The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

I suspect on reflection the real winner from tonight is Sir Keir. Doesn’t have to do or say anything. Just looks better by lack of association.

He's not convinced me he's got policies to get out of this hole yet either...he's had a relatively easy ride the last few months.

[BWFC_Insane]

I suspect on reflection the real winner from tonight is Sir Keir. Doesn’t have to do or say anything. Just looks better by lack of association.

He's not convinced me he's got policies to get out of this hole yet either...he's had a relatively easy ride the last few months.

And that’s the point I think. Policies are where the problems start for him because the open the old factional wounds. He doesn’t need anything much right now beyond platitudes and riding the chaos. And frankly beyond Sunak winning I’m not sure that will change much either.

[Worthy4England]

It all just seems pretty poor fare at the moment. All round. I mean there were three or four of that lot who said we need to grow a lot. Not an unreasonable idea. But we've hovered around 2% for 12 years, so I'm guessing because they haven't got a magic money tree, they've got a magic growth tree stashed away...

[BWFC_Insane]

It all just seems pretty poor fare at the moment. All round. I mean there were three or four of that lot who said we need to grow a lot. Not an unreasonable idea. But we've hovered around 2% for 12 years, so I'm guessing because they haven't got a magic money tree, they've got a magic growth tree stashed away...

Indeed. And nobody can really be honest about anything cos identify politics and factional nonsense.

The only person who has just called a spade a spade was Mick Lynch. And it seemed to boost his popularity. Just an idea…

[Bruce Rioja]

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...

I cringed at that too. I'd love to see the value of UK exports to Japan and Australia both pre and post Truss's FTAs

[Worthy4England]

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...

I cringed at that too. I'd love to see the value of UK exports to Japan and Australia both pre and post Truss's FTAs

I think the government's impact assessments were neutral for Japan FTA and...sitting comfortably?....0.08% for Australia....bearing in mind they will need to cover the growth declination from leaving...feels like a long way to go at that rate...

[Hoboh]

Ii read an awful lot more than the Mail mate, in fact the Guardian used, untill the real commies invaded it was my favourite.
Penny is not the quality we need and nor is Sunak, Truss if you ignore her wooden stance and delivery said some decent things, Tom came across as Captin sensible but as you say really ain't in the running.
My biggest regret is Wallace disappeared down the pub with Gromit.

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...What did she say that was decent?

Stop levying green tax, slow down the rate of paying off the debt for now will do for starters.

[Prufrock]

Truss spent £28bn a year in a single sentence saying she'd reverse the NI rise and not bump CT. That's not your classic Tory. Though to balance it she keeps dressing as cosplay Thatcher.

Starmer will be the next PM. To keep banging my drum, to expel or discount half of your party because they disagree with you on Brexit will come back to bite you. They've lost half a generation of talent and there's not much left.

[Hoboh]

Truss spent £28bn a year in a single sentence saying she'd reverse the NI rise and not bump CT. That's not your classic Tory. Though to balance it she keeps dressing as cosplay Thatcher.

Starmer will be the next PM. To keep banging my drum, to expel or discount half of your party because they disagree with you on Brexit will come back to bite you. They've lost half a generation of talent and there's not much left.

Angela Rayner, lady white van man hater, Diane Abacus, lament, that Dodds woman, the cry baby from Wigan, the gobby Brummie and you say there is little talent in the Tories?
In my opinion all of us will live to regret Sunak ever becoming PM, he doesn't give a monkey for ordinary folk. He bangs on about money like there isn't any in government coffers yet tax revenues are at the highest levels ever, he's clueless that the cost of fuel and energy is the main reason for inflation but all he wants is money to pay financial institutions, you will suffer not him.

Oh and we ain't the only ones suffering the Germans are crapping it about Autumn/winter this year due to their reliance on globalisation they are already making cuts to their energy usage for the general population to protect their industry from shortages and they also have large queues in their airports, funny you don't see much about that on the remainers BBC.
Those wanting PR in elections should take note that despite a looming crisis thanks to the greens sitting in their government they are shutting their remaining three nuclear power stations in the next six months, you couldn't make it up.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ii read an awful lot more than the Mail mate, in fact the Guardian used, untill the real commies invaded it was my favourite.
Penny is not the quality we need and nor is Sunak, Truss if you ignore her wooden stance and delivery said some decent things, Tom came across as Captin sensible but as you say really ain't in the running.
My biggest regret is Wallace disappeared down the pub with Gromit.

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...What did she say that was decent?

Stop levying green tax, slow down the rate of paying off the debt for now will do for starters.

Slow down the rate of repaying the debt….

We haven’t had a year in the last 20 where we made a surplus. So every year we are adding to debt. Not repaying it. Last year we borrowed well over 100Bn and this year will be similar.

There is no rate of repaying the debt. None. We have over a two trillion debt and it’s rising.

I think you mean slow down the rate we are adding to the debt pile more slowly. The problem is none of the policies Truss outlined would slow the rate of borrowing. They’d all increase it.

Thankfully the public regard her as a complete crank so she’s only a ticket for a Labour government and nothing else.

[Worthy4England]

Ii read an awful lot more than the Mail mate, in fact the Guardian used, untill the real commies invaded it was my favourite.
Penny is not the quality we need and nor is Sunak, Truss if you ignore her wooden stance and delivery said some decent things, Tom came across as Captin sensible but as you say really ain't in the running.
My biggest regret is Wallace disappeared down the pub with Gromit.

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...What did she say that was decent?

Stop levying green tax, slow down the rate of paying off the debt for now will do for starters.

Wasn't it labour who were always accused of spend more than you earn? You're going to support "just make it a problem for future generations?" Where's all the Brexit dividend going? Oh and whilst we're about it, I thought the Tory playbook for debt mountains said "austerity is an absolute"

[BWFC_Insane]

Ii read an awful lot more than the Mail mate, in fact the Guardian used, untill the real commies invaded it was my favourite.
Penny is not the quality we need and nor is Sunak, Truss if you ignore her wooden stance and delivery said some decent things, Tom came across as Captin sensible but as you say really ain't in the running.
My biggest regret is Wallace disappeared down the pub with Gromit.

I listened to what Truss said. I'm trying to work out where this stellar growth is coming from that'll pay for her dumbass notions, coz it isn't from the two trade agreements she kept rattling on about...What did she say that was decent?

Stop levying green tax, slow down the rate of paying off the debt for now will do for starters.

Wasn't it labour who were always accused of spend more than you earn? You're going to support "just make it a problem for future generations?" Where's all the Brexit dividend going? Oh and whilst we're about it, I thought the Tory playbook for debt mountains said "austerity is an absolute"

The Tories have statistically borrowed more than labour governments. That’s just a fact.

We can then debate what they’ve done with it and the state they’ve left public services in. It’s not a fact of course but pretty obvious and hard to deny.

So Tories borrow more, waste more and deliver less.

It’s hardly surprising that their latest batch of candidates bar Sunak are all promising Jeremy Corbyn style magic money tree economics as none of them seem to have a clue what they are talking about. Bar Rishi.

In recent times the only two politicians who I think have spoken any real economic sense are Sunak and Rachel Reeves. The rest are all in a dreamland of just either vague or undeliverable promises or worse plain up lying to the electorate.

EDIT and as a caveat I’ve not heard an answer from Sunak to Reeves. It’s just both articulate the problem. But neither can answer it because when they say fiscal responsibility allied to growth they cannot articulate how to achieve that. Because they both know how to achieve it but are barred from saying it….

[Worthy4England]

Well for Truss someone's going to need to explain how half a million quid for a flight to Australia, private jet to Brussels and £3k lunches makes good use of taxpayers money, whilst cutting public services.

[Hoboh]

Well for Truss someone's going to need to explain how half a million quid for a flight to Australia, private jet to Brussels and £3k lunches makes good use of taxpayers money, whilst cutting public services.

Spot on, falls in line with expensive decor and 150 grand planned bomb proof tree house.

[TANGODANCER]

Meanwhile, out in the real world, the powers that be talk nuclear powered submarines with costs in the multi-billions of dollars/pounds etc plus running costs. First time any of them get used, what price elections? Six nations have them not counting Russia, who have ten. Mad Max comes to life.

[Hoboh]

Meanwhile, out in the real world, the powers that be talk nuclear powered submarines with costs in the multi-billions of dollars/pounds etc plus running costs. First time any of them get used, what price elections? Six nations have them not counting Russia, who have ten. Mad Max comes to life.

An evil necessity given the way the world went when Albert messed with his theories

[Hoboh]

After that debate


I give up!

[BWFC_Insane]

After that debate


I give up!

Rishi won according to polling.

He’s the only one I’d have any faith in whatsoever. The rest are screaming Labour win at next election to me. Sunak I suspect would walk an election against Starmer. Rest probably get thumped.

[Bruce Rioja]

After that debate


I give up!

Rishi won according to polling.

He’s the only one I’d have any faith in whatsoever. The rest are screaming Labour win at next election to me. Sunak I suspect would walk an election against Starmer. Rest probably get thumped.

I thought Sunak showed the rest of them up tonight. Well, I thought Tugendhat talked himself out of the running. Yes, yes, thanks for your service and all that (though please stop droning on about it), but what isn't required right now is a novice, and his USP is that he's basically trying to come in on a novice's ticket.

[BWFC_Insane]

After that debate


I give up!

Rishi won according to polling.

He’s the only one I’d have any faith in whatsoever. The rest are screaming Labour win at next election to me. Sunak I suspect would walk an election against Starmer. Rest probably get thumped.

I thought Sunak showed the rest of them up tonight. Well, I thought Tugendhat talked himself out of the running. Yes, yes, thanks for your service and all that (though please stop droning on about it), but what isn't required right now is a novice, and his USP is that he's basically trying to come in on a novice's ticket.

Tom can do what he wants because he knows he has absolutely no chance. He’d have been an absolute shoe in back in say 2008/9. But now with the right wing drift - no.

Sunak has shown them up both nights but sadly the fantasy of Tory members is likely to mean he won’t win either.

You know I’m no Tory but Sunak is mighty impressive and frankly would storm a general election.

The other 3 are pretty awful. I thought Mordaunt would be ok but she’s fallen apart sadly and her history of being less than honest is the final straw.

Rishi vs Liz and down to the Tory members to decide if they want to retain a good majority or spend a decade in the electoral wilderness. Which way do you think they will go?