Match Thread: Pasties and Pies - A Tasty affair! Bolton v Wigan (H) - Saturday 19th Aug / 12.30

[BWFC_Insane]

It's a generational thing, anyone under 35 would say they're rivals due to similar fortunes the past 15-20 years

The same with Tranmere and Wolves in the 90s. These rivalries in people's formative years tend to stick with them.

Yeah a rivalry for the kids. That’s all it is. And it’s very transient.

[TANGODANCER]

Wigan really are worth the whole square root of very little.

So let's just beat them as D.S.B says The rest is totally immaterial. They're not bad at rugby mind.

[Worthy4England]

It's a generational thing, anyone under 35 would say they're rivals due to similar fortunes the past 15-20 years

The same with Tranmere and Wolves in the 90s. These rivalries in people's formative years tend to stick with them.

Yeah a rivalry for the kids. That’s all it is. And it’s very transient.

Morecambe were proclaiming a derby the last two years. Give yer heads a shake.

[BWFC_Insane]

It's a generational thing, anyone under 35 would say they're rivals due to similar fortunes the past 15-20 years

The same with Tranmere and Wolves in the 90s. These rivalries in people's formative years tend to stick with them.

Yeah a rivalry for the kids. That’s all it is. And it’s very transient.

Morecambe were proclaiming a derby the last two years. Give yer heads a shake.

The same as Wigan. I almost feel a bit sorry for them. Almost.

Who next? Salford?

Found all these rivalries down the years a bit tedious. Wolves. That was a proper one. Not artificially created but pretty ‘hot’ for a while. Bury I guess just about ok as a rivalry. Man Utd isn’t a two way thing but fair enough given history.

After that your Tranmeres, Bradfords, Wigans etc all feel pretty naff and irrelevant.

[nicholaldo]

Like it or not - and I don't really get too het up on these things - it seems pretty clear that this particular rivalry has greater purchase than the one against Morecambe, especially among our younger supporters, and is less likely to be transient as a result

There's a certain air of trying a bit too hard to play it down in some of these posts in my opinion.

[Worthy4England]

It certainly has more purchase than Morcambe. Leeds is closer to the TCS...

Not playing it down particularly here, it just doesn't hold much significance for me personally.

[Harry Genshaw]

Not a hill I'd wish to die on, to quote another poster on here, but to pretend they're not rivals or lesser than feckin Bury? Give over!

We first met in the league 40 years ago this boxing day. In those 4 decades ( ) they've spent the bulk in the same division as us or 1 division above or 1 below. So, it ain't just for the young uns, football wise they're very close, geographically, there's no one closer. They had a run of success using Whelan's money. So did we, using Eddie's.

They're rivals. Resign yourself to it, embrace it and let's kick their football asses!

[Mar]

There's a certain air of trying a bit too hard to play it down in some of these posts in my opinion.

Indeed, lets just enjoy a rivalry and the extra spice it brings on game day.

Recent results haven't been great against them, but neither was our squad when we got beat 5-2 or 4-0. They hadn't been under the influence of bad ownership. Now they've experienced some of what we had to deal with, it might give a different complexion on things.

Burdened by a points deficit and the prospect of another set of financial woes, I suspect that their mentality might just be susceptible to a few problems of their own making, let alone those we can give them on a footballing basis.

Relegated bottom of the league last season, Wigan have ex-Wanderer Josh Magennis listed as captain on the league one wiki page. It'll bode well should he face us again. If anyones good in a struggling season its certainly not him. He's currently got a 4 goals in 57 appearances record for the Latics, bettered just slightly by the 6 in 45 he had for us.

It'll be nice to get one over Wigan. It's been too long (last one coming in 2015). Since then we've had 3 relegations and 2 promotions whilst Wigan have had 3 relegations and 3 promotions. Footballs interesting around these parts at least.

[BWFC_Insane]

Not a hill I'd wish to die on, to quote another poster on here, but to pretend they're not rivals or lesser than feckin Bury? Give over!

We first met in the league 40 years ago this boxing day. In those 4 decades ( ) they've spent the bulk in the same division as us or 1 division above or 1 below. So, it ain't just for the young uns, football wise they're very close, geographically, there's no one closer. They had a run of success using Whelan's money. So did we, using Eddie's.

They're rivals. Resign yourself to it, embrace it and let's kick their football asses!

40 years? That’s hilarious. It’s nowt.

We are geographically close to actual proper football clubs. Blackburn, Preston, Burnley. All ‘local clubs’ I wouldn’t call any rivals because they are all you know actual clubs with history and supporters. Not just a bunch of feral kids who think football only existed since the premiership and are just after a day out of their hellhole of a town.

Maybe in another 50 years Wigan might be more than a rugby town. Today though it’s not.

[Worthy4England]

I dunno. I view them as rivals, sure. In the same way as I viewed Derby, Barnsley and Posh as rivals, if they happen to be in and around us. Much more likely to get "pinged" before the Derby match by mates, than Wiggin.

S'pose it doesn't help encourage much rivalry when they have no fans and one road in, with no road out.

[BWFC_Insane]

I dunno. I view them as rivals, sure. In the same way as I viewed Derby, Barnsley and Posh as rivals, if they happen to be in and around us. Much more likely to get "pinged" before the Derby match by mates, than Wiggin.

S'pose it doesn't help encourage much rivalry when they have no fans and one road in, with no road out.

Yeah I agree…rivals wasn’t a good choice of word I guess they are ‘rivals’ but not in the sense that I revel in beating them more than I would most other clubs.

The only club I’d say that I feel a game against them is automatically an ‘event’ where the result in isolation matters is Man Utd. But they wouldn’t give two hoots about us. Which for me is how I feel about Wigan. Couldn’t care less about them but of course I’d like to beat them as I would every side we play.

I just think it’s an artificial thing invented by Wigans feral youth. It’s a bit embarrassing. They posed for pictures when they thought we were going out of business….is that really a deep ‘rivalry ‘ worth the name….

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Way I see it, we don't really have a "proper" rival in the classic manner. We may "only" hate Man United, but that's far from a mutual situation – we may not even be in their top 10.

Wigan despise us in much the same way, except that they have had parity or even (sadly) supremacy over us in a way we haven't over United since before Busby. (We won at Old Trafford a couple of splendid times, but they haven't been in a league below us since before Chamberlain waved his piece of paper in the air.)

It is, as has been astutely noted, very much rooted in your formative years (as so much is...) about who you see as the main rivals. Joining our happy throng on the way down in the mid/late 80s, I saw our main rivals as Bury and Wigan; then in the early 90s came Tranmere. In the background were Lancashire rivals like Blackpool (we didn't often bump into Blackburn or Burnley). Wolves were hated for a while around the 100-goal season time, but I didn't see it as a major rivalry - just an enjoyable spat over a few games; there was no 'history' there since the abolition of the maximum wage.

Anyways, I can understand why the young folk with their goggled hoods and their mysterious social meeja Have A Thing with Wigan. If they're as old as 22 (and not all of them are), it's half their life since we were top-flight. To each their own.

[Prufrock]

Depends where you're from to an extent I think too. If you're from south of town then you're more likely to be arsed about Salford (I honestly don't care about that one). North then that lot are in and around you a lot more.

I don't mind it, we aren't really paired off in a way most others aren't. It still doesn't feel fully proper as it's "new" in rivalry terms, and I'm not sure Wigan can support a team to be at our level for long enough for it to become permanent.

[Mar]

Not a hill I'd wish to die on, to quote another poster on here, but to pretend they're not rivals or lesser than feckin Bury? Give over!

We first met in the league 40 years ago this boxing day. In those 4 decades ( ) they've spent the bulk in the same division as us or 1 division above or 1 below. So, it ain't just for the young uns, football wise they're very close, geographically, there's no one closer. They had a run of success using Whelan's money. So did we, using Eddie's.

They're rivals. Resign yourself to it, embrace it and let's kick their football asses!

40 years? That’s hilarious. It’s nowt.

We are geographically close to actual proper football clubs. Blackburn, Preston, Burnley. All ‘local clubs’ I wouldn’t call any rivals because they are all you know actual clubs with history and supporters. Not just a bunch of feral kids who think football only existed since the premiership and are just after a day out of their hellhole of a town.

Maybe in another 50 years Wigan might be more than a rugby town. Today though it’s not.

40 years is nothing?

Found all these rivalries down the years a bit tedious. Wolves. That was a proper one. Not artificially created but pretty ‘hot’ for a while.

So 40 years is nothing but a rivalry created overnight is fine as per Wolves?
Perhaps all we're missing is a punch from John McGinlay to kick start everything?

[BWFC_Insane]

Not a hill I'd wish to die on, to quote another poster on here, but to pretend they're not rivals or lesser than feckin Bury? Give over!

We first met in the league 40 years ago this boxing day. In those 4 decades ( ) they've spent the bulk in the same division as us or 1 division above or 1 below. So, it ain't just for the young uns, football wise they're very close, geographically, there's no one closer. They had a run of success using Whelan's money. So did we, using Eddie's.

They're rivals. Resign yourself to it, embrace it and let's kick their football asses!

40 years? That’s hilarious. It’s nowt.

We are geographically close to actual proper football clubs. Blackburn, Preston, Burnley. All ‘local clubs’ I wouldn’t call any rivals because they are all you know actual clubs with history and supporters. Not just a bunch of feral kids who think football only existed since the premiership and are just after a day out of their hellhole of a town.

Maybe in another 50 years Wigan might be more than a rugby town. Today though it’s not.

40 years is nothing?

Found all these rivalries down the years a bit tedious. Wolves. That was a proper one. Not artificially created but pretty ‘hot’ for a while.

So 40 years is nothing but a rivalry created overnight is fine as per Wolves?
Perhaps all we're missing is a punch from John McGinlay to kick start everything?

Wolves was more than that. Over a number of seasons we played them in cup then league and it was a clash of styles, and two former giants scrambling against each other to reach the top league again.

It was transient and momentary but for those few years I’d say there was something in those games that was justified.

40 years is indeed nowt to a founding football league member. And the point is that Wigan aren’t any different to a whole host of clubs that sit around us but the major difference is that those clubs don’t have a load of kids so insecure in their clubs lack of meaning and relevance that they try and build out some artificial ‘rivalry’ with a big club down the road. Tranmere fans did exactly the same back in the day and that was very very cringeworthy too.

I didn’t spend weeks awaiting a trip to Prenton park with anticipation and the same is true now. It’s a local derby and that always adds a little but that’s as far as it goes.

[Worthy4England]

Depends where you're from to an extent I think too. If you're from south of town then you're more likely to be arsed about Salford (I honestly don't care about that one). North then that lot are in and around you a lot more.

I don't mind it, we aren't really paired off in a way most others aren't. It still doesn't feel fully proper as it's "new" in rivalry terms, and I'm not sure Wigan can support a team to be at our level for long enough for it to become permanent.

Aye, and with that first bit, who people you know, support . I'm the only one in my family who supports Bolton, I'm not from Bolton. The rest are DMBs. First game I was taken to was DMBs v Leeds who were at their early 70's peak, only one team I was supporting that day (they had the best sock tassles). The highlight of my years watching Wanderers was the double over DMBs in 78, with 4 goals from Frankie. Most people I know support Utd, City or Liverpool (latterly quite a few Salford). I don't know a single Wigan fan, despite the border running across my front garden. So for me, they're an irrelevance, but one I want three points off today. COYWM.

[nicholaldo]

Your rivalries are "artificial", mine are proper.

[Worthy4England]

Your rivalries are "artificial", mine are proper.

And I wish you every success with them mate.

[BWFC_Insane]

Your rivalries are "artificial", mine are proper.

I think if someone genuinely wants to believe a rivalry predominantly built off a decade of social media buffoonery is the same as the rivalries that date back half a century or more to historical events then I don’t have an issue with that. I just don’t really like the kids nonsense on social media or see it as a good reason to consider a football club significant rivals.

It’s not my thing at all.

Man Utd is deep baked in.

I also know only one Wigan fan and they aren’t regulars. I know a lot of Blackburn, Preston and Burnley fans however. As well of course as the usual premiership suspects.

[nicholaldo]

Your rivalries are "artificial", mine are proper.

And I wish you every success with them mate.

Perhaps I should've put the whole sentence in quotation marks to make it clearer I was paraphrasing.