Snog, Marry, Avoid: Summer 2023 Transfer Window

[The_Gun]

Would City want to send us Mbete knowing he's not going to start many games, or would they rather send him somewhere further down L1 or in L2 in the hope he gets more opportunities?

[Worthy4England]

Jones
Iredale
Santos
Forrester
Toal

5 perfectly fine players for 3 positions. And we want to break the bank to bring in another one, resulting in us consigning Johnston to the free transfer bin?

Oh - thought Toal was crocked too (not been keeping up)

[boltonboris]

It wasn't just that. He looked more and more lost over time, especially in possession.

That might be avoided by being able to alleviate nerves. There is an argument to say that he shouldn't have been playing as many games as he did, but we had problems and we had to rely upon what we had. When we signed Mbete, the remit was for him to cover, not become first choice due to injuries, same for MJ covering CB duties.

If Mbete was to come back, I'd suspect that it'd be on the original scope, cover and support where needed, with starts in the cups.

See I just don't understand the logic. We use resources to sign a player not really good enough to start games to act as cover, hoping we don't really need to use them in big games. And not a youngster we own and can develop over time....

Its just illogical to me.

It's illogical to think we can just replace any injured player with equivalent quality without severely impacting the budget for areas of more pressing need

[boltonboris]

Jones
Iredale
Santos
Forrester
Toal

5 perfectly fine players for 3 positions. And we want to break the bank to bring in another one, resulting in us consigning Johnston to the free transfer bin?

Oh - thought Toal was crocked too (not been keeping up)

He'll miss a couple of weeks, apparently

[GhostoftheBok]

It's illogical to think we can just replace any injured player with equivalent quality without severely impacting the budget for areas of more pressing need

Not necessarily. We may be able to bring a signing forward if we'd planned to do it in the next 12 months anyway.

We're not budgeting window to window.

The issue at centre half is it's probably the worst place for this, as it's not obvious there was a succession plan for any of the 6 unless we sold one. Everywhere else we have obvious phased renewal.

Johnston was the only one not contracted before next summer and we clearly hoped he would be.

If we did have a plan to kick on after promotion the question is whether it's too much of a gamble to greenlight that now and whether any of the names on that list are available.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles on Kane Wilson: “Wanderers felt a) it wasn't worth it financially, or b) there were concerns about fitness. Both arguments were presented at the time.‘

[BWFC_Insane]

It wasn't just that. He looked more and more lost over time, especially in possession.

That might be avoided by being able to alleviate nerves. There is an argument to say that he shouldn't have been playing as many games as he did, but we had problems and we had to rely upon what we had. When we signed Mbete, the remit was for him to cover, not become first choice due to injuries, same for MJ covering CB duties.

If Mbete was to come back, I'd suspect that it'd be on the original scope, cover and support where needed, with starts in the cups.

See I just don't understand the logic. We use resources to sign a player not really good enough to start games to act as cover, hoping we don't really need to use them in big games. And not a youngster we own and can develop over time....

Its just illogical to me.

It's illogical to think we can just replace any injured player with equivalent quality without severely impacting the budget for areas of more pressing need

Sure we could sign a slightly more established player on loan.

[BWFC_Insane]

Iles on Kane Wilson: “Wanderers felt a) it wasn't worth it financially, or b) there were concerns about fitness. Both arguments were presented at the time.‘

So in conclusion bolton don’t want to say why a player who passed his medical and reportedly had agreed terms wasn’t signed.

Not a great sign tbh.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Iles on Kane Wilson: “Wanderers felt a) it wasn't worth it financially, or b) there were concerns about fitness. Both arguments were presented at the time.‘

So in conclusion bolton don’t want to say why a player who passed his medical and reportedly had agreed terms wasn’t signed.

Not a great sign tbh.

Well that’s one conclusion…

[BWFC_Insane]

Leahy mentioned by ghost on here appears to be Wycombe bound.

[Mar]

Iles on Kane Wilson: “Wanderers felt a) it wasn't worth it financially, or b) there were concerns about fitness. Both arguments were presented at the time.‘

So in conclusion bolton don’t want to say why a player who passed his medical and reportedly had agreed terms wasn’t signed.

Not a great sign tbh.

Probably wouldn't be a classy move to come out slagging off Wilson or Derby for last minute contractual changes. It's not confirmed till its signed and sealed. There may have been delays by his agents to push for more money and we've not matched.

Either way, silence doesn't necessarily mean a bad approach being taken by Bolton. It might just mean financial prudence.

Much better that we're trying to sign players that other teams want as opposed to chucking silly money at the likes of N'Gog style players.

[Worthy4England]

^^ We've chucked a few quid (comparatively) at Vic and Dan, I might not be too quick to roll out the N'gog...

[Mar]

^^ We've chucked a few quid (comparatively) at Vic and Dan, I might not be too quick to roll out the N'gog...

I'll roll it out alright. Vic had at least showed competence elsewhere. N'gog looked crap prior to us signing him and proceeded to continue to be crap. If Vic doesn't make it, it's partially on us.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ We've chucked a few quid (comparatively) at Vic and Dan, I might not be too quick to roll out the N'gog...

I'll roll it out alright. Vic had at least showed competence elsewhere. N'gog looked crap prior to us signing him and proceeded to continue to be crap. If Vic doesn't make it, it's partially on us.

Ngog had played 60 odd times for liverpool and scored 10 goals.

Victor came from Burton having scored 10.

I’m not convinced that you can say Victor had a significantly more convincing record considering pre Burton he had been a massive flop.

[officer_dibble]

Iles on Kane Wilson: “Wanderers felt a) it wasn't worth it financially, or b) there were concerns about fitness. Both arguments were presented at the time.‘

Have only just seen he’s signed for derby! Looks to me like we’ve lost our first RWB target to a promotion rival…

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Evatt on MJ>MK:

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ons-links/

“ It is a possibility, but there is nothing finalised yet. What we will do is always discuss it openly with the player.

“MJ has been brilliant for this football club over the past two-and-a-half-years. I have a lot of respect for him and he has respect for us.

“If someone offers him the chance of a longer contract and some more minutes, then we will wish them well and hope he will produce the goods for them.

“But as I said, nothing is finalised or completed yet. It is still very much MJ’s decision and we will wait to see what happens.”

[Mar]

^^ We've chucked a few quid (comparatively) at Vic and Dan, I might not be too quick to roll out the N'gog...

I'll roll it out alright. Vic had at least showed competence elsewhere. N'gog looked crap prior to us signing him and proceeded to continue to be crap. If Vic doesn't make it, it's partially on us.

Ngog had played 60 odd times for liverpool and scored 10 goals.

Victor came from Burton having scored 10.

I’m not convinced that you can say Victor had a significantly more convincing record considering pre Burton he had been a massive flop.

If you're going to start adding goal records to the mix then at least get them reported properly lest we end up sugarcoating history.

Adeboyejo had a 13 in 34 record for Burton, with 2 assists. Overall a goal contribution every 173 mins when taking into account time playing.
N'Gog had a 19 in 94 record for Liverpool with 6 assists. Overall a goal contribution every 170 mins when taking into account time playing.

For the record, it was 11 goals for Burton in the League One from 26 games, and 9 goals in the league for N'Gog (63 appearances, 6 assists from 2377 mins).


I think your point about Vic's history is valid, he's not been a massive success at Barnsley (from a scoring perspective at least), so I think its probably a calculated gamble based upon his playing ability. Arguably N'Gog could've been seen as a prospect given his age.


Time will tell whether Vic will come good at Bolton. He had come good at Burton. It took N'Gog till he played in the Hungarian first division till he got double figures in a season.

£4m was terrible money for N'Gog. No prior proof he would deliver, just a gamble by Coyle, who, judging by his ability to not cover tactical coaching sessions probably didnt do his homework.

[GhostoftheBok]

On the evidence of last night Vic will be absolutely fine.

Dragging in 3-4 players when he received the ball and still managing to lay it off to a runner. Pinning 2 centre backs at a time in the box and then just shrugging them off to get half a yard of space, before dummying it to create chances.

You don't build attacking patterns around a player the manager doesn't rate, so I'd suggest Evatt is happy with what he's seeing from Adeboyejo.

[BWFC_Insane]

^^ We've chucked a few quid (comparatively) at Vic and Dan, I might not be too quick to roll out the N'gog...

I'll roll it out alright. Vic had at least showed competence elsewhere. N'gog looked crap prior to us signing him and proceeded to continue to be crap. If Vic doesn't make it, it's partially on us.

Ngog had played 60 odd times for liverpool and scored 10 goals.

Victor came from Burton having scored 10.

I’m not convinced that you can say Victor had a significantly more convincing record considering pre Burton he had been a massive flop.

If you're going to start adding goal records to the mix then at least get them reported properly lest we end up sugarcoating history.

Adeboyejo had a 13 in 34 record for Burton, with 2 assists. Overall a goal contribution every 173 mins when taking into account time playing.
N'Gog had a 19 in 94 record for Liverpool with 6 assists. Overall a goal contribution every 170 mins when taking into account time playing.

For the record, it was 11 goals for Burton in the League One from 26 games, and 9 goals in the league for N'Gog (63 appearances, 6 assists from 2377 mins).


I think your point about Vic's history is valid, he's not been a massive success at Barnsley (from a scoring perspective at least), so I think its probably a calculated gamble based upon his playing ability. Arguably N'Gog could've been seen as a prospect given his age.


Time will tell whether Vic will come good at Bolton. He had come good at Burton. It took N'Gog till he played in the Hungarian first division till he got double figures in a season.

£4m was terrible money for N'Gog. No prior proof he would deliver, just a gamble by Coyle, who, judging by his ability to not cover tactical coaching sessions probably didnt do his homework.

Ermmm so Vic and Ngog have virtually identical records pre our signing except Ngog had his at the highest level vs league one Burton.

I mean I think you just exploded your own argument.

Coyle didn’t have a clue what he was doing and I said so at the time (and was pilloried for it) but come on. Your argument just dissolved.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

MJ to MK confirmed.
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