Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Of course you do. Because your default is doom-mongering.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:27 pmYeah we had Charles off the post and then the series of shots. I agree. We had chances to make it two.
But I still think overall we very easily could have lost it.
For what it's worth, I'm in agreement that Mbete had a poor game, and that (all things being equal) he wouldn't be starting. But I disagree that playing him means immediate and automatic defeats for the rest of the season (you're being ridiculous, and you know it), and I disagree that getting rid of Aimson was somehow a mistake. Aimson wasn't sticking around to be bit-part any longer, not many sides in this division wouldn't look weaker in any given position with two bona-fide first teamers out injured, and it's not as if Aimson was signed by a promotion rival. He went to a team with a much lower ceiling than us, much lower ambitions, for the sake of first-team action week in week out.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
My point wasn’t that we shouldn’t have sold Aimson it’s that we should have replaced him with a proper league one centre half especially as at the time Johnston was out and Mbete was thrust straight in. You can’t even argue it was just a squad filler. He came in and started. And what we needed was a proper replacement with experience and capability.truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 pmOf course you do. Because your default is doom-mongering.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:27 pmYeah we had Charles off the post and then the series of shots. I agree. We had chances to make it two.
But I still think overall we very easily could have lost it.
For what it's worth, I'm in agreement that Mbete had a poor game, and that (all things being equal) he wouldn't be starting. But I disagree that playing him means immediate and automatic defeats for the rest of the season (you're being ridiculous, and you know it), and I disagree that getting rid of Aimson was somehow a mistake. Aimson wasn't sticking around to be bit-part any longer, not many sides in this division wouldn't look weaker in any given position with two bona-fide first teamers out injured, and it's not as if Aimson was signed by a promotion rival. He went to a team with a much lower ceiling than us, much lower ambitions, for the sake of first-team action week in week out.
It was a mistake. Every team will be targeting our left hand side now. Because John isn’t a great defender and then Mbete is struggling all over.
That’s the concern I have. It looks a huge liability to me. Cambridge aren’t very good but got a lot of joy down there. As did Exeter but couldn’t finish it off.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
But any "proper league one centre half" would have a) cost cold, hard cash and 2) known that they were coming in as first or second alternate AT BEST. They'd be behind Rico, Johnston, Toal and Jones, if all were fit. Anybody willing to sign in those circumstances, you would have complained that they weren't good enough anyway.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:53 pmMy point wasn’t that we shouldn’t have sold Aimson it’s that we should have replaced him with a proper league one centre half especially as at the time Johnston was out and Mbete was thrust straight in. You can’t even argue it was just a squad filler. He came in and started. And what we needed was a proper replacement with experience and capability.truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:48 pmOf course you do. Because your default is doom-mongering.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:27 pmYeah we had Charles off the post and then the series of shots. I agree. We had chances to make it two.
But I still think overall we very easily could have lost it.
For what it's worth, I'm in agreement that Mbete had a poor game, and that (all things being equal) he wouldn't be starting. But I disagree that playing him means immediate and automatic defeats for the rest of the season (you're being ridiculous, and you know it), and I disagree that getting rid of Aimson was somehow a mistake. Aimson wasn't sticking around to be bit-part any longer, not many sides in this division wouldn't look weaker in any given position with two bona-fide first teamers out injured, and it's not as if Aimson was signed by a promotion rival. He went to a team with a much lower ceiling than us, much lower ambitions, for the sake of first-team action week in week out.
It was a mistake. Every team will be targeting our left hand side now. Because John isn’t a great defender and then Mbete is struggling all over.
That’s the concern I have. It looks a huge liability to me. Cambridge aren’t very good but got a lot of joy down there. As did Exeter but couldn’t finish it off.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
What on earth went on with Evatt & his thought process that whilst playing shit but fortunately winning 1-0 he would bring on 2 attackers instead of bringing MJ Williams on to play DM to see the win out.
Absolutely baffling decision.
Absolutely baffling decision.
Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Probs thought the best form of defence is attack. We all know how we're missing players. Keep them suppressed in their own half.Bertie Wooster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:03 pmWhat on earth went on with Evatt & his thought process that whilst playing shit but fortunately winning 1-0 he would bring on 2 attackers instead of bringing MJ Williams on to play DM to see the win out.
Absolutely baffling decision.
What would be said if he did bring on MJ and we tried to hold out a 1 nil win and conceded two?
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
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Not having that. He left Morley in on his own with Kachunga and Lee not sure what they were meant to be doing.DJBlu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:07 pmProbs thought the best form of defence is attack. We all know how we're missing players. Keep them suppressed in their own half.Bertie Wooster wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:03 pmWhat on earth went on with Evatt & his thought process that whilst playing shit but fortunately winning 1-0 he would bring on 2 attackers instead of bringing MJ Williams on to play DM to see the win out.
Absolutely baffling decision.
What would be said if he did bring on MJ and we tried to hold out a 1 nil win and conceded two?
Damned if you do damned if you don't.
We’ve not done that all season. It’s not like playing MJ and Morley would have been particularly negative. It would have just given us an actual midfield. It was baffling to me.
Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Why not ask him next time you see him?
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
If you do see him, can you also please ask why we played so ponderously slowly with a complete lack of tempo - we play better & win more when we play quicker at a higher tempo & move the ball quicker.
Surely that's something that can be quite easily instilled in the team by the coach / manager ?, it was like walking football at times today.
Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Genuinely can't be arsed with this. It's like people are waiting for them to feck up just to have a go.
We're 6th in the league with a trophy in the cabinet and you're raging at the fact we've drawn a game.
It's genuinely depressing.
We're 6th in the league with a trophy in the cabinet and you're raging at the fact we've drawn a game.
It's genuinely depressing.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
So its Mbete at the moment that isn't good enough is it? I guess you've already banged (bung??) on about Santos, Dapo, Bradley, Shoretire - to name but 4 - that aren't good enough, so there can't be many left to unfairly lambast on before then end of the season....BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:49 pmKeep coming back to Mbete signing. We let Aimson go cos he had a great offer. Fair play. But he was a solid 7/10 never let you down experienced defender.
We replaced him with a kid who looks like he’s playing with his shoelaces tied together. And he’s played a fair bit too. We also knew Johnston was out at this point.
Why wasn’t an experienced and competent centre half signed?
I don’t think we can play Mbete again this season and expect anything. So we’ve either got to play MJ there or change the system. I don’t really fancy Jones and Johnston as a back two either. But playing Luke is simply not an option. Probably a lovely kid but he’s going to cost us a play off spot. And in reality it’s not his fault. He should never ever ever have been signed in this scenario.
As for Mbete, wasn't he a last minute panic stop-gap once Johnstone got injured against Charlton? Didn't we only have a day or so left in the transfer window to try to get cover in? Maybe - just maybe - the "experienced and competent centre half" you wanted just wasn't available?
Oh yeah, and he isn't going to cost us a play off spot on his own. Far from it. He might end up being part of a team that doesn't ultimately make them, but to pin it on him is ludicrous even by your standards....
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Mbete was signed to replace Aimson. We let an experienced one go. And we knew Johnston was out too.dave the minion wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:48 pmSo its Mbete at the moment that isn't good enough is it? I guess you've already banged (bung??) on about Santos, Dapo, Bradley, Shoretire - to name but 4 - that aren't good enough, so there can't be many left to unfairly lambast on before then end of the season....BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:49 pmKeep coming back to Mbete signing. We let Aimson go cos he had a great offer. Fair play. But he was a solid 7/10 never let you down experienced defender.
We replaced him with a kid who looks like he’s playing with his shoelaces tied together. And he’s played a fair bit too. We also knew Johnston was out at this point.
Why wasn’t an experienced and competent centre half signed?
I don’t think we can play Mbete again this season and expect anything. So we’ve either got to play MJ there or change the system. I don’t really fancy Jones and Johnston as a back two either. But playing Luke is simply not an option. Probably a lovely kid but he’s going to cost us a play off spot. And in reality it’s not his fault. He should never ever ever have been signed in this scenario.
As for Mbete, wasn't he a last minute panic stop-gap once Johnstone got injured against Charlton? Didn't we only have a day or so left in the transfer window to try to get cover in? Maybe - just maybe - the "experienced and competent centre half" you wanted just wasn't available?
Oh yeah, and he isn't going to cost us a play off spot on his own. Far from it. He might end up being part of a team that doesn't ultimately make them, but to pin it on him is ludicrous even by your standards....
Which to me just screams had to ensure we had someone more proven to come in.
Sure it may not have been possible. But if it costs us then we have to learn for next season.
Can’t go with kids at level of Mbete and Shoretire ever again if you really want to get out of this league. They aren’t cutting it. More established older ones fine. But if they’ve barely played men’s football look elsewhere…
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Yep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Oh.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Again…if you read what I said…I distinguished between one’s like Bradley and Trafford who are both more established and in Bradley’s case older….truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:06 pmYep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Kids on fringes of premiership first teams is one thing….ones who’ve spent their whole times playing in u23s or whatever…then it’s too big an ask.
Nobody would ever say don’t sign youngsters…but there is a particular profile that has worked and one that hasn’t.
Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
At the time we signed Trafford he was nowhere near first team - he was at least 5th choice keeper, and had been sent back from his loan at Accrington as not good enough.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:10 pmAgain…if you read what I said…I distinguished between one’s like Bradley and Trafford who are both more established and in Bradley’s case older….truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:06 pmYep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Kids on fringes of premiership first teams is one thing….ones who’ve spent their whole times playing in u23s or whatever…then it’s too big an ask.
Nobody would ever say don’t sign youngsters…but there is a particular profile that has worked and one that hasn’t.
Meanwhile Liverpool think so much of Bradley that-"Calvin Ramsay: Liverpool sign Aberdeen defender described as ‘one of the best young full-backs in the world" - and push Bradley further away from the Premier League.
Hindsight makes things look so easy
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Mbete was fine when he started with us. Solid, assured and even chipped in with a goal. When the team started to struggle as a whole and he was under greater scrutiny, then some of the flaws in his game became more obvious. Talk of never playing him again is just daft though. He's a young lad with bags of ability and we need him right now. He'll be reet.
Shoretire worrys me more. At Charlton I thought we'd unearthed a real gem but his performances have majorly deteriorated since then. I'm sure he's still got something to offer but probably more as a potential impact sub.
Shoretire worrys me more. At Charlton I thought we'd unearthed a real gem but his performances have majorly deteriorated since then. I'm sure he's still got something to offer but probably more as a potential impact sub.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Connor Bradley - 19 years old.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:10 pmAgain…if you read what I said…I distinguished between one’s like Bradley and Trafford who are both more established and in Bradley’s case older….truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:06 pmYep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Kids on fringes of premiership first teams is one thing….ones who’ve spent their whole times playing in u23s or whatever…then it’s too big an ask.
Nobody would ever say don’t sign youngsters…but there is a particular profile that has worked and one that hasn’t.
Luke Mbete - 19 years old.
If you weren't so prone to ludicrous hyperbole, people would stop arguing with the crap you spout.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
One things for sure the panning they are both getting online tonight won’t help either - Mbete will be playing for the foreseeable.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
I mean Trafford had played men’s football when we signed him albeit not too successfully but had also represented England up to u20’s and Bradley was a full international.bw@bw wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:39 pmAt the time we signed Trafford he was nowhere near first team - he was at least 5th choice keeper, and had been sent back from his loan at Accrington as not good enough.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:10 pmAgain…if you read what I said…I distinguished between one’s like Bradley and Trafford who are both more established and in Bradley’s case older….truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:06 pmYep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Kids on fringes of premiership first teams is one thing….ones who’ve spent their whole times playing in u23s or whatever…then it’s too big an ask.
Nobody would ever say don’t sign youngsters…but there is a particular profile that has worked and one that hasn’t.
Meanwhile Liverpool think so much of Bradley that-"Calvin Ramsay: Liverpool sign Aberdeen defender described as ‘one of the best young full-backs in the world" - and push Bradley further away from the Premier League.
Hindsight makes things look so easy
Any signing is a risk. Signing young players is a risk. No matter what.
But there are levels to it. Shoretire was a stage behind Bradley and Trafford when we signed him and it shows. It’s fine if we were mid table but he and Mbete with the best will in the world aren’t what we needed for a promotion push.
If that means next season we have to go for some more solid experienced pros then so be it. But second half of the season I think we’ve suffered for our January decisions.
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Re: Pints, Punts and Points. Home v Cambridge United, Easter Monday 3-0'clock
Not a big number, but I think I'm right in saying Shortire has more first team appearances than the other three...BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:10 pmAgain…if you read what I said…I distinguished between one’s like Bradley and Trafford who are both more established and in Bradley’s case older….truewhite15 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:06 pmYep. Never ever sign kids. They all turn out sh*te, says BWFC-I. All those kids, like Trafford and Bradley...
Oh.
Kids on fringes of premiership first teams is one thing….ones who’ve spent their whole times playing in u23s or whatever…then it’s too big an ask.
Nobody would ever say don’t sign youngsters…but there is a particular profile that has worked and one that hasn’t.
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