2024, hoodwink and bamboozle the public

[BWFC_Insane]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

Greybelt. The bits of the green belt that are a mess. It’s cheaper for construction and realistically the only way to incentivise the mass building and infrastructure projects we need to get the economy moving. I’d have thought you’d be for this. The opposition to this is mainly coming from the far left greens and a few nimby Tories.

The opposition to mass housebuilding is not mainly coming from far left greens nor a few nimby Tories.

Best of luck defining "greybelt" better than the developers will. They already drove a coach and horses through Places for Everyone, when it was supposed to be "greenbelt".

I don't agree it's the only way to incentivise mass building, nor necessarily that it actually will. The developers aren't stupid, they will not be complicit in tanking house prices - be it in the land value or the profit which is about 2/3rds of the value of a new build (of course they'll take anything out of development they can), but that's typically only a third of the price anyhow and they'll return as much of that saving to profit as they can.

The other way to incentivise mass building would be for us to build them ourselves, the ones we want, in the places we need them, using CPO if necessary. They'd soon start fcking ramping up on brownbelt then.

It's a poor policy, ill conceived. There might be something in "new towns" - dunno.

It goes way beyond just houses. Looking at major hubs and infrastructure blocked over ridiculous planning decisions in just the last few years….we need to unlock this.

There are ways to do this without concreting over all our green spaces and I think they will do that.

[TANGODANCER]

We need to build more prisons and Labour will. But reducing reoffending is crucial because otherwise we will end up building prisons like crazy….

You mean make Britain a sort of Botany Bay (perhaps Morecambe Bay) but no need to provide your own food?

But I agree in principle. In effect incarceration used to be a feared deterrent to crime, but Alcatraz and Chateau D'if are history. Three square a day, mobile phones and television aren't quite in the same cell as bread and water. The bottom line is, that crime does pay and finding a way to change that is a major priority. It's hard to sympathise with governments, but in reality the public make many of the hurdles Westminster has to cope with. We (Britain) were once a role model for charity and humanity, but that was long ago and far- away. Like Dylan said, "The answer my friends, is blowing in the wind"

p.s. My question about National Security advisors was based on previous experience. As such, the total, new -brooming
philosophy is more than a little frightening.....is all.

[Worthy4England]

Rachel Reeves: 'I'll rip up rules on planning within days' - Labour's new Chancellor announces 'growth mission' which could see thousands of homes built on Green Belt land

Now another.......?..
Labour,
Covering fields near you with tacky, quick chuck up, not room to swing a cat new builds, soon.
No rules, remember the prefabs of the sixties, welcome to love to be a builder world.

Greybelt. The bits of the green belt that are a mess. It’s cheaper for construction and realistically the only way to incentivise the mass building and infrastructure projects we need to get the economy moving. I’d have thought you’d be for this. The opposition to this is mainly coming from the far left greens and a few nimby Tories.

The opposition to mass housebuilding is not mainly coming from far left greens nor a few nimby Tories.

Best of luck defining "greybelt" better than the developers will. They already drove a coach and horses through Places for Everyone, when it was supposed to be "greenbelt".

I don't agree it's the only way to incentivise mass building, nor necessarily that it actually will. The developers aren't stupid, they will not be complicit in tanking house prices - be it in the land value or the profit which is about 2/3rds of the value of a new build (of course they'll take anything out of development they can), but that's typically only a third of the price anyhow and they'll return as much of that saving to profit as they can.

The other way to incentivise mass building would be for us to build them ourselves, the ones we want, in the places we need them, using CPO if necessary. They'd soon start fcking ramping up on brownbelt then.

It's a poor policy, ill conceived. There might be something in "new towns" - dunno.

It goes way beyond just houses. Looking at major hubs and infrastructure blocked over ridiculous planning decisions in just the last few years….we need to unlock this.

There are ways to do this without concreting over all our green spaces and I think they will do that.

I'll wait until I see some detail. But what I've seen thus far hasn't been too encouraging.

And no one seems able to tell me how they build decent affordable homes (you know, the 4x or 6x average salary) range - £120-£180k, because that maths just doesn't stack, wherever you put 'em.

It typically has not been "infrastructure blocked" by poor planning decisions. By far and a way, the get out has been as the plan develops, the developer pleads poverty and is allowed to get out of their infrastructure commitments made when the application went in - including the volume of "affordable houses" that weren't affordable by most measures in the first place.

[Prufrock]

Concrete the f*cking lot

[Worthy4England]

Concrete the f*cking lot

That would cost a chunk £1,392,657,000,000.00 or there abouts.

[Hoboh]

Coincidence or?
Just got up at 7.00am
No electricity which means the router is ot, WiFi, no kettle, hot water off with the boiler out, thank the lord for the gas hob, even that had to be sparked with a cigarette lighter a brew at least.
It's not just mine either, everyone is out round here.

I seriously can not remember the last time the electricity died on us, strange, the commies are back in power and this happens.
Are they starting that certifiable loon Millipedes net zero already, he don't like you having bacon butties for breakfast.

Vote labour, get power cuts.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Coincidence or?
Just got up at 7.00am
No electricity which means the router is ot, WiFi, no kettle, hot water off with the boiler out, thank the lord for the gas hob, even that had to be sparked with a cigarette lighter a brew at least.
It's not just mine either, everyone is out round here.

I seriously can not remember the last time the electricity died on us, strange, the commies are back in power and this happens.
Are they starting that certifiable loon Millipedes net zero already, he don't like you having bacon butties for breakfast.

Vote labour, get power cuts.

Think yerself lucky. We get them all the time. Same with the water in the summer. We can't get gas.

Don't know you're born snowflake

[BWFC_Insane]

Always good to see the ‘we won you lost stop moaning brigade’ able to take their own advice…oh….

[TANGODANCER]

A little bit soon to be looking for changes, surely? I have little good to say on politicians, but even the newest of new brooms need a test run before getting an M.O.T. Patience is a virtue,,,so they say.

[Hoboh]

Always good to see the ‘we won you lost stop moaning brigade’ able to take their own advice…oh….

After 8 years of some whinging about Brexit, exhausting the supply of the country's Kleenex, they are the ones who shouldn't worry about a bit of their own coming back

Don't think it's just me who finds the Robotic Humanoid Reeves a bit arrogant?

[BWFC_Insane]

Always good to see the ‘we won you lost stop moaning brigade’ able to take their own advice…oh….

After 8 years of some whinging about Brexit, exhausting the supply of the country's Kleenex, they are the ones who shouldn't worry about a bit of their own coming back

Don't think it's just me who finds the Robotic Humanoid Reeves a bit arrogant?

We’ve seen the end point of your politics and it was horrendous. People did not want it. And rightfully so.

[Hoboh]

Always good to see the ‘we won you lost stop moaning brigade’ able to take their own advice…oh….

After 8 years of some whinging about Brexit, exhausting the supply of the country's Kleenex, they are the ones who shouldn't worry about a bit of their own coming back

Don't think it's just me who finds the Robotic Humanoid Reeves a bit arrogant?

We’ve seen the end point of your politics and it was horrendous. People did not want it. And rightfully so.

Yeah the massive 34% overwhelming majority of commies with no brain who don't mind anything as long as they can carry on and feel smug
one term only kind, Rightfully so.

[Worthy4England]

Always good to see the ‘we won you lost stop moaning brigade’ able to take their own advice…oh….

After 8 years of some whinging about Brexit, exhausting the supply of the country's Kleenex, they are the ones who shouldn't worry about a bit of their own coming back

Don't think it's just me who finds the Robotic Humanoid Reeves a bit arrogant?

TBF mate, Brexiteers have also done about 8 yeara of whinging about Brexit...So it's a bit pot and kettle...

[Hoboh]

Just seen a summary of some of the top table

Talking heads Starmer
Shameless extra Rayner
Robotic Reeves
Santa's Pixie Balls

[Prufrock]

Well that's certainly got the cadence of a joke, you can't deny that.

[Worthy4England]

Well that's certainly got the cadence of a joke, you can't deny that.

It's almost like some people go out of their way to find names to make them laugh...

[Hoboh]

Well that's certainly got the cadence of a joke, you can't deny that.

It's almost like some people go out of their way to find names to make them laugh...

I thought Roland Rat was a good one for Sunak TBF

[Worthy4England]

Well that's certainly got the cadence of a joke, you can't deny that.

It's almost like some people go out of their way to find names to make them laugh...

I thought Roland Rat was a good one for Sunak TBF

Well you didn't like him much either - TBF.

[Hoboh]

Oh dear, President Putin and vice President Trump, yet Biden was in fine form according to Sunak errr sorry, Starmer.
A least they both were on the same page giving billions we ain't got away.

[Worthy4England]

^^ Moan, moan, moan.... (But I do agree, Biden is completely unelectable - I don't think Harris would be a great shout, either and I wouldn't vote for covefe)