whether old or young).

Ok
Here is what I think.
You elect people to do something. Or you vote for something to happen. Both are democracy.
Usually you vote for one wazzock and four years later you can change your mind and vote for another wazzock.
Sometimes, very rarely, you can vote for a specific thing rather than have a choice of fxcking wazzocks.
That happened in 2016.

2016.

What we voted for has not occurred.

If in 2022, the generation that didn't get a vote in 2016 wants to reverse that decision; fine!

BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN FXCKING LEFT. At least honour the vote 'my generation's voted for before you don't do the shit that politicians haven't promised you yet...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Re: your second point, there has to be a balance somewhere. You don't want to disenfranchise a generation (whether old or young).

Ok
Here is what I think.
You elect people to do something. Or you vote for something to happen. Both are democracy.
Usually you vote for one wazzock and four years later you can change your mind and vote for another wazzock.
Sometimes, very rarely, you can vote for a specific thing rather than have a choice of fxcking wazzocks.
That happened in 2016.

2016.

What we voted for has not occurred.

If in 2022, the generation that didn't get a vote in 2016 wants to reverse that decision; fine!

BUT WE HAVEN'T EVEN FXCKING LEFT. At least honour the vote 'my generation's voted for before you don't do the shit that politicians haven't promised you yet...

What, speechless?
So am I.

Hence my threats about #WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy.

[malcd1]

The entire political establishment, including those on the continent, are now conspiring to frustrate the largest ever democratic vote in this country.

Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal... *Titter* *titter*

Just fxcking wait you cxnts... Next time an election occurs and two old ladies are guarding a box, see what I can do to frustrate that process!

You heard it here first, because I've just invented it:
At the next election, along with your ballot paper pour in an unidentified liquid - honey, bleach, water, sperm, ink...
#WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... lt-stands/

The only frustration of democracy is from the Brexit liars. The result of a referendum where one side cheated and broke the rules is what you'll cling to forever. The fact remains that were the vote legally binding the court would have overturned it.

Seventeen million. Seventeen million. You arrogant knobhead.
You ready for civil war? Because I am.

Ironically the same number of Germans who voted for the Nazis! Throwing that number around as though it automatically means there was no corruption (which we know there was) and that the legality of the vote isn't in question is nonsensical.

I don't see people my side threatening violence or civil war. I wonder why that is? By the way, what happened to all the trade deals Brexiteer Liam Fox said we'd have before March 29th? It was meant to be easy just to roll over those deals, a peace of cake, done in a week.....another Brexit lie. The lies are just piling up. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it.

As usual, you only see something from your perspective whether that is right or wrong.

I personally had no idea which way I was going to vote until the day of the referenda. I listened to all these experts from both sides and everyone lied. We should have been in recession within a week of a Brexit vote and house prices would slump where we couldn't give them away. By the time Brexit finally happened we would be in the deepest recession this country has ever seen.

That is Project Fear. Bullshit, lies and exaggeration. The Brexit politicians were probably worse but you cannot say one side lied and the other didn't. Both sides were fecking liars from start to finish.

The problem is though, no one knows, even now. You either voted for status quo or change. I personally voted for change but my wife voted to remain (it was a bit of a deal we struck). If it does come to another vote, I will definitely be voting to leave. No ifs and no buts this time. I want out from this EU wankers but I want May to go as well. She has done us over.

[BWFC_Insane]

The entire political establishment, including those on the continent, are now conspiring to frustrate the largest ever democratic vote in this country.

Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal... *Titter* *titter*

Just fxcking wait you cxnts... Next time an election occurs and two old ladies are guarding a box, see what I can do to frustrate that process!

You heard it here first, because I've just invented it:
At the next election, along with your ballot paper pour in an unidentified liquid - honey, bleach, water, sperm, ink...
#WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... lt-stands/

The only frustration of democracy is from the Brexit liars. The result of a referendum where one side cheated and broke the rules is what you'll cling to forever. The fact remains that were the vote legally binding the court would have overturned it.

Seventeen million. Seventeen million. You arrogant knobhead.
You ready for civil war? Because I am.

Ironically the same number of Germans who voted for the Nazis! Throwing that number around as though it automatically means there was no corruption (which we know there was) and that the legality of the vote isn't in question is nonsensical.

I don't see people my side threatening violence or civil war. I wonder why that is? By the way, what happened to all the trade deals Brexiteer Liam Fox said we'd have before March 29th? It was meant to be easy just to roll over those deals, a peace of cake, done in a week.....another Brexit lie. The lies are just piling up. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it.

As usual, you only see something from your perspective whether that is right or wrong.

I personally had no idea which way I was going to vote until the day of the referenda. I listened to all these experts from both sides and everyone lied. We should have been in recession within a week of a Brexit vote and house prices would slump where we couldn't give them away. By the time Brexit finally happened we would be in the deepest recession this country has ever seen.

That is Project Fear. Bullshit, lies and exaggeration. The Brexit politicians were probably worse but you cannot say one side lied and the other didn't. Both sides were fecking liars from start to finish.

The problem is though, no one knows, even now. You either voted for status quo or change. I personally voted for change but my wife voted to remain (it was a bit of a deal we struck). If it does come to another vote, I will definitely be voting to leave. No ifs and no buts this time. I want out from this EU wankers but I want May to go as well. She has done us over.

Firstly that is a false equivalence. There were warnings about the economic risk. Were some overblown? Yes. Equally though the BoE warnings that were made which are oft quoted - the BoE mitigated much of the post vote predicted slump via quantitative easing.

The Brexit campaign was based on lies entirely and corruption. It has since been concluded that it’s ‘very likely’ the illegal overspending by the leave campaign led directly to the result. Further there is the potential of criminal proceedings against the likes of Banks. The leave campaign is a group of rich men looking to deceive the electorate by throwing money, spinning stories and telling lies. It boggles my mind that intelligent people bought it - that intelligent people let the likes of Banks get their own way. But they did. However the thing stinks to absolute high heaven. And this cannot be stated enough times.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The entire political establishment, including those on the continent, are now conspiring to frustrate the largest ever democratic vote in this country.

Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal... *Titter* *titter*

Just fxcking wait you cxnts... Next time an election occurs and two old ladies are guarding a box, see what I can do to frustrate that process!

You heard it here first, because I've just invented it:
At the next election, along with your ballot paper pour in an unidentified liquid - honey, bleach, water, sperm, ink...
#WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... lt-stands/

The only frustration of democracy is from the Brexit liars. The result of a referendum where one side cheated and broke the rules is what you'll cling to forever. The fact remains that were the vote legally binding the court would have overturned it.

Seventeen million. Seventeen million. You arrogant knobhead.
You ready for civil war? Because I am.

Ironically the same number of Germans who voted for the Nazis! Throwing that number around as though it automatically means there was no corruption (which we know there was) and that the legality of the vote isn't in question is nonsensical.

I don't see people my side threatening violence or civil war. I wonder why that is? By the way, what happened to all the trade deals Brexiteer Liam Fox said we'd have before March 29th? It was meant to be easy just to roll over those deals, a peace of cake, done in a week.....another Brexit lie. The lies are just piling up. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it.

As usual, you only see something from your perspective whether that is right or wrong.

I personally had no idea which way I was going to vote until the day of the referenda. I listened to all these experts from both sides and everyone lied. We should have been in recession within a week of a Brexit vote and house prices would slump where we couldn't give them away. By the time Brexit finally happened we would be in the deepest recession this country has ever seen.

That is Project Fear. Bullshit, lies and exaggeration. The Brexit politicians were probably worse but you cannot say one side lied and the other didn't. Both sides were fecking liars from start to finish.

The problem is though, no one knows, even now. You either voted for status quo or change. I personally voted for change but my wife voted to remain (it was a bit of a deal we struck). If it does come to another vote, I will definitely be voting to leave. No ifs and no buts this time. I want out from this EU wankers but I want May to go as well. She has done us over.

Firstly that is a false equivalence. There were warnings about the economic risk. Were some overblown? Yes. Equally though the BoE warnings that were made which are oft quoted - the BoE mitigated much of the post vote predicted slump via quantitative easing.

The Brexit campaign was based on lies entirely and corruption. It has since been concluded that it’s ‘very likely’ the illegal overspending by the leave campaign led directly to the result. Further there is the potential of criminal proceedings against the likes of Banks. The leave campaign is a group of rich men looking to deceive the electorate by throwing money, spinning stories and telling lies. It boggles my mind that intelligent people bought it - that intelligent people let the likes of Banks get their own way. But they did. However the thing stinks to absolute high heaven. And this cannot be stated enough times.

Three words:
1.2.3. Do. Fxck. Off.

Three things:
1. It was not all about economics.
2. Only a mad conspiracy theorist would state, as you do "the Brexit campaign was based on lies entirely and corruption".
3. Even if a few intelligent people bought it, do you really think that seventeen and a half million people 'bought' something? Do you? You're an embarrassment to your own side.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Looks like Lisa Nandy has bought it too...
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... emy-corbyn

David Lammy and BWFCi might as well be twins.

[Harry Genshaw]

^^^
Excellent post Malc which sums up many of my feelings.

There's been lies, bleating, bitching and moaning on all sides but ultimately we voted to leave because enough people were sceptical about the benefits of our being in the EU.

If the vote had gone the other way and 52% had voted to remain, would the concerns of Brexiteers been listened to? Would they feck.

It's a sad state of affairs. My initial thought if there was another referendum - I voted leave after much swaying last time - was I'd vote remain because I don't trust any of the current feck wits to deliver Brexit. Now though I just wouldn't bother - what's the point?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I'm now in Messiah mode
Any second referendum, after the results of a first has been ignored, means un-democracy!
#WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy
Pour bleach or acid into the ballot boxes. Fxck them up!

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I wish they'd just agree on a version of brexit and get on with. I'm past caring which version, just that whichever isn't carried out half baked by incompetents!

[TANGODANCER]

This David Lammy chap says..."The only way to break the logjam and get a clear mandate in favour of a real Brexit deal, or indeed to remain in the EU, is to put the question to the people.!"

Gee, I thought we had and voted on it. Best of three maybe?

[Hoboh]

The entire political establishment, including those on the continent, are now conspiring to frustrate the largest ever democratic vote in this country.

Brexit means Brexit, No Deal is better than a Bad Deal... *Titter* *titter*

Just fxcking wait you cxnts... Next time an election occurs and two old ladies are guarding a box, see what I can do to frustrate that process!

You heard it here first, because I've just invented it:
At the next election, along with your ballot paper pour in an unidentified liquid - honey, bleach, water, sperm, ink...
#WeCanAllFrustrateDemocracy

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/ ... lt-stands/

The only frustration of democracy is from the Brexit liars. The result of a referendum where one side cheated and broke the rules is what you'll cling to forever. The fact remains that were the vote legally binding the court would have overturned it.

Seventeen million. Seventeen million. You arrogant knobhead.
You ready for civil war? Because I am.

Ironically the same number of Germans who voted for the Nazis! Throwing that number around as though it automatically means there was no corruption (which we know there was) and that the legality of the vote isn't in question is nonsensical.

I don't see people my side threatening violence or civil war. I wonder why that is? By the way, what happened to all the trade deals Brexiteer Liam Fox said we'd have before March 29th? It was meant to be easy just to roll over those deals, a peace of cake, done in a week.....another Brexit lie. The lies are just piling up. Lie, lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it.

WW3? and you talk about lies!

I don't fear another referendum it's the third one that is the worry, MP's do not represent the electorate so get it out of your head remain would walk it.

[TANGODANCER]

B.W.F.Ci wrote..." Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it."

There's no reason to vote again. Why should we? There's absolutely no reason to do it. Why? So, just to be clear, we voted, got a result and because you don't like that result you want to do it again. Is that correct?

[Enoch]

He can't answer yet, Tango. His mum just called him for his cocoa.

[BWFC_Insane]

B.W.F.Ci wrote..." Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it."

There's no reason to vote again. Why should we? There's absolutely no reason to do it. Why? So, just to be clear, we voted, got a result and because you don't like that result you want to do it again. Is that correct?

And like I said it was a non-binding vote. Had it been binding the leave campaign's illegal overspending would have meant the result would have had to be overturned by the electoral commission.

So I say - lets have a legally binding referendum to ensure that a) whatever the result it binds our politicians to do it and b) it ensures that any illegality will void the result of said vote and therefore will force everyone to play by the rules.

To answer another point - my gut feel is leave would win again but at least then - the legally binding nature would mean the discussion and debate would be over and secondly we'd know that the result was not bought illegally.

[Hoboh]

B.W.F.Ci wrote..." Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it."

There's no reason to vote again. Why should we? There's absolutely no reason to do it. Why? So, just to be clear, we voted, got a result and because you don't like that result you want to do it again. Is that correct?

And like I said it was a non-binding vote. Had it been binding the leave campaign's illegal overspending would have meant the result would have had to be overturned by the electoral commission.

So I say - lets have a legally binding referendum to ensure that a) whatever the result it binds our politicians to do it and b) it ensures that any illegality will void the result of said vote and therefore will force everyone to play by the rules.

To answer another point - my gut feel is leave would win again but at least then - the legally binding nature would mean the discussion and debate would be over and secondly we'd know that the result was not bought illegally.

Oh do feck off with this non binding business! The government of the day said it would implement the result, a general election was fought in which both main parties included respecting the referendum result in their manifesto, Parliament voted to invoke article 50 to leave the EU (something the remainer quislings now conveniently over look) so for once stop talking through your arse.
As to the spending point, taxpayer leaflets for remain conveniently get overlooked, whats next? The Russians financed it

[BWFC_Insane]

B.W.F.Ci wrote..." Bring on another vote. If you are confident of the 17M then there is absolutely no reason not to do it."

There's no reason to vote again. Why should we? There's absolutely no reason to do it. Why? So, just to be clear, we voted, got a result and because you don't like that result you want to do it again. Is that correct?

And like I said it was a non-binding vote. Had it been binding the leave campaign's illegal overspending would have meant the result would have had to be overturned by the electoral commission.

So I say - lets have a legally binding referendum to ensure that a) whatever the result it binds our politicians to do it and b) it ensures that any illegality will void the result of said vote and therefore will force everyone to play by the rules.

To answer another point - my gut feel is leave would win again but at least then - the legally binding nature would mean the discussion and debate would be over and secondly we'd know that the result was not bought illegally.

Oh do feck off with this non binding business! The government of the day said it would implement the result, a general election was fought in which both main parties included respecting the referendum result in their manifesto, Parliament voted to invoke article 50 to leave the EU (something the remainer quislings now conveniently over look) so for once stop talking through your arse.
As to the spending point, taxpayer leaflets for remain conveniently get overlooked, whats next? The Russians financed it

Remain spending wasn't illegal. Leave spending was. And as I say were the referendum legally binding then it would have been rendered null and void as a result.

In a democracy I don't think its too much to "ask again". Especially given a) the illegality concerned with the first vote and b) the fact that none of the promises made by leavers can be delivered on.

[TANGODANCER]

In a democracy I don't think its too much to "ask again". Especially given a) the illegality concerned with the first vote and b) the fact that none of the promises made by leavers can be delivered on.

It is. The democracy voted, Parliament accepted and acted on the result and still you wail on about it not being fair because you don't agree. Get over it man.. Had remain won, would you have held the same views? Here's an Omar Khayyam quatrain that's entirely relevant:

“The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ, Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit. Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line, Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.”