January 2023 Transfer Window

[GhostoftheBok]

As yet, we've not seen enough of any of our new signings (or I haven't) to see if they're actually any good. One of them hasn't pulled a shirt on yet.

Yes.

If they don't play well in a white shirt it doesn't matter how many we sign.

We can fill an 11 with bodies, as things stand, baring all but the very worst injury crisis.

We need more quality now.

[Prufrock]

On the finances, it's not just about numbers of players.

This is wild speculation but you'd think Dapo and Baka would both in the second quarter of earners (I think having both last signed contracts the summer we came up, as forwards). So I'm guessing in the top earners then overtaken over time. )

Coming in, you'd think Randy also in the second quarter. From the league above, but signed as a defender and unwanted at Hull.

I'd be surprised if we're paying much of Shoretire's wages. United don't need it and much more important to them that he gets the right move to the right club.

Nldundlu Saints clearly don't want but no doubt want to maximise what they can get for him. Last summer they let him go for loan wages Cheltenham could afford so again I don't think will be in the top quarter of wages.

So my finger in the air reckon is we're pretty level/under where we were coming into Jan.

We've also got the Dapo money and if we signed someone specifically to replace Bod (you'd think in our top quarter of earners) it's only 5 months overlap. Plus if they made the difference at Accrington or in the play-off semis they've likely more than paid for themselves (comfortably if we went up).

Easy to say when it's not your money, and I'm not expecting us to throw money around. But I do doubt we're completely on our uppers.

[Worthy4England]

This is wild speculation

It's not that sort of a thread. We wanna see facts...

[GhostoftheBok]

On the finances, it's not just about numbers of players.

This is wild speculation but you'd think Dapo and Baka would both in the second quarter of earners (I think having both last signed contracts the summer we came up, as forwards). So I'm guessing in the top earners then overtaken over time. )

Coming in, you'd think Randy also in the second quarter. From the league above, but signed as a defender and unwanted at Hull.

I'd be surprised if we're paying much of Shoretire's wages. United don't need it and much more important to them that he gets the right move to the right club.

Nldundlu Saints clearly don't want but no doubt want to maximise what they can get for him. Last summer they let him go for loan wages Cheltenham could afford so again I don't think will be in the top quarter of wages.

So my finger in the air reckon is we're pretty level/under where we were coming into Jan.

We've also got the Dapo money and if we signed someone specifically to replace Bod (you'd think in our top quarter of earners) it's only 5 months overlap. Plus if they made the difference at Accrington or in the play-off semis they've likely more than paid for themselves (comfortably if we went up).

Easy to say when it's not your money, and I'm not expecting us to throw money around. But I do doubt we're completely on our uppers.

On Shoretire, we are probably paying a decent amount there. He was given an increase fairly recently due to his first team role and unless Utd have changed how they work in past 5-6 years their youth set up runs its own finances, so will want as much as possible paid to balance their sheets. I have no idea what that all adds up to, but it won't be the "basically free" loans people talk about as existing. He will have cost us less than a permanent signing of real quality in that position, though.

Attackers cost the most money, generally in football. We will (hopefully) have added at least 3 by the time this window closes, with a gain of 1 over previous numbers of paid employees.

I don't think we're going bankrupt off the back of it, but we will have put money in.

How much of the Dapo money Evatt gets I have no idea, but it's hard to imagine he'll see all of it. We have at least £1m of infrastructure work that needs doing in the summer.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Is it just me worried about midfield depth?

No. But if it helps slightly ease that issue, there's more chance of BWFCi coming out of this window tipping us to win the league then Dempsey disappearing for, ahem, legal issues any time soon. He's only just appeared in the Mags to plead.

In a properly functioning criminal justice system that trial would still be over 6 months away. Now? I think the most likely option will be "do you remember when Kyle Dempsey played for us? We'll he's just had his trial and..."

Thank you. This is indeed partly reassuring (as a Wanderer if not necessarily a citizen).

He's still rarely far from a muscle tweak, though, and whether he's in the treatment room or the prison canteen, he's still not in our midfield. Cross fingers he continues to show fitness and form, but I'd like another in anyway. We have some bonkers match-filled periods coming up (as well as a weird 20-day silence).

[sonicthewhite]

And Isgrove could be on his way as well......

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... er-window/

[Prufrock]

On the finances, it's not just about numbers of players.

This is wild speculation but you'd think Dapo and Baka would both in the second quarter of earners (I think having both last signed contracts the summer we came up, as forwards). So I'm guessing in the top earners then overtaken over time. )

Coming in, you'd think Randy also in the second quarter. From the league above, but signed as a defender and unwanted at Hull.

I'd be surprised if we're paying much of Shoretire's wages. United don't need it and much more important to them that he gets the right move to the right club.

Nldundlu Saints clearly don't want but no doubt want to maximise what they can get for him. Last summer they let him go for loan wages Cheltenham could afford so again I don't think will be in the top quarter of wages.

So my finger in the air reckon is we're pretty level/under where we were coming into Jan.

We've also got the Dapo money and if we signed someone specifically to replace Bod (you'd think in our top quarter of earners) it's only 5 months overlap. Plus if they made the difference at Accrington or in the play-off semis they've likely more than paid for themselves (comfortably if we went up).

Easy to say when it's not your money, and I'm not expecting us to throw money around. But I do doubt we're completely on our uppers.

On Shoretire, we are probably paying a decent amount there. He was given an increase fairly recently due to his first team role and unless Utd have changed how they work in past 5-6 years their youth set up runs its own finances, so will want as much as possible paid to balance their sheets. I have no idea what that all adds up to, but it won't be the "basically free" loans people talk about as existing. He will have cost us less than a permanent signing of real quality in that position, though.

Attackers cost the most money, generally in football. We will (hopefully) have added at least 3 by the time this window closes, with a gain of 1 over previous numbers of paid employees.

I don't think we're going bankrupt off the back of it, but we will have put money in.

How much of the Dapo money Evatt gets I have no idea, but it's hard to imagine he'll see all of it. We have at least £1m of infrastructure work that needs doing in the summer.

Interesting. Do you know how common the FM type loan is where you pay less of their wages when they play and more when they don't? Either way assuming he's signed to play 10 he's going to feature in pretty much every game as Kieran rarely does 90.

I've no idea at all what appetite/ability the board have to spend. We're obviously not throwing loads at it, but they seem happy to fund a certain amount of losses (presumably on the basis that share in a Champo club are worth more than those of a L2 club)!

[GhostoftheBok]

Interesting. Do you know how common the FM type loan is where you pay less of their wages when they play and more when they don't?

Typically clubs want to know in advance what their outlays will be. That's increasingly true with young lads now, as more and more clubs are splitting the finances of their academies/reserves off from the main team. Partly for genuine financial reasons and partly to give managers at those levels a better platform to jump up to full management in the future.

It does happen and there are often penalties in contracts for clubs not meeting minimum requirements, but those tend to be over longer periods than game-by-game.

[BWFC_Insane]

Lots of comments about ‘well this player wasn’t doing much’ and I have absolutely no issue there. We still had 4 strikers at senior level and Evatt made great play of that and how we needed it as no striker should be playing 90 minutes given how we ask them to work.

So it’s clear we need to do stuff there. It’s also true that Bod, Baka and Dapo all have had goal scoring spells with us. We have Kachunga who hasn’t. And a young lad making his way who has 6 league goals to his career total.

I think as a Baka replacement that’s fair enough. We needed a number ten regardless so shoretire fine. But Dapo hasn’t been replaced in the role he’s played most of his time in. And now Bod is out. That leaves two holes. If Kachunga is considered one of those (god help us) that still leaves one considerable hole to fill up top in January.

[GhostoftheBok]

But Dapo hasn’t been replaced in the role he’s played most of his time in.

So we need a left winger?

[The_Gun]

One more, high quality, striker would be fine for me.

If John, Sadlier and/or Isgrove leave then I'd say we should bring in reinforcements on a one-for-one basis. The issue, obviously, being players of sufficient ability being available to us.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

One more, high quality, striker would be fine for me.

If John, Sadlier and/or Isgrove leave then I'd say we should bring in reinforcements on a one-for-one basis. The issue, obviously, being players of sufficient ability being available to us.

Ah but would you replace them first?

[Worthy4England]

But Dapo hasn’t been replaced in the role he’s played most of his time in.

So we need a left winger?

That doesn't fit. He's a forward, for today's purposes, even though we didn't miss him, scored 7 and conceded 0...

[Worthy4England]

One more, high quality, striker would be fine for me.

If John, Sadlier and/or Isgrove leave then I'd say we should bring in reinforcements on a one-for-one basis. The issue, obviously, being players of sufficient ability being available to us.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. Even a short term 4 month loanee we have no intention of necessarily keeping, would be fine by me.

[GhostoftheBok]

That doesn't fit. He's a forward, for today's purposes, even though we didn't miss him, scored 7 and conceded 0...

You suspect he'll have be absolutely vital if we lose today and overrated if we win.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

One more, high quality, striker would be fine for me.

If John, Sadlier and/or Isgrove leave then I'd say we should bring in reinforcements on a one-for-one basis. The issue, obviously, being players of sufficient ability being available to us.

Yeah, that's where I'm at. Even a short term 4 month loanee we have no intention of necessarily keeping, would be fine by me.

Yeah, me too. Ideally one that could impress and we might retain next season, but that doesn't always work - for every Dapo a Fossey.

Although I do have to question whether, if/when John goes, we would get another LWB. If John and Sadlier both go, it might feel like it, but still. Note that Evatt has also said in the past he thinks Isgrove could play either WB role. That's as may be but with Randy promising and Beck looking better in his cameos, I'm not sure LWB is a priority. (prioirite a gauche?)

One in one out, perhaps, but not necessarily like for like.

[GhostoftheBok]

If we only get one more forward in I'd strongly favour keeping Sads here until the summer.

As annoyed with him as I am for his general tactical work, he's one of the few we can hope to get an attacking impact off the bench.

Were it a choice between Lloyd (who I trust to do the work) or Sads, I'd say we need the impact sub more in the current squad.

[Worthy4England]

Yeah I saying one more up top, is assuming we don't unload three others who might add a bit

[BWFC_Insane]

But Dapo hasn’t been replaced in the role he’s played most of his time in.

So we need a left winger?

That doesn't fit. He's a forward, for today's purposes, even though we didn't miss him, scored 7 and conceded 0...

This is missing the point. He has played a number of games and our work is clearly based on having 4 strikers to perm from. Dapo hasn’t been at his best most of this season. But we’ve lost him, Baka and Bod in a few weeks. If someone had said that a month ago people would be scratching their heads.

My major issue is that with Bods injury we now very clearly are worse off up front than we have been the rest of the season.

[Worthy4England]

I understand the point. But, you've conveniently put Dapo as a forward to make the point. He's a LW or not a brilliant 10, in they way we've typically used him. At the moment, we're two attacking positions gone and two added.