January 2023 Transfer Window

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:05 pm

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I see Haaland only has 4 hat tricks this season. One behind the record. Pep can’t be happy. He’s on his way.
Good example of a player being so good that it doesn't matter if he doesn't fit ideally into how you want to play, you make it work around him.

Any such player is very welcome.
They’ve had him, Aguero both in that category. Haaland is a freak of nature though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better striker than him. He’s just the complete package in every regard.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:11 pm

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They’ve had him, Aguero both in that category. Haaland is a freak of nature though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better striker than him. He’s just the complete package in every regard.
He can and will get better. As a goal scorer he's one of the best I've ever seen already. With the ball at feet outside the 18 yard box he needs work and he's at the right club for it.

Will be amazed if he doesn't retired regarded as one of the best ever to play.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:16 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
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They’ve had him, Aguero both in that category. Haaland is a freak of nature though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a better striker than him. He’s just the complete package in every regard.
He can and will get better. As a goal scorer he's one of the best I've ever seen already. With the ball at feet outside the 18 yard box he needs work and he's at the right club for it.

Will be amazed if he doesn't retired regarded as one of the best ever to play.
That’s true. I wouldn’t want to change him too much if it were me. Look at what spurs have done to Kane. Yes he’s brilliant at the work in the hole now (ooooo errrrr) but he’s lost a lot of his on the shoulder stuff as a result. And I preferred earlier razor sharp Kane to this hybrid version.

Sometimes the modern game refines out of players what makes them great. I hope Pep doesn’t do that with Erling. The kids special. Let him be.

Earlier question - do we have any lists of strikers from tier above who may be available?

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:21 pm

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Earlier question - do we have any lists of strikers from tier above who may be available?
I did one a few pages back mate

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:30 pm

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That’s true. I wouldn’t want to change him too much if it were me. Look at what spurs have done to Kane. Yes he’s brilliant at the work in the hole now (ooooo errrrr) but he’s lost a lot of his on the shoulder stuff as a result. And I preferred earlier razor sharp Kane to this hybrid version.

Sometimes the modern game refines out of players what makes them great. I hope Pep doesn’t do that with Erling. The kids special. Let him be.

Earlier question - do we have any lists of strikers from tier above who may be available?
I agree with that about Haaland, though not about Kane. I think Spurs did the right thing with the players they had around Kane at the time and had one of the best attacks in Europe at the time. Haaland has to be allowed to continue to be the Ghengis Khan of strikers, though.

As DSB said, he did a list - however I like this Adeboyejo talk. From one side you could say "could have had him for free in the summer", but we couldn't. He, like Nlundulu, wanted guaranteed games and he went to Burton for that, but in exchange they put a pretty low release clause in his contract. If we could sneak a march on Championship clubs who've looked at triggering that clause (Hull, Luton, etc) then we might do well there. Wouldn't say no if he's really the target.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:35 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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Earlier question - do we have any lists of strikers from tier above who may be available?
I did one a few pages back mate
Cheers. Missed that. Just had a look.

Martin is one who jumps out who potentially (no idea how fit he is) adds goals but you’d need to sacrifice a lot to get that.

Maguire is a good player of fit but has a dreadful goal return.

Scott don’t know enough about but his lack of goals even up North again would be a worry in a side that lacks them.

None of them strike me as ideal to replace Dad Bod who probably is better as an option than them.

Scott I guess could be developed.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:37 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:30 pm
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Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:16 pm
That’s true. I wouldn’t want to change him too much if it were me. Look at what spurs have done to Kane. Yes he’s brilliant at the work in the hole now (ooooo errrrr) but he’s lost a lot of his on the shoulder stuff as a result. And I preferred earlier razor sharp Kane to this hybrid version.

Sometimes the modern game refines out of players what makes them great. I hope Pep doesn’t do that with Erling. The kids special. Let him be.

Earlier question - do we have any lists of strikers from tier above who may be available?
I agree with that about Haaland, though not about Kane. I think Spurs did the right thing with the players they had around Kane at the time and had one of the best attacks in Europe at the time. Haaland has to be allowed to continue to be the Ghengis Khan of strikers, though.

As DSB said, he did a list - however I like this Adeboyejo talk. From one side you could say "could have had him for free in the summer", but we couldn't. He, like Nlundulu, wanted guaranteed games and he went to Burton for that, but in exchange they put a pretty low release clause in his contract. If we could sneak a march on Championship clubs who've looked at triggering that clause (Hull, Luton, etc) then we might do well there. Wouldn't say no if he's really the target.
Adeboyejo is good. But cup tied. So we’d need another that isn’t.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:39 pm

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Adeboyejo is good. But cup tied. So we’d need another that isn’t.
In an ideal world, absolutely.

I'd say if the choice was between a good striker who is cup tied and an iffy one that isn't, I'd take the good one and hope to fudge the cup...if that term doesn't stir up too many "2 girls 1 cup" images.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:47 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:39 pm
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Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:37 pm
Adeboyejo is good. But cup tied. So we’d need another that isn’t.
In an ideal world, absolutely.

I'd say if the choice was between a good striker who is cup tied and an iffy one that isn't, I'd take the good one and hope to fudge the cup...if that term doesn't stir up too many "2 girls 1 cup" images.
It stirs up a very unpleasant and angry night at Accrington should we lose. It also creates a situation where should Charles be injured pre Wembley (if we get there) going there without any strikers. I’m not sure either would be a good thing. Especially given the number ten we’ve signed also can’t play.

I get the whole argument that we sign best we can. But we’d make close to 8 times the income from a run to Wembley as we would from the fee we got for Baka. Which sort of shows that the finances of football are a bit more complex than we might like to admit. I think if we end up playing a semi final without a proper strike force it would be a poor do. I’m pretty pragmatic. I spent years arguing that the premiership was more important than European cup runs. But even I’d be pretty furious if that transpired.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:52 pm

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Similar vein and putting aside the amounts, having them all on the same wedge, would not be a good idea. I have to say, if that table is even approximately correct, there's a few you'd probably say we weren't getting the "money's worth" from..
In which case sack them or move them on. That's what happens with workers in any industry you care to name. Then again, it's pipe-dreaming I know, so why bother. Having a rant is all part of the fun...
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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by officer_dibble » Sun Jan 22, 2023 4:58 pm

feck* hell you just gave me a flashback to playing at Wembley with no centre midfielders. Thanks for that.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:01 pm

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feck* hell you just gave me a flashback to playing at Wembley with no centre midfielders. Thanks for that.
Yeah. And let’s be honest we all think promotion via the play offs would be amazing, should be the aim but is a long shot. Whereas winning the EFL trophy is very doable. If we give ourselves a chance.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:01 pm

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It stirs up a very unpleasant and angry night at Accrington should we lose. It also creates a situation where should Charles be injured pre Wembley (if we get there) going there without any strikers. I’m not sure either would be a good thing. Especially given the number ten we’ve signed also can’t play.

I get the whole argument that we sign best we can. But we’d make close to 8 times the income from a run to Wembley as we would from the fee we got for Baka. Which sort of shows that the finances of football are a bit more complex than we might like to admit. I think if we end up playing a semi final without a proper strike force it would be a poor do. I’m pretty pragmatic. I spent years arguing that the premiership was more important than European cup runs. But even I’d be pretty furious if that transpired.
Don't get me wrong. I want to win that cup. Not just for the money or anything else, but because I want my kids to come to Wembley with me and watch us win something.

However, if we can get Ade in I would. I'd then hope we do more business, but I'd take the quality we can get when we can get it.

Ideally we'll then get another striker, a midfielder and something in defence, but I won't hold my breath.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:32 am

“We know the [transfer window] timescales – we can’t do anything about them. It is nothing I don’t know. All the people worrying and thinking ‘what are we doing?’ - I know what we need and what we are looking for, we have identified the players we want, and we are working very hard to make it happen.”

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Worthy4England » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:39 am

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“We know the [transfer window] timescales – we can’t do anything about them. It is nothing I don’t know. All the people worrying and thinking ‘what are we doing?’ - I know what we need and what we are looking for, we have identified the players we want, and we are working very hard to make it happen.”
This suggests, there's more than one and we might have some way of getting them (e.g. they're not anyone we've missed out on)...Hopefully the landing net is out thus week.

I think he's also telling Insano to stop panicking... :-)

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by sonicthewhite » Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:40 am

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Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:32 am
“We know the [transfer window] timescales – we can’t do anything about them. It is nothing I don’t know. All the people worrying and thinking ‘what are we doing?’ - I know what we need and what we are looking for, we have identified the players we want, and we are working very hard to make it happen.”
That's the thing though isn't it? It's all well and good people saying we should sign this and we should sign that, but at the end of the day, if said player doesn't want to come here then there's nothing Evatt can do about it but move on to the next best option. That's the thing with football and signing players it all comes down to which options are available and WANT to sign for your club. As always................
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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:24 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:39 am
Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:32 am
“We know the [transfer window] timescales – we can’t do anything about them. It is nothing I don’t know. All the people worrying and thinking ‘what are we doing?’ - I know what we need and what we are looking for, we have identified the players we want, and we are working very hard to make it happen.”
This suggests, there's more than one and we might have some way of getting them (e.g. they're not anyone we've missed out on)...Hopefully the landing net is out thus week.

I think he's also telling Insano to stop panicking... :-)
Its fair enough but I'd add. We're always having to wait for players to sign because their club wants to have the replacement there. Many, many windows we've lost out because the dominos didn't fall and said player wasn't allowed to leave. We let Dapo go without a replacement in place (as far as we know) and knowing JDB was out for the season. That for me is something I'd question - lets say the top targets don't materialise we could end up being forced to sign a far worse player than Dapo to make up the numbers.

And yes I know the reply will be 'don't always have a choice etc' its just funny how we always have to wait for these things to happen yet seemingly when we sell our players there is a consistent pattern of shunt them out regardless and hope for the best. I have no issue in the summer but January it just is concerning as its a tight market and a good striker who replaces the qualities Dapo had (even if he wasn't consistently showing them) and replaces JDB now (not our fault that one) is not easy.

I'd add my only real objection is we sold Dapo even after we knew JDB was a serious injury. That's the bit that rankles. Could have easily asked him to sit tight whilst we found a replacement first as we have had to do on countless occasions. I get that's risky but given we're not talking a huge deal I think it's more risk to not have done that.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by The_Gun » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:29 am

Isn't Shoretire the replacement for Dapo this season?

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by GhostoftheBok » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:27 am

The_Gun wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:29 am
Isn't Shoretire the replacement for Dapo this season?
Yes. That's inconvenient for the line of argument, though.

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Re: January 2023 Transfer Window

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:28 am

GhostoftheBok wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:27 am
The_Gun wrote:
Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:29 am
Isn't Shoretire the replacement for Dapo this season?
Yes. That's inconvenient for the line of argument, though.
Depends which argument. Is Claude Rains available?

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