Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

[Worthy4England]

^^ Yup TW15 - long way to go. It's like calling the season out in September...See where we finish when our business is concluded.

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh for sure. No panic. It’s a bit concerning but we know the types of players we need and hopefully we find more like that out there. I’m not interested in loaning teenagers - that’s not how we will get promoted. So let’s hope Evatt and Markham have properly got a decent list.

Plenty of midfield types round but wing back worries me more as we need that effective attacking type and not many like Wilson.

[Worthy4England]

Oh for sure. No panic. It’s a bit concerning but we know the types of players we need and hopefully we find more like that out there. I’m not interested in loaning teenagers - that’s not how we will get promoted. So let’s hope Evatt and Markham have properly got a decent list.

Plenty of midfield types round but wing back worries me more as we need that effective attacking type and not many like Wilson.

To be mate, whether you're interested in loaning teenagers or not probably isn't going to sway our recruitment dept. Evatt doesn't mind loaning teenagers, two of which were our PoTY and JPoTY last year. Beck didn't really produce, so he wasn't here very long. Shortire didn't really produce, so he sorta got sidelined. I'm not currently thinking there won't be loans and Fossey was also a loan albeit not a teenager, as was Kioso. So whilst our first preference might be to "buy," I wouldn't be too miffed with decent loanees, with the focus on decent, rather than whether they're 19 or not.

[TANGODANCER]

There have to be reasons. Taking things for granted applies to life, not just football, but the club will always know things those outside the magic circle cannot. It's a vicious money orientated game and we've surely learned some hard lessons over recent years. Better surely to adopt a Festina Lente approach than chancing both arms on just red or black. Sharron, the manager and the board have put us firmly back in the game, so trust is the only way to go. I can/do, live with that.

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh for sure. No panic. It’s a bit concerning but we know the types of players we need and hopefully we find more like that out there. I’m not interested in loaning teenagers - that’s not how we will get promoted. So let’s hope Evatt and Markham have properly got a decent list.

Plenty of midfield types round but wing back worries me more as we need that effective attacking type and not many like Wilson.

To be mate, whether you're interested in loaning teenagers or not probably isn't going to sway our recruitment dept. Evatt doesn't mind loaning teenagers, two of which were our PoTY and JPoTY last year. Beck didn't really produce, so he wasn't here very long. Shortire didn't really produce, so he sorta got sidelined. I'm not currently thinking there won't be loans and Fossey was also a loan albeit not a teenager, as was Kioso. So whilst our first preference might be to "buy," I wouldn't be too miffed with decent loanees, with the focus on decent, rather than whether they're 19 or not.

No issue with loans. It’s part of the business. But I’m saying now if our ambitions are to (as repeatedly stated) secure automatic promotion we won’t do that relying on 18/19 year olds loanees who have barely played any football. The odd one of those as a flexible option sure. But it’s not going to cut it in totality. In my view.

Im aware my view has no impact whatsoever on what actually transpires but it’s an opinion I have.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

[BWFC_Insane]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

Which is presumably then the fault of the older lads...

[BWFC_Insane]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

Which is presumably then the fault of the older lads...

I mean collective. But the point still stands for me. We weren’t good enough with Bradley who is probably as good a young prem loan as you will find. We need that extra edge in midfield and I don’t think that comes from an 18 year old or whatever. I think a rotation attacking youngster who has impact makes sense. Or a youngster to maybe cover LWB. But yeah not keen on those being our key players unless they are already at a level that clearly demonstrates their ability in real men’s football.

[truewhite15]

I'm hearing "won't win anything with kids".

[Prufrock]

It's a bit reductive. You live or die by your recruitment. I think it's fair to say young, green loanees are a bigger risk. So I'd be more nervous. But Traf and Bradley had no track record and were two of our best players last year.

If we don't get Wilson, Flick or Baccus, and instead get three 19 year olds I'd be worried, because the odds of all 3 being of the level we need or relatively slim. But it's not a bald fact.

[sonicthewhite]

Dempsey has signed a two year extension. Good news that.

[Worthy4England]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

Which is presumably then the fault of the older lads...

I mean collective. But the point still stands for me. We weren’t good enough with Bradley who is probably as good a young prem loan as you will find. We need that extra edge in midfield and I don’t think that comes from an 18 year old or whatever. I think a rotation attacking youngster who has impact makes sense. Or a youngster to maybe cover LWB. But yeah not keen on those being our key players unless they are already at a level that clearly demonstrates their ability in real men’s football.

I genuinely don't understand why you keep coming back to Bradley. He wasn't noticeably any worse than LWB's whose balls had already dropped. His stats were certainly no worse than the various LWB players. Yet he gets singled out as the problem. I think we all agree we need more in MF (I certainly do - and something different than we already have), but I'd be happy to have Bradley back next season, assuming we got a better spread in MF.

[Worthy4England]

Dempsey has signed a two year extension. Good news that.

I'm guessing we might not need to look for the 16:30 teaser today then!

[BWFC_Insane]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

Which is presumably then the fault of the older lads...

I mean collective. But the point still stands for me. We weren’t good enough with Bradley who is probably as good a young prem loan as you will find. We need that extra edge in midfield and I don’t think that comes from an 18 year old or whatever. I think a rotation attacking youngster who has impact makes sense. Or a youngster to maybe cover LWB. But yeah not keen on those being our key players unless they are already at a level that clearly demonstrates their ability in real men’s football.

I genuinely don't understand why you keep coming back to Bradley. He wasn't noticeably any worse than LWB's whose balls had already dropped. His stats were certainly no worse than the various LWB players. Yet he gets singled out as the problem. I think we all agree we need more in MF (I certainly do - and something different than we already have), but I'd be happy to have Bradley back next season, assuming we got a better spread in MF.

It’s not that. It’s saying we weren’t good enough last season so we need to improve on that. Bradley coming back would still leave us needing to improve in other key areas.

It’s more what Pru is saying that I just don’t think we can do that with just teenage loans. We need more experience than that. More proven capability. It’s not that we shouldn’t sign loans. It’s more that with these deals falling through I hope plan b is similar types at similar age profiles and not hoping a bunch of teenage loans come good.

[TANGODANCER]

Dempsey has signed a two year extension. Good news that.

Good news indeed. Division I's Jack Grealish. Wait and see,,,

[Worthy4England]

TBF I know what BWFCi means as I had a similar reaction this summer when we were linked with the keeper Beadle - who's younger than Traf was when we first got him. I'd hope the success of Traf and Bradley would encourage clubs to give us loanees who were more nearly the finished article.

But, as noted, Traf and Brad worked well with little senior football behind them, so...

Though we still didn’t go up….

Which is presumably then the fault of the older lads...

I mean collective. But the point still stands for me. We weren’t good enough with Bradley who is probably as good a young prem loan as you will find. We need that extra edge in midfield and I don’t think that comes from an 18 year old or whatever. I think a rotation attacking youngster who has impact makes sense. Or a youngster to maybe cover LWB. But yeah not keen on those being our key players unless they are already at a level that clearly demonstrates their ability in real men’s football.

I genuinely don't understand why you keep coming back to Bradley. He wasn't noticeably any worse than LWB's whose balls had already dropped. His stats were certainly no worse than the various LWB players. Yet he gets singled out as the problem. I think we all agree we need more in MF (I certainly do - and something different than we already have), but I'd be happy to have Bradley back next season, assuming we got a better spread in MF.

It’s not that. It’s saying we weren’t good enough last season so we need to improve on that. Bradley coming back would still leave us needing to improve in other key areas.

It’s more what Pru is saying that I just don’t think we can do that with just teenage loans. We need more experience than that. More proven capability. It’s not that we shouldn’t sign loans. It’s more that with these deals falling through I hope plan b is similar types at similar age profiles and not hoping a bunch of teenage loans come good.

Don't disagree with that. I don't think anyone has suggested just teenage loans anywhere? All part and parcel. We need to improve in other key areas whether we ended up with Wilson or Bradley (which we know isn't likely) at RWB. At the minute we've signed three? grown ups and there's three "grown ups" being discussed all of which appear to have hit some snags - the snags might be removed over time, we dunno - but if the "next best" target on the list, happened to be a 19 year old loan, I think what you're saying is ignore that and move onto whoever was 5th on the list, irrespective of whether Evatt / Markham think the 19 year old would be a better fit?

I think they're going to be "driven by the data" as the vernacular has it.

[BWFC_Insane]

^I mean I’m saying statistically I find it less likely that we will find loans of that age who will be good enough over a season to get us promoted. In a full view of what we have and what we lack.

I would be disappointed if we went from full internationals to a wet behind the ears kid who might be amazing in two years but isn’t ready yet.

We want to be top two which means an incredible consistency of performance is required from game 1 to game 46. No good with the inconsistency of last season. We need to win game after game.

We need players equipped to do that. You might find some loans who can do that. But not that many where they haven’t played proper football for a decent period before. IMHO. Shoretire has all the ability but I’m not interested in us developing someone’s player. If he comes here on loan it’s about him getting into double figures in goals and putting in the dominant displays we need from such a role.

If we sign a wing back they need to be better in the attacking third than Bradley was. That’s a hard truth but looking at how we get better than last season that’s something we need. If Bradley came back we’d need to find that on the left hand side.

[BWFC_Insane]

Another twist. Baccus has a knee injury that needs further investigation so sounds like that’s why that one is now dead not down to championship interest.

[Bertie Wooster]

Another twist. Baccus has a knee injury that needs further investigation so sounds like that’s why that one is now dead not down to championship interest.

Iles has now deleted that, I think that' it is old news. Iles having a bit of a mare !