Down in The Valley, something stirred. V Charlton Athletic away Sat Aug 24th 3-0 'clock.

[Worthy4England]

I think - but ain't 100% sure, Insano has liked Warne for a while, I doubt he'd call for his head after 10/15 games in season 1 and the notion the same rules should apply to a manager in his 4th season in this division, isn't a great one. Limping Warne got Derby up at 2 ppg. Job done. Target achieved. Same target we missed. All other statistics didn't get anyone promoted.

Was Warne in his 4th go with us and we were struggling in November, then sure people might have had a pop - I know I probably would.

[GhostoftheBok]

Insano has liked Warne for a while

He has indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that Insane has laid out what is and isn't acceptable and called for much faster action sacking managers.

Sunderland, after all, would never put up with it.

Warne has fallen foul of almost all the things that Insane has said should trigger a sacking.

But, as you say, Insane likes him. So there we go.

This isn't an Evatt vs Warne issue - it's an Insane vs Insane issue.

[Prufrock]

I think being able to pay players 4x the going rate has to feed into the equation somewhere, too.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I think being able to pay players 4x the going rate has to feed into the equation somewhere, too.

Certainly what Birmingham are banking on. But it's backfired before....

[Worthy4England]

Insano has liked Warne for a while

He has indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that Insane has laid out what is and isn't acceptable and called for much faster action sacking managers.

Sunderland, after all, would never put up with it.

Warne has fallen foul of almost all the things that Insane has said should trigger a sacking.

But, as you say, Insane likes him. So there we go.

This isn't an Evatt vs Warne issue - it's an Insane vs Insane issue.

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

Indeed, I can't remember a single person calling for Evatt's head in his first season

[GhostoftheBok]

I think being able to pay players 4x the going rate has to feed into the equation somewhere, too.

Warne could offer up some reasons for why things went as they did initially, but every single one of them has been labelled an "excuse" on here recently. He did in fact offer them up, I wonder if they'd have counted on here.

When Warne had injuries to deal with he couldn't find the "solutions" Evatt was supposed to find. He just dropped points.

He'd definitely have taken us up, though

Derby fans are currently mulling over whether they want him sacked in the Championship. He has won one of his games, but it was a bit of a mauling at home and they got away with a 1-0 somehow.

I do feel sorry for managers, sometimes.

[GhostoftheBok]

Indeed, I can't remember a single person calling for Evatt's head in his first season

And definitely not after his first 3 games.

[Prufrock]

I think being able to pay players 4x the going rate has to feed into the equation somewhere, too.

Certainly what Birmingham are banking on. But it's backfired before....

And the rest, for them. They make Derby look like cheapskates.

[GhostoftheBok]

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

Warne was appointed 8 games into the 22/23 season.

I actually think he did a decent job at Derby and is a decent manager.

What he didn't do was perform well under the same circumstances as Evatt. When he had injuries his points haul went down.

He did a fantastic job at Rotherham, but again dropped off every time they had injuries and got very lucky in the covid season as his side were in decline - again, fans were starting to talk about sacking him.

March to April of his last League One campaign Warne lost a couple of key players. He went on a run of 1 win in 7.

He has a track record of being able to build very solid units that struggle when key injuries happen - so why would he have taken us up?

[GhostoftheBok]

And the rest, for them. They make Derby look like cheapskates.

Still spending and reportedly paying some of their lads nearly £1m a year.

Not sure how I'll react if they don't go up. There will be laughter, but I'll also be worried about their stability. It does sound like this is the last lot of money their owners are putting in unless they go up.

[Worthy4England]

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

Indeed, I can't remember a single person calling for Evatt's head in his first season

Did anyone? Dunno - I wouldn't be entirely surprised, our league position at the beginning of Jan wasn't great.

I don't recall too many of the "can't expect to be better than the money" group mentioning our budget vs say Cambridge (or probably Cheltenham too) who finished in front of us in L2 and saying Evatt should have gone for that shit performance against his relative budget. Must've forgot, eh? We still have two years ago, Plymouth and Barnsley showing lower numbers than us in their accounts in 2023 whilst finishing higher in the the league - surely he had to go with those two finishing above us? No? That year Pompey declared 7.3m to our 9m and we're being told they had more in salaries than us last season - that will have been a huge chunk higher than the year before.

Do we only mention this stuff when it works in Evatt's favour?

Injuries - only happen to us.
Transfer windows causing a bit of a headache - yup, only us too.
etc. etc.
Wrong sort of leaves on the line - that was British Rail, but you get the drift.

[BWFC_Insane]

Insano has liked Warne for a while

He has indeed, but that doesn't change the fact that Insane has laid out what is and isn't acceptable and called for much faster action sacking managers.

Sunderland, after all, would never put up with it.

Warne has fallen foul of almost all the things that Insane has said should trigger a sacking.

But, as you say, Insane likes him. So there we go.

This isn't an Evatt vs Warne issue - it's an Insane vs Insane issue.

I don’t like Warne. At all. He’s just an example of a manager who is experienced and has won promotion from
this league multiple times.

I wouldn’t pick him as manager. Plenty I’d choose above him.

Evatt has achieved very little in his managerial career and struggling to get Bolton out of league one after multiple goes is not something that I think many who are proven would struggle with.

[GhostoftheBok]

Do we only mention this stuff when it works in Evatt's favour?

No.

[GhostoftheBok]

I don’t like Warne. At all. He’s just an example of a manager who is experienced and has won promotion from
this league multiple times.

I wouldn’t pick him as manager. Plenty I’d choose above him.

Evatt has achieved very little in his managerial career and struggling to get Bolton out of league one after multiple goes is not something that I think many who are proven would struggle with.

Fair enough.

Evatt is a lower league manager who has definitely not earned his crack at elite football.

Wouldn't argue with that in the least.

[Worthy4England]

Do we only mention this stuff when it works in Evatt's favour?

No.

I think you might find there are sections of our fans that do just that. I don't recall too many people posting "12 operations, 10 long-term injuries, 6 players out for season - How luckless Portsmouth are defying the odds in League One promotion battle" in Feb last year and questioning why our super-fit squad wasn't way in front of them, I only recall bleating about our injuries and saying woe is me...

[GhostoftheBok]

I think you might find there are sections of our fans that do just that. I don't recall too many people posting "12 operations, 10 long-term injuries, 6 players out for season - How luckless Portsmouth are defying the odds in League One promotion battle" in Feb last year and questioning why our super-fit squad wasn't way in front of them, I only recall bleating about our injuries and saying woe is me...

Perhaps. I think you'll find I was talking about Derby's injury issues and that they'd get stronger once their injured players started to come back at the time. I also noted Pompey's injury issues and the excellent recruitment work they were doing to keep themselves going.

So if by "we" you meant "the people currently discussing this" then the answer is still no.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

Indeed, I can't remember a single person calling for Evatt's head in his first season

Did anyone? Dunno - I wouldn't be entirely surprised, our league position at the beginning of Jan wasn't great.

Yep. Loads. Including the usuals. I dare say they’ll be right eventually.

[GhostoftheBok]

Also worth noting that the article you cited notes that the injury list they provided did include youth team players, as well as this passage:

"Irrespective of the crippling injury list, Pompey’s wise decision to ‘overinflate’ their playing squad in January still leaves Mousinho with 22 players to choose from for Saturday’s trip to Carlisle."

When you say you don't recall people posting it, the article was discussed; because I remembered that passage enough to go looking for it. It came up when the "massive backing" in relation to Aaron Collins came up and we noted that was dwarfed by what Pompey were able to do. Mousinho said something like, "We're not taking any chances, just because we've started well."

Also noted on here was that Pompey used 30 first team players to our 25 - which probably factors into their being more robust. As does the money they spent.

Prior to their "overinflating" their squad (and acknowledging they were hugely increasing their budget) Pompey went on a run of 1 win in 6, because injuries do in fact matter. The fact that was their only bad run is exceptional, but it rather highlights that even the best suffer when injuries hit.

I think John Mousinho did a fantastic job and is a really, really talented manager. Pompey were one of the best drilled teams I've seen at this level and they had some players I really like (and DSB's old favourite Colby Bishop). The fact it's John's first ever job in management is amazing and he's really surprised me.

[officer_dibble]

Would you apply the same rules season 1 as season 5 at the same club? Dunno whether I would - probably not. Evatt has had three goes, this'll make 4. I'm not judging him by the same rationale I did in his first season in L1...

Indeed, I can't remember a single person calling for Evatt's head in his first season

Did anyone? Dunno - I wouldn't be entirely surprised, our league position at the beginning of Jan wasn't great.

Yep. Loads. Including the usuals. I dare say they’ll be right eventually.

I think we were all questioning if it was the right appointment when we got beat 6-3 at home to Port Vale! That Phoenix guy copped for some flack as well to be fair.