January 2022 Transfer Thread

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by TANGODANCER » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:42 am

A fine start to 2022... :oyea:
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by The_Gun » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:43 am

Without wanting to come across as creepy, looking at him in that video he appears to be a bit of a physical specimen. Clearly spends plenty of time in the gym, so hopefully should provide us with more of a hold-up presence up top.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:54 am

Good to land one...hope gets bought his boots.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:27 am

Worthy4England wrote:
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Good to land one...hope gets bought his boots.
Can’t play today.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:28 am

Looks genuinely two footed which is nice. He's right footed but lots of really good hits with his left.

Obviously a bit of a gamble but let's see. I don't think it can be a bad thing that we're spending a bit of money and seem to have got a major target one the line.

Shame he can't play today. Suspect strongly we'll see him in the Johnstone's Paint to get minutes in his legs.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:33 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:27 am
Worthy4England wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:54 am
Good to land one...hope gets bought his boots.
Can’t play today.
I know, mate. Wishful thinking...

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Mar » Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:20 pm

Lovely to get another player onboard and with a fee too!

Worst kept secret lol

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by DJBlu » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:07 pm

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer ... d-25805904

MARK Doyle signs for club Eoin is linked with.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:14 pm

DJBlu wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:07 pm
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer ... d-25805904

MARK Doyle signs for club Eoin is linked with.
He signed prior to the Eoin Doyle link. National papers were carrying it before the Irish Examiner said they also want Eoin.

Doesn't mean he's off, but unlikely to be confusion over the last name.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:02 pm

We need centre halves. I don’t care what all the pseudo football babble folk say. You won’t do very well unless you have a solid base and our centre halves are useless. All this talk of presses and whatever is not going to matter until we have people who can and enjoy defending.

I’m going to keep repeating this cos it’s so blindingly obvious and has been all season and until we fix it the team is built on soft sand.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm

We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:08 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm
We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
Every section of the team - attack, midfield, defence, keeper - could be better. We are a newly promoted League One outfit.

By the end of Jan we will need to have improved in every department (though Evatt won't sign a keeper).

The analytics used by every successful team in world football may well be "pseudo football babble", I'll leave that discussion to the real experts like BWFCi, but improving in all departments is a must.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:08 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm
We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
It is possible we need both :-) We let in plenty, with out strongest midfield out...

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:10 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:08 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm
We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
Every section of the team - attack, midfield, defence, keeper - could be better. We are a newly promoted League One outfit.

By the end of Jan we will need to have improved in every department (though Evatt won't sign a keeper).

The analytics used by every successful team in world football may well be "pseudo football babble", I'll leave that discussion to the real experts like BWFCi, but improving in all departments is a must.
Of course every dept could be better. But a team with Aimson and Santos at centre back is going to finish a million miles ahead of a team with Thomason, Johnstone and Delf in CM, all other things being equal.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:11 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm
We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
We need a midfield too. But we concede goals from little pressure commonly. The back four need to be better and I don’t think we are changing the coaching so we need better players. None of our centre halves strike me as good defenders at this level.

Aimson let go from a Plymouth side that leaked like nobody’s business. Johnston - never was convinced and I’ve been proven right. Another fancy dan poor man’s Ream.

Santos - a massive unit who continually is outfought physically and only really seems to enjoy the recovery.

We need better players there. I think that would most dramatically influence results.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:14 pm

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Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:10 pm
Of course every dept could be better. But a team with Aimson and Santos at centre back is going to finish a million miles ahead of a team with Thomason, Johnstone and Delf in CM, all other things being equal.
I don't disagree.

Hopefully Charles adds pace and goals, which we need. If he can push teams backwards it'll help our defending. We need some solidity and ability in the middle. I have no issue with Senior as a kid coming through, but we clearly need a right back. If Evatt can get a Championship centre half in I'll take that too, but he's unlikely to sign anyone he thinks is below that level.

I'm not judging individual deals until February. Evatt is reworking his squad. I'll be interested to see what tools he has available when the window closes.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:16 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:08 pm
The analytics used by every successful team in world football may well be "pseudo football babble", I'll leave that discussion to the real experts like BWFCi, but improving in all departments is a must.
I think it becomes "pseudo football babble" when you let shitloads in at the wrong end and can't score at the other :-) . Being able to keep the ball out as a defender is sorta the job. There's no point pointing to every successful team, when too many can't do some of the basics - you're not going to be a successful team so it's a bit of a moot point...

I don't think anyone mentioned "analytics"...

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Prufrock » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:18 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:11 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:04 pm
We need a midfield. Can't keep the ball. So you defend for a whole game. League one defenders are going to make mistakes at some point. Santos and Aimson were decent apart from that one moment. It's going to happen when you're under that pressure. We need a midfield.
We need a midfield too. But we concede goals from little pressure commonly. The back four need to be better and I don’t think we are changing the coaching so we need better players. None of our centre halves strike me as good defenders at this level.

Aimson let go from a Plymouth side that leaked like nobody’s business. Johnston - never was convinced and I’ve been proven right. Another fancy dan poor man’s Ream.

Santos - a massive unit who continually is outfought physically and only really seems to enjoy the recovery.

We need better players there. I think that would most dramatically influence results.
I disagree massively on what would most affect results. That's the midfield.

I can see your point on individuals, but I would say we were ticking along fine until Jones got injured. Still conceded some soft goals but with a new keeper and a new centre back in there there was room and scope for improvement. John also missed a lot early doors. I'd be interested to know how many times Jones, John, Santos and then one of Aimson and Johnstone played together.

I've said elsewhere why I think that is mitigation for the centre backs. Having a non-league LB at RB has knock on effects. The failure was gambling on only Jones in the summer and Brocky to be good enough cover.

I think there's promise in Aimson and Santos. I don't think Johnstone is ever going to be a CB in a 2. I'd like a centre back but it would be after two midfielders and a forward (and possibly even a keeper) in my priorities.
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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:21 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:16 pm
I think it becomes "pseudo football babble" when you let shitloads in at the wrong end and can't score at the other :-) . Being able to keep the ball out as a defender is sorta the job. There's no point pointing to every successful team, when too many can't do some of the basics - you're not going to be a successful team so it's a bit of a moot point...

I don't think anyone mentioned "analytics"...
There are plenty of example of defenders who people claimed "can't defend" in one team who manage to win trophies and titles as key parts of teams. David Luiz and Antonio Rudiger come immediately to mind. As does Ivan Campo. Different teams need different things from players. A player can look crap when asked to do one job and be amazing when doing another, in the same position.

Santos can be a key player if Evatt can sort his system out. If he can't and Santos (and John) are on the back foot we will keep conceding soft goals.

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Re: January 2022 Transfer Thread

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:38 pm

Well, yes, you can make up for the odd lacks of concentration in a team where the MF unit and attacking units are great. When they're not, the problem is incrementally worsened. And yes, the system can be adapted to cover as best you can.

I don't mind how he sorts it, but until I see some evidence that the system adopted isn't letting in 1.5 goals per game (which I've seen too little evidence of in the 5 months the season has currently run), I'll stick with the fairly obvious.

His job to sort it, not mine, so he can knock himself out...what sort of percentage (amongst the successful sides) do they take a set piece that goes straight to the keeper (in our case, often after a couple of passes), how many successful teams are able to let 1.5 per game in at one end without generally having the capacity to score 2 at the other?

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