Onwards and Downwards: 2020 transfer speculation thread.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I still want to know why Sammy doesn't have an accent but Shola does. Did Shola's early Newcastle wages go on sending Sammy to some sort of Geordie posh school?

It's an interesting question. I haven't noticed the difference but they moved from Nigeria to Newcastle when Shola was five; Sammy was born five years after that. So Shola will have been learning English 'on the hoof' in the playground, whereas because the Ameobis apparently made a determined effort at home to only speak English (for better integration), Sammi would have been brought up in a house where everyone was speaking, perhaps, "textbook" English - I dunno, maybe from a course of tapes or something. His secondary school wasn't posh - local comprehensive, non-selective, merged and rebuilt just as he got there, and more recently judged inadequate and turned into an Academy.

at this stage I'd happily keep them all. Magennis even more so than Oz. But they're both top 6 players at this level. Add Murphy, Lowe, the keepers and say Wheater and Taylor and you've got the bones of a team. I think we'll probably go down but I don't think it's a racing certainty.

Murphy is yet to impress me but as I say, clean slate. I'd add Hobbs to your defensive list: he's been training with us and I can't imagine a million other options for him or us. Brockbank too: he might start at right-back with older lads in the middle as he learns his trade.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Agreed. And the longer this has gone on the happier I am that Parkinson is still there. I was all for the fresh start, but given the mess were in, appointing a new manager right now is a non starter. Attractive football is very low down the list of priorities. Let him.hire some big donkeys to practice set pieces with and you never know.

I don't think any manager is hiring players. They've been lined up by Cousins. And its very much "take what we can get".

Hmm, not sure. "lined up by" but non-compulsory, he's just making calls and suggesting people. And for all his drawbacks, Parkinson does seem to have contacts in the game and a good grasp of lower-league players. A lot of people seem to want to play for him. Wheater's almost apologetically hanging around.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I still want to know why Sammy doesn't have an accent but Shola does. Did Shola's early Newcastle wages go on sending Sammy to some sort of Geordie posh school?

It's an interesting question. I haven't noticed the difference but they moved from Nigeria to Newcastle when Shola was five; Sammy was born five years after that. So Shola will have been learning English 'on the hoof' in the playground, whereas because the Ameobis apparently made a determined effort at home to only speak English (for better integration), Sammi would have been brought up in a house where everyone was speaking, perhaps, "textbook" English - I dunno, maybe from a course of tapes or something. His secondary school wasn't posh - local comprehensive, non-selective, merged and rebuilt just as he got there, and more recently judged inadequate and turned into an Academy.

There are many parts of Nigeria where English is the native language, but, a bit like Australia and the Appalachians, mainly incomprehensible to outsiders, unless, like in Appalachia and Australia, your family are rich and you speak merchant English.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I still want to know why Sammy doesn't have an accent but Shola does. Did Shola's early Newcastle wages go on sending Sammy to some sort of Geordie posh school?

It's an interesting question. I haven't noticed the difference but they moved from Nigeria to Newcastle when Shola was five; Sammy was born five years after that. So Shola will have been learning English 'on the hoof' in the playground, whereas because the Ameobis apparently made a determined effort at home to only speak English (for better integration), Sammi would have been brought up in a house where everyone was speaking, perhaps, "textbook" English - I dunno, maybe from a course of tapes or something. His secondary school wasn't posh - local comprehensive, non-selective, merged and rebuilt just as he got there, and more recently judged inadequate and turned into an Academy.

There are many parts of Nigeria where English is the native language, but, a bit like Australia and the Appalachians, mainly incomprehensible to outsiders, unless, like in Appalachia and Australia, your family are rich and you speak merchant English.

Indeed: that's the hangover of empire (well one of them). Apparently the young Ameobis lost their ability to speak Yoruba because they focused on English.

[LeverEnd]

Probably puts paid to him ever becoming Sammy Ameobi OBE.

I still want to know why Sammy doesn't have an accent but Shola does. Did Shola's early Newcastle wages go on sending Sammy to some sort of Geordie posh school? That's what Nixon and Iles should be focusing on.

I also agree that at this stage I'd happily keep them all. Magennis even more so than Oz. But they're both top 6 players at this level. Add Murphy, Lowe, the keepers and say Wheater and Taylor and you've got the bones of a team. I think we'll probably go down but I don't think it's a racing certainty.

Agreed. And the longer this has gone on the happier I am that Parkinson is still there. I was all for the fresh start, but given the mess were in, appointing a new manager right now is a non starter. Attractive football is very low down the list of priorities. Let him.hire some big donkeys to practice set pieces with and you never know.

I don't think any manager is hiring players. They've been lined up by Cousins. And its very much "take what we can get".

There'll be an element of beggars can't be choosers I'm sure, but they'd be daft not to closely consult a manager who's been there 3 years and knows the division very well.
Plus, as DSb says, players are sticking around to train with him.

[BWFC_Insane]

Probably puts paid to him ever becoming Sammy Ameobi OBE.

I still want to know why Sammy doesn't have an accent but Shola does. Did Shola's early Newcastle wages go on sending Sammy to some sort of Geordie posh school? That's what Nixon and Iles should be focusing on.

I also agree that at this stage I'd happily keep them all. Magennis even more so than Oz. But they're both top 6 players at this level. Add Murphy, Lowe, the keepers and say Wheater and Taylor and you've got the bones of a team. I think we'll probably go down but I don't think it's a racing certainty.

Agreed. And the longer this has gone on the happier I am that Parkinson is still there. I was all for the fresh start, but given the mess were in, appointing a new manager right now is a non starter. Attractive football is very low down the list of priorities. Let him.hire some big donkeys to practice set pieces with and you never know.

I don't think any manager is hiring players. They've been lined up by Cousins. And its very much "take what we can get".

There'll be an element of beggars can't be choosers I'm sure, but they'd be daft not to closely consult a manager who's been there 3 years and knows the division very well.
Plus, as DSb says, players are sticking around to train with him.

I'm sure Parky is in the discussions but I don't think he's central to the process. Cousins worked for the admins to ensure the football club could carry on if/once a takeover was done. The premise was that we'd need players regardless (Aldridge did the same job on the commercial side of the club) but that new owners might want to make a decision on the coaching staff.......

If the club had been able to continue normally (had enough cash reserves) in effect Cousins and Aldridge would have been running it on behalf of administrators.

[LeverEnd]

Doesn't bode well for him if he's not consulted I guess.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Doesn't bode well for him if he's not consulted I guess.

I wouldn't read an enormous amount into it, LE. The administrators appointed Cousins but they won't appoint a manager. That's for FV to decide. Had the administrators decided to let Parky line up signings, we might quite rightly accuse them of overstepping their mark.

But in truth, I wouldn't be amazed if Cousins had spoken to Parky. As much as anything, there's no point them both "chasing" the same players.

[BWFC_Insane]

Doesn't bode well for him if he's not consulted I guess.

I don't think at this point there is much likelihood of FV changing manager barring some huge unworkable differences arising.

[officer_dibble]

I reckon we might sign someone tomorrow!

Wheater wasted at Oldham IMO. Could have done a year here. We must be signing better.

[Worthy4England]

I reckon we might sign someone tomorrow!

Wheater wasted at Oldham IMO. Could have done a year here. We must be signing better.

Yeah - this could be a record transfer number in a day thread tomorrow...

[TANGODANCER]

Probably a daft question, but will paying the players back wages (presumably as a lump sum) affect the taxes they pay as opposed to seperate cheques (whatever) and could it possaibly cause further ado?

[officer_dibble]

They will backdate the pay so it doesn’t. They’ve missed one from last tax year haven’t they?

[officer_dibble]

Clocks ticking, I’m assuming players need to be registered by 12pm, whether new or existing / youth team?

[DJBlu]

Clocks ticking, I’m assuming players need to be registered by 12pm, whether new or existing / youth team?

Seems there is a lot to do in the next 37 minutes, unless it's done and they are working on the last one.

Oooh look there goes a pig on the back of a flying unicorn.

[Worthy4England]

Clocks ticking, I’m assuming players need to be registered by 12pm, whether new or existing / youth team?

Seems there is a lot to do in the next 37 minutes, unless it's done and they are working on the last one.

Oooh look there goes a pig on the back of a flying unicorn.

The EFL reckoned most of the paperwork was already ready for processing / being processed (without necessarily "executing") from what the new woman said the other night IIRC?

[DJBlu]

Just feel we're the next in line to be duped by Mr Appleton. Seems he's fed a line to somebody and it's gone viral.

I so want to be wrong.

[LeverEnd]

Just feel we're the next in line to be duped by Mr Appleton. Seems he's fed a line to somebody and it's gone viral.

I so want to be wrong.

The more I hear about him, the more of a c*nt I think he is.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Nixon insists Josh Earl (loaned from Preston) and James Weir (ex-MU) are on the coach. So, who’d know them if they were sat next to them? Any good? What positions?

[Bruce Rioja]

Nixon insists Josh Earl (loaned from Preston) and James Weir (ex-MU) are on the coach. So, who’d know them if they were sat next to them? Any good? What positions?

Mate, I have trouble remembering who's who at our place when I'm sat there watching them play