Ken Anderson - Old Owner (Definitely. For Ever ..... )

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

[Jim_McDonuts]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

Ken's Kolumn

[Jim_McDonuts]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

Ken's Kolumn

So who do we think then?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

What it means is that he's telling you he's In The Know, and you aren't. What he's really telling you is that he hasn't a clue either but he can't possibly tell you that otherwise his aura of mysterious knowledge gathering disappears.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I think the judge was handed a blank piece of paper...

[bristol_Wanderer3]

I think the judge was handed a blank piece of paper...

It might have said "playing 72o like a boss" on it....

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

What it means is that he's telling you he's In The Know, and you aren't. What he's really telling you is that he hasn't a clue either but he can't possibly tell you that otherwise his aura of mysterious knowledge gathering disappears.

It's a heavy clue that Ken has previously denied this person (the Arab? I forget).

Thing is that things change, and if Iles (or whoever) writes what he thinks to be true at this point, and it doesn't come off, people say he's a know-nowt. Add in that many conversations with journalists are necessarily off the record and it's really not possible to say everything you know or think might happen.

I was in the office of a well-known national newspaper the other day when the Bercow intervention happened. I'm not getting into the politics of that but it was noticeable how both the BBC and Guardian live-blog went utterly silent for 10 minutes. Nobody wanted to publish something ignorant, or wrong, and I'd guess everyone was frantically trying to research as much as possible.

I feel for journalists who are expected (at no extra charge, BTW) to fill the livelong day with hot takes and gossip and insight as well as writing their longer-form pieces, researching, making rounds of calls to interested parties etc - all for people who, in the large part, don't pay a bean towards your wage. It's an unsustainable model.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... g-up-move/

“The buyer is somebody who already has a major stake in a high level football club. Mr Ken Anderson has instructed to draft a share agreement but needs two weeks,” said counsel.

“The statement says the buyer needs to capitalise the receipts. That includes funds to pay the petition debt and any other debts which fall due.”

[malcd1]

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/1 ... g-up-move/

“The buyer is somebody who already has a major stake in a high level football club. Mr Ken Anderson has instructed to draft a share agreement but needs two weeks,” said counsel.

“The statement says the buyer needs to capitalise the receipts. That includes funds to pay the petition debt and any other debts which fall due.”

He must be a foreign club owner then if he has a major stake in another profession football team. Surely? Have we been linked with other club owners? I can't remember but the little grey cells are not quite as sharp as they used to be.

[Jim_McDonuts]

Iles on new bidder:

"If it's who I think it is, he's been on the scene for some time. In fact, he was outright denied a few webnotes ago..."

Yeah, what the deuce does that mean? He denied it was Kenyon a few posts previously but I don';t even know what a 'webnote' is? ffs

What it means is that he's telling you he's In The Know, and you aren't. What he's really telling you is that he hasn't a clue either but he can't possibly tell you that otherwise his aura of mysterious knowledge gathering disappears.

It's a heavy clue that Ken has previously denied this person (the Arab? I forget).

Thing is that things change, and if Iles (or whoever) writes what he thinks to be true at this point, and it doesn't come off, people say he's a know-nowt. Add in that many conversations with journalists are necessarily off the record and it's really not possible to say everything you know or think might happen.

I was in the office of a well-known national newspaper the other day when the Bercow intervention happened. I'm not getting into the politics of that but it was noticeable how both the BBC and Guardian live-blog went utterly silent for 10 minutes. Nobody wanted to publish something ignorant, or wrong, and I'd guess everyone was frantically trying to research as much as possible.

I feel for journalists who are expected (at no extra charge, BTW) to fill the livelong day with hot takes and gossip and insight as well as writing their longer-form pieces, researching, making rounds of calls to interested parties etc - all for people who, in the large part, don't pay a bean towards your wage. It's an unsustainable model.

nice post, props.
As a composer of obscure contemporary/classical experimental computer music, with a sideline in writing open source tools - I can confirm there are many currently unsustainable models doing the rounds

[Jim_McDonuts]

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[Enoch]

He must be a foreign club owner then if he has a major stake in another profession football team.

How about Roland Duchâtelet.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

He must be a foreign club owner then if he has a major stake in another profession football team.

As in "owner of a foreign club" (sounds like a late-period Yes song) rather than "a foreign owner of a club in England"

But it depends how you define a "major" shareholder - might not be "majority" - could be some clever wordplay there. These things are often limited. Back around the turn of the century when broadcast companies were forbidden from owning clubs, many scaled down to 19.99999%. Premier League's fit & proper persons test only applies to those over 30% holdings. Not quite sure what EFL threshold is. IIRC Trevor Hemmings had small slices of Blackpool and Bolton at same time as Preston.

And of course he (or she?) could divest this major holding elsewhere...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

nice post, props.
As a composer of obscure contemporary/classical experimental computer music, with a sideline in writing open source tools - I can confirm there are many currently unsustainable models doing the rounds

Ta. As a writer and musician, I feel your pain. Sadly with developments like free distribution, unpaid internships etc etc it's going back toward the old model wherein you have to be relatively rich to afford to be creative. We all hoped digitisation would democratise production, which to an extent it does, but the erosion of payment for creativity means there's nobody paying the bills.

Anyway, that's a convo for another time...

[bristol_Wanderer3]

If this new party is paying off all our debts, especially after the revelation that Basran had found £10m in their DD, it might come to over £40m. We concluded a few days ago that our total debt, both secured and unsecured was around £39m based on the 2017 accounts.

That plus life as a L1 club for at least a season, plus foreign club stake, would suggest, if he/she/it is real, he/she/it has a significant level of wealth, like in the hundreds of millions+.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If this new party is paying off all our debts, especially after the revelation that Basran had found £10m in their DD, it might come to over £40m. We concluded a few days ago that our total debt, both secured and unsecured was around £39m based on the 2017 accounts.

That plus life as a L1 club for at least a season, plus foreign club stake, would suggest, if he is real, he/she/it has a significant level of wealth, like in the hundreds of millions+.

Or can borrow money off people who do. Not necessarily Deano payday loans. There's some rich folks about, and some persuasive people with their contact details.

[malcd1]

He must be a foreign club owner then if he has a major stake in another profession football team.

As in "owner of a foreign club" (sounds like a late-period Yes song) rather than "a foreign owner of a club in England"

But it depends how you define a "major" shareholder - might not be "majority" - could be some clever wordplay there. These things are often limited. Back around the turn of the century when broadcast companies were forbidden from owning clubs, many scaled down to 19.99999%. Premier League's fit & proper persons test only applies to those over 30% holdings. Not quite sure what EFL threshold is. IIRC Trevor Hemmings had small slices of Blackpool and Bolton at same time as Preston.

And of course he (or she?) could divest this major holding elsewhere...

Would he / she be able to own 94.5% of Bolton and a 15% in say Preston though?

[BWFC_Insane]

If this new party is paying off all our debts, especially after the revelation that Basran had found £10m in their DD, it might come to over £40m. We concluded a few days ago that our total debt, both secured and unsecured was around £39m based on the 2017 accounts.

That plus life as a L1 club for at least a season, plus foreign club stake, would suggest, if he/she/it is real, he/she/it has a significant level of wealth, like in the hundreds of millions+.

IF being the operative word.

Also hundreds of millions - is not enough to spunk 50 odd million on a football club. You dont have a couple of hundred million for long doing that.

[Jim_McDonuts]

nice post, props.
As a composer of obscure contemporary/classical experimental computer music, with a sideline in writing open source tools - I can confirm there are many currently unsustainable models doing the rounds

Ta. As a writer and musician, I feel your pain. Sadly with developments like free distribution, unpaid internships etc etc it's going back toward the old model wherein you have to be relatively rich to afford to be creative. We all hoped digitisation would democratise production, which to an extent it does, but the erosion of payment for creativity means there's nobody paying the bills.

Anyway, that's a convo for another time...

that would be fun...
"the greatest trick contemporary capitalism ever pulled, was convincing the public that digital has no value"
or something like that but which scans a little surer.

I mean of course it's copmlex, we're all here, doing this, because it matters (to us) - still an investment of labour.

But yeah, sure, maybe not now eh