2024, hoodwink and bamboozle the public

[BWFC_Insane]

How much money has Sunak bet on a Tories being under 150 seats? It’s the only explanation for all this. He has to be trying to throw this. I’ve never honestly seen anything like this.

[TANGODANCER]

Do you never sleep?

[boltonboris]

How much money has Sunak bet on a Tories being under 150 seats? It’s the only explanation for all this. He has to be trying to throw this. I’ve never honestly seen anything like this.

He can probably see what the Worldwide economy has in store and thinks "feck that, I'll let the reds deal with it and we'll be back in charge next term"

[BWFC_Insane]

How much money has Sunak bet on a Tories being under 150 seats? It’s the only explanation for all this. He has to be trying to throw this. I’ve never honestly seen anything like this.

He can probably see what the Worldwide economy has in store and thinks "feck that, I'll let the reds deal with it and we'll be back in charge next term"

He will be in California by then so won’t care. Will Farage be leading the Tories by that point?

[boltonboris]

He's not allowed to live in California until has successfully sold off our NHS to his USA pals'' private healthcare companies.

[Hoboh]

He's not allowed to live in California until has successfully sold off our NHS to his USA pals'' private healthcare companies.

Then he's never going if that's the case.
Sunak and hopefully, some of his chums will be history on the 5th of July. Yesterday's performance just killed stone dead any chance, however slim, of survival.
Labour will win and although I won't vote for them, if they stay sane I could live with that although I doubt much will actually change.

[Worthy4England]

There is no party equipped or able enough to press the US driven capitalist based model to make a difference.

We need

Governments to stop selling out to free markets they have no control over.

We might have to shrink as an economy, for the net benefit of our citizens.

We can't continue to rely on immigration for economic growth.

We absolutely need to reporr corporate profits in the same sentence as "wage claims" coz they're taking the piss.

We need to ban and penalise "zero hours" contracts and mayɓe enforce it through communuty hangings. They're not "creating jobs"

That's all for the moment.

[Worthy4England]

Sorry forgot. It's a developing manifesto. Compulsory Purchase land. For the state. Then release some for housebuilding. If the housebuilders don't want to build the houses we need, where we want them, point to the fact, it's a free market. And point out that they told us, they weren't landbanking anyhow...

[TANGODANCER]

You are attempting to bring too much common sense to the table Worthy, and you know that doesn't apply to government. It will only confuse the poor citizens further. Cease immediately.

[BWFC_Insane]

There is no party equipped or able enough to press the US driven capitalist based model to make a difference.

We need

Governments to stop selling out to free markets they have no control over.

We might have to shrink as an economy, for the net benefit of our citizens.

We can't continue to rely on immigration for economic growth.

We absolutely need to reporr corporate profits in the same sentence as "wage claims" coz they're taking the piss.

We need to ban and penalise "zero hours" contracts and mayɓe enforce it through communuty hangings. They're not "creating jobs"

That's all for the moment.

Worthy for PM!

Agree with a lot of this though I think maybe shrinking the economy with our current borrowing might end up with the worst economic depression we’ve ever seen.

One of the intractable problems is we rely on the global economies and there isn’t a realistic alternative yet don’t want to deal with its downsides.

I fear we are headed for the populists with no answers but lots of division and hate in a few years.

[Hoboh]

There is no party equipped or able enough to press the US driven capitalist based model to make a difference.

We need

Governments to stop selling out to free markets they have no control over.

We might have to shrink as an economy, for the net benefit of our citizens.

We can't continue to rely on immigration for economic growth.

We absolutely need to reporr corporate profits in the same sentence as "wage claims" coz they're taking the piss.

We need to ban and penalise "zero hours" contracts and mayɓe enforce it through communuty hangings. They're not "creating jobs"

That's all for the moment.

Worthy for PM!

Agree with a lot of this though I think maybe shrinking the economy with our current borrowing might end up with the worst economic depression we’ve ever seen.

One of the intractable problems is we rely on the global economies and there isn’t a realistic alternative yet don’t want to deal with its downsides.

I fear we are headed for the populists with no answers but lots of division and hate in a few years.

If everybody put the needs of country and citizens first, there would be no place for division and hate.

[Hoboh]

Sorry forgot. It's a developing manifesto. Compulsory Purchase land. For the state. Then release some for housebuilding. If the housebuilders don't want to build the houses we need, where we want them, point to the fact, it's a free market. And point out that they told us, they weren't landbanking anyhow...

You missed out control of essential national energy supplies, one of the most important things to secure a stable future.

OMG! Listened to that green in the TV debate the other night, she's a complete fruit bat.
More worrying is bacon butty Milliband is going to push a lot of her bloody agenda after the 4th.
Make no mistake, Joe public is going to get creamed to pay for it.

[BWFC_Insane]

Sorry forgot. It's a developing manifesto. Compulsory Purchase land. For the state. Then release some for housebuilding. If the housebuilders don't want to build the houses we need, where we want them, point to the fact, it's a free market. And point out that they told us, they weren't landbanking anyhow...

You missed out control of essential national energy supplies, one of the most important things to secure a stable future.

OMG! Listened to that green in the TV debate the other night, she's a complete fruit bat.
More worrying is bacon butty Milliband is going to push a lot of her bloody agenda after the 4th.
Make no mistake, Joe public is going to get creamed to pay for it.

I don’t know how to say this nicely but I suggest you stop reading the mail and sun.

Ed Miliband is the person who has a credible route to energy security via GB energy. Not sure what bacon butties have to do with that. And he is absolutely nowhere near the Greens.

[Hoboh]

Not just the Mail mate

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproj ... selling-it

[BWFC_Insane]

Not just the Mail mate

https://amp-theguardian-com.cdn.ampproj ... selling-it

Sure but the fact is it’s the only plan on the table. It’s going to be massively oversold in a campaign as that’s what happens but it’s critical as the article itself suggests in promoting and leveraging the transition to our own energy security. It’s going to take longer than 5 years but at the very least Labour are talking about investment through new tech to harness for example floating offshore wind.

A lot of nonsense is talked about energy and whilst I’m frustrated Labour had to ditch their £28Bn per year investment plan at least initially, the realities of the economy that the Tories have built are biting hard.

The bottom line is though that where you and I are sceptical on the plans - at least there are some plans. The alternative is to simply let the multinationals sell us back our own energy at profit and send the profits into Europe.

[Worthy4England]

Sorry forgot. It's a developing manifesto. Compulsory Purchase land. For the state. Then release some for housebuilding. If the housebuilders don't want to build the houses we need, where we want them, point to the fact, it's a free market. And point out that they told us, they weren't landbanking anyhow...

You missed out control of essential national energy supplies, one of the most important things to secure a stable future.

OMG! Listened to that green in the TV debate the other night, she's a complete fruit bat.
More worrying is bacon butty Milliband is going to push a lot of her bloody agenda after the 4th.
Make no mistake, Joe public is going to get creamed to pay for it.

Sorry mate, that was convered in "not selling out to free markets"

Maybe start with banks! Because we subsidize and bail them, then they fck off with profts..

Then utilities. Because we subsidize and bail them, then they fck off with profts..

Oh the there's rail. Because we subsidize and bail it, then they fck off with profts..

Etc. Ad infinitum.

[Hoboh]

Sorry forgot. It's a developing manifesto. Compulsory Purchase land. For the state. Then release some for housebuilding. If the housebuilders don't want to build the houses we need, where we want them, point to the fact, it's a free market. And point out that they told us, they weren't landbanking anyhow...

You missed out control of essential national energy supplies, one of the most important things to secure a stable future.

OMG! Listened to that green in the TV debate the other night, she's a complete fruit bat.
More worrying is bacon butty Milliband is going to push a lot of her bloody agenda after the 4th.
Make no mistake, Joe public is going to get creamed to pay for it.

Sorry mate, that was convered in "not selling out to free markets"

Maybe start with banks! Because we subsidize and bail them, then they fck off with profts..

Then utilities. Because we subsidize and bail them, then they fck off with profts..

Oh the there's rail. Because we subsidize and bail it, then they fck off with profts..

Etc. Ad infinitum.

I'm afraid, in a way that is exactly what whoever gets in government is going to do with all this green energy investment. Muggings the tax payer is going to fund all the investment in the infrastructure then companies will simply say thank you and consequently Bill us for the maintenance of it.
It totally needs to be nationalised to feed a small portion of profits back, the rest to keep the cost down.

[Worthy4England]

TBF mate - we subsidise carbon based energy by a whole fcuking chunk more...

[Hoboh]

TBF mate - we subsidise carbon based energy by a whole fcuking chunk more...

So that makes it right then?

[Worthy4England]

TBF mate - we subsidise carbon based energy by a whole fcuking chunk more...

So that makes it right then?

No. Just a more nuanced conversation around not being reliant on either in isolation. We were told privatization was the answer to many economic ills. I'm struggling to find much evidence only that the taxpayer takes the downsides and the shareholder retains the upsides. If that isn't a state intervention to prop up the bullshit, dunno what is.

The reality is, many of UK pension funds are probably invested in the prop-ups so any unwind would probably make those suceptible too.

At least the NHS is the jewel in the crown! Oh.

Interesting that your mates also suggested unwinding QE. It does feel that some things need breaking to get some fixes. You noticed you don't hear the phrase "trickle down" much these days? That's coz it doesn't.